Largest Gun Control Push in Minnesota History Started Today

NRA-ILA ^ | 02/05/13 | NRA-ILA

[TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed]

Today, the House Public Safety, Finance and Policy Committee began three days of hearings on multiple dangerous anti-gun bills. They have already heard testimony on House Files 237 and 240, and will hear House Files 238, 239 and others this evening. Please review the summaries below of the most egregious of these serious threats to our Second Amendment rights in Minnesota. Government officials would do better to focus on issues that would rationally address existing crime problems and empower the law-abiding public to protect themselves and loved ones than to target an entire class of people because it is politically popular at the moment.

Please contact all members of the House Public Safety Committee TODAY and urge them to oppose the following bills and any other gun control legislation. Thanks to the hundreds of Second Amendment supporters who showed up today in St. Paul to testify and show your support for our Right to Keep and Bear Arms. Your voice makes a difference!

Here is the link to contact all of the committee members:

http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/comm/committeemembers.asp?comm=88022

[TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed]

Here is what I sent each and every member of the committee:

NO! NO! NO! A THOUSAND TIMES NO!

NO NEW GUN LEGISLATION! NONE!

WE ARE LAW ABIDING CITIZENS.

LEAVE US ALONE!

I support the Second Amendment. Keep your hands off my constitutionally guaranteed right to protect myself and my family against tyrants like YOU.

"the right of the people to keep and bear arms SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED."

That means YOU! STOP!

NO NEW GUN LEGISLATION! NONE!

[TruthInThoughtWordAndDeed]

Here is the response I got today from one of the good guys.

Dear Friend,

I am a life member of the NRA and sponsor or co-sponsor of every major gun rights bill in the last 10 years.

I don’t plan on giving an inch in the upcoming battle to take away our constitutional rights. I believe this is a huge smoke screen coming up where the anti-gun people will throw everything but the kitchen sink at us in the way of gun control bills and then try to give a fake compromise solution to then go after the alleged “gun show” loophole, which really takes away our right to sell or trade guns privately to friends or family members without background checks and registration…

We need to fight against this and you can bet I will. Stay strong and come to the hearing on Feb 7th at 10 am in the State Office Building in St. Paul.

Thanks for your support,

Rep. Tony Cornish

Retired Law Enforcement Officer

[TurboZamboni]

If you own a semi-automatic firearm that can hold more than 7 rounds you will

1. Have to submit to another background check.
2. Register the firearm.
3. Safely and securely store the firearm.
4. Agree to allow the police to inspect the storage of the firearm.
5. Annually renew the registration, subject to the completion of a new background check.
6. Surrender any assault weapon you inherit or modify the weapon to render it inoperable.
HF 241 Assault weapons; crime established for manufacturing, transferring, or possessing assault weapons; existing assault weapon disposal or registration provided for; terms defined; data classified; language clarified; and penalties provided.
http://wdoc.house.leg.state.mn.us/leg/LS88/HF0241.0.pdf

To view bills 238-244
https://www.revisor.mn.gov/bills/status_result.php?body=House&search=basic&session=0882013&location=House&bill=238-244&bill_type=bill&rev_number=&submit_bill=GO&keyword_type=all&keyword=&titleword=

For more information
https://www.change.org/petitions/mn-gun-owners-vote-no-on-hf241-mn-assault-weapons-ban

Who Represents me?
http://www.gis.leg.mn/OpenLayers/districts/

MN Governor Marx Dayton
http://mn.gov/governor/contact-us/

[TurboZamboni]

HF0244 – Blame the Victim Short Description: Firearm loss or theft false report crime established, crime of transferring firearms to an ineligible person expanded, and a person convicted of these crimes made ineligible to possess a firearm. This bill would shift the blame from the criminal to the victim of a gun theft, and would actually make people less likely to report a theft. LOSE YOUR GUN, LOSE YOUR RIGHTS: Anyone that has misplaced, lost, or had a gun stolen knows how scary that is. This bill would criminalize those who “falsely” report their guns lost or stolen, slapping them with a gross misdemeanor charge, and the loss of their right to own a firearm.

