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Can the GOP pivot to a more libertarian position, bringing its actual positions into line with its pro-freedom rhetoric?

Or will it continue to slip into irrelevance?

1 posted on 02/06/2013 7:19:39 AM PST by fractionated
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Can the GOP pivot to a more libertarian position, bringing its actual positions into line with its pro-freedom rhetoric?

Freedom for what? Abortion? Gay marriage?

2 posted on 02/06/2013 7:21:58 AM PST by dirtboy
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I refuse to be part of a party that abandons the truth.

I certainly will not be part of one that wars against the truth, as the democrats do.

3 posted on 02/06/2013 7:22:28 AM PST by skeeter
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The GOP is not losing because of social issues.

It is losing because the GOP establishment has no clue how to win elections. The Bush brand of Republicanism ruined the party brand in the 2006 and 2008 elections. Tea Party conservatism is what put the GOP back in charge of the House and gave them a place at the table again. The GOP-E had their way in 2012 and managed to lose to about the weakest incumbent Dem in modern history.

So what is the lesson to these idiots? Why, more of the same of what loses elections. It used to only be Dem liberals that thought the answer to continued failure was to do even more of what is failing in hopes that it eventually succeeds. That malaise is now firmly rooted in the GOP establishment as well.

4 posted on 02/06/2013 7:26:47 AM PST by dirtboy
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As a party we need to boldly and unapologetically state the truths we know exist. Being watered-down Dems is not helping. It just drives away the conservatives and does not fool the Liberals who want 100% liberal.

A few silly statements by a few individuals is not the party line. Let’s get that straight, too.


6 posted on 02/06/2013 7:28:42 AM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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Being a real American (not AINO) is still fine w/this old jathead !!!!!

Semper American!
*****


7 posted on 02/06/2013 7:29:01 AM PST by gunnyg ("A Constitution changed from Freedom, can never be restored; Liberty, once lost, is lost forever...)
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“But”. There’s always a but.

Your position is rational and reasonable and morally superior to the position of our opponents, who advocate a position that would have been considered the ravings of a lunatic just 10 years ago

BUT


8 posted on 02/06/2013 7:29:20 AM PST by DManA (0 ye)
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We had a number of Republicans damage the brand this year with offensive and bizarre comments.

Candidates need to be coached on how to avoid the trap "gotcha" questions -- they don't need to abandon principles.

10 posted on 02/06/2013 7:31:49 AM PST by kevkrom (If a wise man has an argument with a foolish man, the fool only rages or laughs...)
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If you want to be taken seriously you need to start defending these articles you post.


11 posted on 02/06/2013 7:32:41 AM PST by skeeter
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The appeal for reform is coming from unexpected quarters within the GOP--including religious conservatives who appear to be moving toward a more libertarian view of the government’s role on same sex-marriage and other divisive social issues....

lol. That is a loser strategy. They will never get the lib vote but they will most assuredly lose the conservative vote.

12 posted on 02/06/2013 7:34:46 AM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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Pimping gay marriage and agreeing with Eugene Robinson about the NRA is no way to go through life, son.

But we do have some lovely parting gifts for you. A Milliom Mom's membership card and 100 free comments on Mark Morford's blog.

13 posted on 02/06/2013 7:36:36 AM PST by Admin Moderator
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We live in an environment where democrats can ask if the flag planted on Mars is still there, or they can muse on camera if all those human beings on Guam might cause the island to tip over.

But let a republican make a reference to “legitimate rape” or to anything else with which the leftists can inflame idiot women, and we get informed we’re the ones who must abandon all of our conservative principles.


16 posted on 02/06/2013 7:40:33 AM PST by Darnright ("I don't trust liberals, I trust conservatives." - Lucius Annaeus Seneca)
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Bu Bye Ron Paulian.


17 posted on 02/06/2013 7:40:38 AM PST by rbmillerjr (We have No Opposition to Obama's Socialist Agenda)
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Ping


19 posted on 02/06/2013 7:51:00 AM PST by ButThreeLeftsDo (FR: Now, More Than Ever.)
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You got the zot for that???

How interesting. Especially as there are hundreds of liberal FReepers that not only agree with you, but would argue that your comments are not liberal enough.

Tenure certainly matters here. My advice: Wait a while. Re-join under a new FReep name. Lay low. Make innocuous comments for a year or so. Then come back and make that same comment. You’ll be applauded.


20 posted on 02/06/2013 7:52:14 AM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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I’ll take irrelevance for $100.00, Alex.

What a great time to be a voter—You have a choice between Dem and Dem-Lite.


21 posted on 02/06/2013 7:53:32 AM PST by Arm_Bears (Ted Kennedy's Oldsmobile has killed more people than my guns.)
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Being liberated does not mean libertinism should be accepted.

Gay marriage is harmful. We need to NOT create laws which harm people.

One is not free to do everything one wishes...even in the most free country in the world. Rand Paul is echoing his father's libertarianism on this issue. Not helpful.

22 posted on 02/06/2013 7:56:55 AM PST by what's up
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What? You’re still alive here after bringing up the libertarian model?! I think those of the us in the (L) bent are the only ones whom still ‘under cover’ on this site, especially after the liberal Romney nomination. I suspect you’ll get pelted with the more ‘fringe’ monikers shortly enough.

Why, you should be fighting to (re)re-invigorate the GOP...from the inside. Never mind the same party has recently waged war on the TEA Party, given in all ‘pressing’ issues, increased the debt limit, fully funded O’Care/etc., called for strengthening SS/Medicare, etc., etc.

Nope, it’s the (L) that should be ridiculed, excluded and demeaned. I mean, they only want to: follow the Constitution, enforce the Rule of Law, get gov’t out of our lives, keep the U.S. out of policing the world let alone pushing ‘democracy’ across the globe. No, the (L) will focus, like a laser beam, upon gay marriage, weed and open borders from the get-go...So they are RIGHT out. I mean, it’s not like it’s the gov’t doesn’t have a role in any of the above, right!? To some (a lot) here, it’s all blah, blah, blah while they act like the RCA dog when leadership pushes Dem-lite policies.

For those of the board that doesn’t understand the above, that’s called sarcasm. If you continue to bow and lick the heel of the GOP, after having your nose shoved in the issues as above, I’m afraid there’s very little hope for opening your eyes....I’m sure the next Rino in line (Rubio?) will be more than willing to garner your vote, while the (L) tries to stem the tide of the fall of our Republic. He, for sure, isn’t going to push the Country back to the Right, if he showers platitudes at all!


26 posted on 02/06/2013 8:30:27 AM PST by i_robot73
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The GoP has refused to lead when it had a chance to,, multiple chances to lead, in fact,, and yet, they deserve more chances?

They promise to be more inclusive, electable.. while all they become is more detestable. imho.


29 posted on 02/06/2013 9:53:18 AM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi)
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“Or will it continue to slip into irrelevance? “

With rove and priebus running things, irrelevence would be the answer.


30 posted on 02/06/2013 10:12:44 AM PST by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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On same-sex marriage, an issue which libertarian-minded members of the GOP and younger voters think often breaks with the party orthodoxy, Mr. Norcross has similar advice.
Cultural Marxist, not libertarian. Homosexual marriage is about using the power of the state to persecute those who oppose gay marriage. This is has happened in Europe and Canada. Heck Catholic Charities was forced out of the adoption business in Massachusetts. What could be less libertarian?
31 posted on 02/06/2013 11:37:23 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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