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Time to Evolve from Evolution (Saturbray)
www.brayincandy.com ^ | 2/2/13 | bray

Posted on 02/02/2013 9:30:30 AM PST by bray

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To: OneWingedShark
Your view that evolution and Jesus are at odds is contradicted by most religious organizations.
81 posted on 02/02/2013 1:36:56 PM PST by stormer
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To: Zeneta

Uh, OK. You still haven’t answered my questions about the Ica Stones.


82 posted on 02/02/2013 1:38:06 PM PST by stormer
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To: Zeneta

No, I didn’t know Mercedes was using it in a ad. As to the the use of reason and the big bang or as more recently expounded by scientists the Multible Big Bangs in progression, one either asks what was before or how many? I don’t have ultimate knowledge but I know infinity is only applicable in the abstract and cannot be a reality in “Beginnings.”


83 posted on 02/02/2013 1:40:41 PM PST by Kalam (<: The answer is 42 :>)
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To: stormer
Your view that evolution and Jesus are at odds is contradicted by most religious organizations.

So then you agree that evolutions states that man is not special, but merely an 'advancement' of former animal life?

84 posted on 02/02/2013 1:43:54 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Kalam

The difference seems to be between people that see the big picture vs. some of the parts.

Taken as a whole, Sympathy for the devil, is sarcasm. Commentary of you will. I think Morrison did the same thing with many of his songs. The attempt to provoke thoughtfulness ran headlong into the ease of selfishness.

Some would say that Jagger and Richards were great, the back beat with its roots in blues are really catchy.

Pick up a few words and roll with it.

Taken all together, that’s not on the table.


85 posted on 02/02/2013 1:45:33 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: OneWingedShark
I don't know that the ToE states that humans are not special; I'm special - you are too. All life is. Some is simply held in a higher regard than others, and the degree to which that regard varies is dependent on individual ethic.
86 posted on 02/02/2013 1:51:33 PM PST by stormer
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To: Moonman62

Because a religion without Jesus or God is atheism and versions of it. Who made you the arbitrator of religion?

Pray for America


87 posted on 02/02/2013 1:54:18 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: wintertime

WOW! Exactly the point!

Pray for America


88 posted on 02/02/2013 1:56:38 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: stormer
I don't need to answer your questions.

You need to answer your own:

http://www.livescience.com/26616-new-feathered-dinosaur-found.html

Researchers have discovered a new species of feathered but flightless little dinosaur from the Jurassic period.

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This birdlike dinosaur's plumage was much more reduced compared with the feathers on some of its contemporaries, which suggests that feathering was already diversified by the Late Jurassic, adapted to different ecological niches and purposes, the researchers said. (The Jurassic period lasted from about 199.6 million to 145.5 million years ago.)

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This birdlike dinosaur's plumage was much more reduced compared with the feathers on some of its contemporaries, which suggests that feathering was already diversified by the Late Jurassic, adapted to different ecological niches and purposes, the researchers said. (The Jurassic period lasted from about 199.6 million to 145.5 million years ago.)

"This discovery sheds further doubt on the theory that the famous fossil Archaeopteryx — or 'first bird' as it is sometimes referred to — was pivotal in the evolution of modern birds," researcher Gareth Dyke, a senior lecturer in paleontology at the U.K.'s University of Southampton, said in a statement.

"Our findings suggest that the origin of flight was much more complex than previously thought."

Basking with the arrogance of uncertainty

Knowing the unknown remains

a mystery

Faith in the future of discover

They create webs of complexity.

89 posted on 02/02/2013 2:08:24 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: Zeneta

Great videos. Great discussion when you get rid of the evolutionist thugs.

Pray for America


90 posted on 02/02/2013 2:10:56 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: OneWingedShark; bray
Hold on here guys ~ nobody's gettin' away with killing the redheads ~ we may be a minority but there's 300 million of us and we mostly live in America and we mostly got all the firearms!

So, kill some other minority ~ how's about Schroedinger's cats ~ gotta' be some of them left. Go kill those cats and don't come back bothering us about quantum notions of prefabricated and self assembling universes unless you got some new evidence!

91 posted on 02/02/2013 2:15:24 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: bray

I’d like to continue that discussion on this thread, since it was the point after all.

I do need to run out for a bottle of wine and some smokes before we get into it.