This bill would have the opposite effect from the one intended. People would be reluctant to report their firearms lost or stolen, when they may have just been misplaced, because they don’t want to risk being charged with filing a false report. This means legitimately stolen guns could go unreported for a longer period of time, as law-abiding gun owners don’t want to lose their rights. BLAMES YOU FOR CRIMINAL’S ACTIONS: This bill also increases the liability on law abiding citizens and businesses who sell their firearms. Under current law, it is a crime to sell a firearm to someone you know is ineligible. This bill seeks to lower the threshold to “has reason to believe” the buyer is ineligible or intends to commit a crime. This is an incredibly subjective standard which can and will be used to blame people who made a sale in good faith. We cannot change the law to place the blame on victims of crime and innocent citizens.

http://www.gocra-mn.org/news/2013/02/hf238239-turning-guardians-into-felons/

This bill subsequently attacks your privacy, establishes de-facto gun registration, as well as weakens the MN permit to carry.

When applying for your permit to purchase, police officers can extend the processing time for up to 30 days (instead of the current 7 days) under the guise of “verifying your identity”.

Currently, your permit to carry acts as a 5 year “permit to purchase” for the transfer of firearms. If this bill becomes law, you will need to get a permit to purchase every 12 months, on top of your permit to carry. This is an unnecessary redundancy, as MN sheriffs must check the validity of your carry permit annually.

This bill intends to allow the government to know who, what, where, and when you transfer a firearm to another party by requiring you to process all transfers through a FFL federal dealer. The government will keep track of all sales, transfers, loans, and gifts outside of immediate family. Not only does this bill mandate that you involve a 3rd party in your private transaction, the government will have a say in the fees that are charged in a private transaction.

Planning on loaning your buddy your gun for deer opener? You’ll need to go to an FFL for loans over 24 hours.

http://www.gocra-mn.org/news/2013/02/hf0237-an-assault-on-due-process-and-privacy/ http://www.house.leg.state.mn.us/members/members.asp?id=10513

[usmom]

That is terrible. What the hell is wrong with these evil people. Seriously- how do they sleep at night?

[paratrooper82]

I stand with you and yours! Unfortunately, the fix is in on “gun control” so be prepared to fight back! Nothing you say in opposition to Minn. “gun control” is going to change what your socialist controlled States will pass to eventually confiscate all your firearms one firearm at a time or in socialist fascist speak “assault weapon.” The same is going on in Washington, the fix is in, the bill has already be submitted without the so called “assault weapon” ban included because the socialist fascist can't get that part thought the RINO’s. What the socialist fascist want right now is a federal data base to begin the process of collecting all intelligence on who owns what firearm and where that firearm is currently located. The socialist fascist will confiscate firearms only after they know where they are!

Stand strong in the face of this war on the American people! I will fight and die if necessary to defend the Constitutionally protected rights of every American,even if I am article 15 or court marshaled by the military for saying so!!!!!!

Eight Deuce on the loose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[jurroppi1]

This is where nullification comes into play. How many people do you think will actually submit to this egregious over-reach?

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[Gaffer]

That’s essentially told my conressman. If he votes on ANY new gun legislation whatsoever that adds any kind of additional restriction to owning a gun, I will vote against his sorry ass - he can count on it.

[ModelBreaker]

Technically, nullification occurs by the states against the federal government. When the state passes the law, nullification isn’t going to occur.

[mrmeyer]

Seriously- how do they sleep at night?

They probably sleep well.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”
C.S. Lewis.

[paratrooper82]

“How many people do you think will actually submit to this egregious overreach?”

If history is an indicator, approximately 1/3 will support King Obama and surrender their firearms to the federal government. Another 1/3 will hide their firearms from the federal government, really not interested in a confrontation with the jackbooted fascist, and another 1/3 will actively participate in action defending their firearm rights.

This was exactly the case during the American revolutionary war, 1/3 supported King George, another 1/3 did not care one way or the other, and 1/3 of Americans actively fought the war for freedom.

Eight Deuce on the loose!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Article10]

The NRA is useless and suffers from Beltway disease, which explains the Harry Reid support in 2010.

The NRA has blaha blhaha the same same since Clinton was in office

Time to fight on our terms and end this WAR on our rights. Time to make the firearms industry and NRA work for US!

Gun Control; Time to Fight

As consumers and 2nd Amendment advocates, we have to engage an economic boycott of all ammunition and firearms covering the entire State of NY; Citizens & Government while pulling an “Alinsky” Andrew Cuomo when executing the boycott. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rules for Radicals)

The embargo ends when the current NY Government agrees all NY State Citizens have a 2nd Amendment Right to own any quantity and all types firearms, those made 400 years ago and those to be made in the future!

How

The firearms industry from top to bottom completely terminate sales of a firearms and ammunition to all of NY State, citizens to Government to include the Federal Government offices in NY State till the State of NY recognizes the US Constitution and its own State Constitution starting on 12 February 2013.

To the Citizens aka Serfs in NY State

You will suffer till you elect representatives that respect the Constitutions. You made your bed, now go lie down in it! If you are a gun owner in NY you are a Serf, and it sucks to be you. If you are a believer
in Gun Control, great! Now your Government will have no guns too! NY Government can continue to prosecute the criminals without guns or ammunition.

To all Government in NY State

You want gun control for your Citizens and Taxpayers? Well the rest of us out here think that concept is flawed. The rest of the Country think you, the Government should be just as restricted or more so restricted than the law abiding taxpayer…….how do you like not having “Assault Rifles”, High Capacity Magazines or no Ammunition now? If it sucks for you Mr & Mrs. Government Employee in NY State……well it sucks to a NY State Citizen under the current laws too!

Respect your citizens/ taxpayer and Constitutions.

To Industry: Time to break the bully’s’ face

Andrew Cuomo and Elizabeth Warren will be running on the 2016 Democrat Presidential ticket. With record sales in other markets, there will be zero impact if all NY sales terminated tomorrow. If the NY State Government along with the SAFE act are not reigned in, this cancer will only spread. Time to fight the bully and make the bully understand in no uncertain terms, the 2nd Amendment is very important, has nothing to do with hunting and everything to do with citizens/sovereigns reigning in and eliminating out of control Government, foreign or Domestic.

To the Citizens of the “other 56” States

Call every manufacturer of ammunition and firearms and tell them to stand up to Andrew Cuomo and the NY State Government by completely boycotting all sales to NY State till the SAFE Act, Assault weapons ban and any other restrictions to firearms ownership are removed. Respect the 2nd Amendment or pay the consequences. Boycott NY State or we as consumers will boycott your company!

Federal Ammunition, Winchester/OLIN, FN USA, FN Herstal, Remington, Freedom Firearms Group, Colt, S&W, Glock, Lewis Machine Tool, Heckler & Koch, Sig-Sauer… etc.

Call the NRA and every other gun rights organization to support the industry boycott of NY State and make sure that Andrew Cuomo owns it!

Contact them all and tell them you support a NY State Firearms and Ammunition Boycott!

Andrew Cuomo

Mr. Cuomo owns this. Every Answer, every utterance about this initiative is his. This will end his chances for President in 2016.

When NY State Government Officials complain: ANSWER Call Andy…. When NYC Police Commissioner
Ray Kelly and NYC Mayor Bloomberg whines… ANSWER: Call ANDY! When the UN security teams in
NYC complain….. answer Andrew Cuomo…..When hunters in NY complain: ANSWER: Andrew Cuomo….. when non gun owners fear the “cops” will not be armed: ANSWER Andrew Cuomo. When any NY State Citizen comments, complains, or utters any thought about their safety: ANSWER Andrew Cuomo.

If it drags on and a NY Citizen or Police Officer is killed due to no training ammunition the answer is: Andrew Cuomo

When the news media runs a story explaining the criminals gangs think this boycott is great cuz the Po
Po ain’t gots noz bullets…. The answer is Andrew Cuomo

Andrew Cuomo is your fear, Andrew Cuomo is your pain, and Andrew Cuomo is your lack of security…..your lack of ammunition and firearms.. Governor Cuomo can heal that pain….