92 posted on 02/02/2013 2:16:43 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: OneWingedShark

BTW, the bacteria can pump copies of that ‘trait’ around so that all are protected ~ which kinda sorta cuts across the grain of the primary evolutionary thesis that we have a common origin. When it comes to bacteria EVERYBODY’s they’s daddy!


93 posted on 02/02/2013 2:17:49 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: OneWingedShark

BTW, the bacteria can pump copies of that ‘trait’ around so that all are protected ~ which kinda sorta cuts across the grain of the primary evolutionary thesis that we have a common origin. When it comes to bacteria EVERYBODY’s they’s daddy!


94 posted on 02/02/2013 2:18:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

You want to do Physics ?

let’s embrace uncertainty

Spooky action at a distance

Quantum entanglement

All of the CATS are left, don’t you know.

They never lived or died


95 posted on 02/02/2013 2:22:16 PM PST by Zeneta (Why are so many people searching for something that has already found us ?)
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To: muawiyah

Well they did actually try killing groups of people in Germany and Margaret Sanger’s Planned Abortionhood. It was purely planned evolution and still is.

Pray for America


96 posted on 02/02/2013 2:24:29 PM PST by bray (Welcome to Obamaville)
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To: stormer
I don't know that the ToE states that humans are not special; I'm special - you are too. All life is.

But I didn't ask if life [human or otherwise] wasn't special, I asked if Jesus saying that God created mankind "male and female" implies a special creation thereof.
The problem is that evolution states that humans are descended from lower animals, moreover the simplest of these animals are asexual -- so to derive from any asexual origin is mutually exclusive of being created "male and female" -- and therein lies the contradiction.

There are three things that evolution does not explain, and indeed can be seen as counterproofs:

  1. The transition of life from non-life,
  2. The development of sexual reproduction, and
  3. The complexity of cellular biology

You've stated that evolution doesn't make statements of where life started up-thread, and while I have heard enough of the evolutionist's explanation of life to disagree with you I'll not argue the first point. The second, though, is quite interesting because in biology there's a "rule" that complex/multi-cellular organisms have: that the organism needs to survive, and secondly the organism needs to reproduce; the second is always yielded to the first. this is why your own body will shut down reproduction-faculties when you're put into [long-term] stressful situations.

But more than that, sexual reproduction needs [at-least*] two members (of differing sex) -- if the sexual descendent of an asexual ancestor appeared it would need the complementary sexed organism to also appear (a) in its lifetime, and (b) in its geographical vicinity. Therefore, if evolution is at all uncommon the odds are simply against sexuality being developed: the more uncommon, the greater the odds against.

As to the complexity issue -- the cell is itself a marvel of molecular engineering; in fact, any government on earth would kill to have [under their control] the the micro-miniture technology in your cells (like nano-scale chemical factories) or even common bacteria (like molecular-motors). The complexity there is orders and orders of magnitude more complex than random-chance could allow for. Grab the game "Spacechem", which is a puzzle-game involving atomic-scale molecule-building and transport, and imagine that as "the tip of the iceburg" for what your cells are doing.

* -- I seem to recall reading about tri-sexual organisms, it might have just been sci-fi though.

97 posted on 02/02/2013 2:27:11 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: muawiyah
Hold on here guys ~ nobody's gettin' away with killing the redheads ~ we may be a minority but there's 300 million of us and we mostly live in America and we mostly got all the firearms!

LOL -- And close ties to the Irish. ;)

So, kill some other minority ~ how's about Schroedinger's cats ~ gotta' be some of them left. Go kill those cats and don't come back bothering us about quantum notions of prefabricated and self assembling universes unless you got some new evidence!

Prefabricated, self-assembling universes would show a LOT of thought, I should think.

98 posted on 02/02/2013 2:29:52 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: muawiyah
BTW, the bacteria can pump copies of that ‘trait’ around so that all are protected ~ which kinda sorta cuts across the grain of the primary evolutionary thesis that we have a common origin. When it comes to bacteria EVERYBODY’s they’s daddy!

True -- The leap from single- to multiple-celled organisms is also one which, I believe, is not adequately explained by the theory of evolution.

99 posted on 02/02/2013 2:31:43 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Zeneta
Oh wait, I thought that creationists thought that archaeopteryx was a fraud, and now you're telling me that it is proof that paleontologists don't know everything? Did you happen to read in the article where one of the scientists says they need to throw out everything they ever believed about evolution? No? Good, cause they didn't...
100 posted on 02/02/2013 2:37:36 PM PST by stormer
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