When Mr. Cuomo buckles: the left will hate him. The Left will punish him

NO negotiations, NO middle of the road,
Nothing but recognition of the Individual Taxpayers Rights to Firearms Ownership

When NY State Government recognizes the Rights of the Citizens, then and only then will sales resume

MAKE EVERY Gun Grabbing Democrat or Republican politician fear being “Coumo’d” by Taxpayers that believe in the Second Amendment.

The Common Sense Solution is already in place: Current NY State Constitution ARTICLE XII*
DEFENSE
[Defense; militia]
Section 1. The defense and protection of the state and of the United
States is an obligation of all persons within the state. The legislature
shall provide for the discharge of this obligation and for the maintenance and regulation of an organized.

For clarity and intent here is the original language from 1777

XL. And whereas it is of the utmost importance to the safety of every State that it should always be in a condition of defence; and it is the duty of every man who enjoys the protection of society to be prepared and willing to defend it; this convention therefore, in the name and by the authority of the good people of this State, doth ordain, determine, and declare that the militia of this State, at all times hereafter, as well in peace as in war, shall be armed and disciplined, and in readiness for service.

(just a small observation: As read, the citizens of NY State should be fully armed “the duty of every man” , not the NY State Government or any Employee that takes a pay check from TAX REVENUE. Right now, it is completely backwards! NY State should be more like Switzerland of 2012 and less like Nazi Germany of 1938.)

And

US Constitution 2nd Amendment, which by the way is now in been affirmed as incorporated and defined to protect the individual’s right to own firearms, via the Heller decision

If a citizen and Militia member in NY cannot own it, can neither a NY State Government Agency nor
Employee. That is common sense and that is the current Constitution!

Make Mr. Cuomo recognize that fact. See the rules below and start making Andy Cuomo’s political life painful or we will be dealing with him and his venal ilk in 2016!

Addendum:

The rules

RULE 1: “Power is not only what you have, but what the enemy thinks you have.” Power is derived from 2 main sources – money and people. “Have-Nots” must build power from flesh and blood.

How: NY State Boycott of all arms and ammunition, starting with NY State Government, local
Government and all NY State Citizens/Taxpayers/Serfs

RULE 2: “Never go outside the expertise of your people.” It results in confusion, fear and retreat. Feeling secure adds to the backbone of anyone.

We all know firearms and the Second Amendment. Time to say NO to the Bullies in NY State!

RULE 3: “Whenever possible, go outside the expertise of the enemy.” Look for ways to increase insecurity, anxiety and uncertainty.

NY State Government will be clueless on how to handle a boycott by Industry initiated by Taxpayers from the other “56” States.

RULE 4: “Make the enemy live up to its own book of rules.” If the rule is that every letter gets a reply, send 30,000 letters. You can kill them with this because no one can possibly obey all of their own rules.

No Rights to own Firearms for Citizens = No Rights, exemptions, or any other weasel language to possess
Firearms or ammunition for Government Employees anywhere in NY

If a NY State Citizen cannot buy the firearms/magazines/ammunition…. Nor can a Government Entity or
Government Employee in NY State

RULE 5: “Ridicule is man’s most potent weapon.” There is no defense. It is irrational. It is infuriating. It also works as a key pressure point to force the enemy into concessions.

Call Andrew Cuomo, he owns: your lack of Rights, your lack of security, or lack of ammunition or lack of firearms

RULE 6: “A good tactic is one your people enjoy.” They’ll keep doing it without urging and come back to do more.
They’re doing their thing, and will even suggest better ones.

For those of us outside of NY State: More product available and we end this gun control issue for a while

For those in NY State: Think of this as Chemo-therapy for gun control cancer; the process is not very enjoyable, but the results of killing off the gun control cancer are worth it.

Enjoy watching the NY State bureaucrats squirm and fuss

Enjoy watching the anti- gun types freak when the Government is not armed either! Que Mike Bloomberg, NY Police Union types and the UN idiots “guns for our security now! While leaving the taxpayers un-armed”

ENJOY ANDREW COUMO GET POUNDED ON ALL SIDES and watch his 2016 chances go away!

RULE 7: “A tactic that drags on too long becomes a drag.” Don’t become old news.

Start this MONTH, it won’t last long!

Abe Lincoln took on slavery, so let us free taxpayers that enjoy firearms and the 2nd Amendment from being treated like Dred Scott honor Mr. Lincoln and start the BOYCOTT on 12 February 2013!

Call or e-mail every manufacturer of firearms and ammunition and demand they BOYCOTT all sales to NY STATE! Call and/or e-mail the NRA, NSSF, and SAMMI and demand they support a BOYCOTT of all firearms and ammunition to NY State to begin on February 12, 2013 starting with the NY State Government due to ANDREW Cuomo!

RULE 8: “Keep the pressure on. Never let up.” Keep trying new things to keep the opposition off balance. As the opposition masters one approach, hit them from the flank with something new.

The Boycott Ends when LAWS are repealed, not amended, not replaced…REPEALED and Law Abiding
Citizens & Taxpayers RIGHTS are recognized

RULE 9: “The threat is usually more terrifying than the thing itself.” Imagination and ego can dream up many more consequences than any activist.

NOT A THREAT. DEMAND a total BOYCOTT and make sure Andrew Cuomo owns it!

RULE 10: “The major premise for tactics is the development of operations that will maintain a constant pressure upon the opposition.” It is the unceasing pressure that will result in the reaction of the opposition that is essential for the success of the campaign.

The enraged Parties such as the NY State Police, Local Police, Government Employee Unions and finally
Citizens/Serf will be plenty of pressure on Mr. Cuomo.

RULE 11: “If you push a negative hard enough, it will push through and become a positive.” Violence from the other side can win the public to your side because the public sympathizes with the underdog.

Common Sense will prevail

RULE 12: “The price of a successful attack is a constructive alternative.” Never let the enemy score points because you’re caught without a solution to the problem.

No Compromise: The answers & solutions are already in place, the NY State Constitution and the US Constitution

RULE 13: “Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it.” Cut off the support network and isolate the target from sympathy. Go after people and not institutions; people hurt faster than institutions.

ANDREW COUMO

[Logical me]

All members of this push for gun control are hard core communists wanting to destroy your freedom. This is the crux of the move to destroy our Constitution and turn America into a dictatorship controlled by the insane.

[TurboZamboni]

They’re inner-city democrats. It’s what they do.

Specifically Paymar AKA “pay more” and Hausman.

[Yosemitest]

Quote from the founding fathers.

The United States Citizens KNOW that they're going to have to fight TYRANTS in their own government.
You cannot protect life, without the ability to take life.

While you are WAITING for the police to respond, someone could be losing their life.
All people of a responsible age should be armed.

As EternalVigilance reminded us:

The Second Amendment IS Pro-Life.

"Among the natural rights of the Colonists are these:
First, a right to life;
Secondly, to liberty;
Thirdly, to property;
together with the right to support and defend them in the best manner they can.
These are evident branches of, rather than deductions from, the duty of self-preservation,
commonly called the first law of nature...
In short, it is the greatest absurdity to suppose it in the power of one, or any number of men, at the entering into society,
to renounce their essential natural rights, or the means of preserving those rights;
when the grand end of civil government, from the very nature of its institution, is for the support, protection, and defence of those very rights;
the principal of which, as is before observed, are Life, Liberty, and Property.
If men, through fear, fraud, or mistake, should in terms renounce or give up any essential natural right, the eternal law of reason and the grand end of society would absolutely vacate such renunciation.
The right to freedom being the gift of God Almighty,
it is not in the power of man to alienate this gift
and voluntarily become a slave."




-- Samuel Adams, The Rights of the Colonists

Click here to read the 12 page pamphlet.

Let us NEVER FORGET THAT !

Let's subjugate them to OUR end game, DUST!
"COMPROMISE" is a DIRTY word!
People who study the Bible know that COMPROMISE almost always leads to destruction.


It's time to mock the "Gun Control" Zombies!
"Gun Control" is a firm grip, steady breathing, accurate aim (developed by lots of practice), and a slow trigger pull.


The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
We need to learn from the Swiss and implement their "gun control measures" here in the United States right now, today!
These laws are the ones we should shove into the "2nd Amendment Haters" faces.

" Today, military service for Swiss males is universal. At about age 20, every Swiss male goes through 118 consecutive days of recruit training in the Rekrutenschule. ...

Even before required training begins, young men and women may take optional courses with the Swiss army's M57 assault rifle.
They keep that gun at home for three months and receive six half-day training sessions.

From age 21 to 32, a Swiss man serves as a "frontline" troop in the Auszug, and devotes three weeks a year (in eight of the 12 years) to continued training.
From age 33 to 42, he serves in the Landwehr (like America's National Guard); every few years, he reports for two-week training periods.
Finally, from ages 43, to 50, he serves in the Landsturm; in this period, he only spends 13 days total in "home guard courses."

Over a soldier's career he also spends scattered days on mandatory equipment inspections and required target practice.
Thus, in a 30-year mandatory military career, a Swiss man only spends about one year in direct military service.
Following discharge from the regular army, men serve on reserve status until age 50 (55 for officers).

By the Federal Constitution of 1874, military servicemen are given their first equipment, clothing and arms.
After the first training period, conscripts must keep gun, ammunition and equipment an ihrem Wohnort ("in their homes") until the end of their term of service.

Today, enlisted men are issued M57 AUTOMATIC assault rifles and officers are given pistol.
Each reservist is issued 24 rounds of ammunition in sealed packs for emergency use.
(Contrary to Handgun Control's claim that "all ammunition must be accounted for," the emergency ammunition is the only ammo that requires accounting.)

After discharge from service, the man is given a bolt rifle free from registration or obligation.
Starting in the 1994, the government will GIVE ex-reservists assault rifles. Officers carry pistols rather than rifles and are given their pistols the end of their service.

When the government adopts a new infantry rifle, it sells the old ones to the public.

Reservists are encouraged to buy MILITARY ammunition
(7.5 and 5.6mm-5.56 mm in other countries-for rifles and 9 and 7.65 mm Luger for pistols)
which is sold AT COST by the government, for target practice .
Non-military ammunition for long-gun hunting and .22 Long Rifle (LR) ammo are not subsidised, but are subiect to NO sales controls.
Non-military non-hunting ammunition more powerful than .22 LR (such as .38 Spl.) is registered at the time of sale.

Swiss military ammo must be registered IF bought at a private store, BUT NEED NOT BE REGISTERED IF bought at a range.
The nation's 3,000 shooting ranges sell the overwhelming majority of ammunition.
Technically, ammunition bought at the range must be used at the range, but the rule is barely known and almost never obeyed.

The army SELLS a variety of machine guns, submachine guns, anti-tank weapons, anti-aircraft guns, howitzers and cannons.
Purchasers of these weapons require an EASILY OBTAINED cantonal license, and the weapons are registered.
In a nation of six million people, there are at least two million guns, including 600,000 FULLY AUTOMATIC assault rifles, half a million pistols, and numerous machine guns.
Virtually every home has a gun.

Besides SUBSIDIZED military surplus, the Swiss can buy other firearms easily too.
While long guns require NO special purchase procedures, handguns are sold only to those with a Waffenerwerbsschien (purchase certificate) issued by a cantonal authority.
A certificate is issued to every applicant over 18 who is not a criminal or mentally infirm.

There are NO restrictions on the carrying of long guns.
About half the cantons have strict permit procedures for carrying handguns, and the other half have NO rules at all.
There is NO discernible difference in the crime rate between the cantons as a result of the different policies.

Thanks to a lawsuit brought by the Swiss gun lobby, semi-automatic rifles require NO PURCHASE PERMIT and are NOT registered by the government.
Thus, the ONLY long guns registered by the government are FULL AUTOMATICS."

The Swiss have got it CORRECT !
Let's adopt THEIR LAWS !

Remember:

The beauty of the Second Amendment is
that it will not be needed
until they TRY to take it.

Read Second Amendment: It’s Not About Hunting, IT'S ABOUT TYRANNY .

[Redleg Duke]

The libs gotta protect their base, the illegals for Somalia et al.

After all, what would this world come to if citizens were able to defend themselves and their property?

[Dead Corpse]

Re-read Art 6 Paragraph 2 again. Then re-read the Second Amendment.

Pay attention to the "laws of any State to the contrary notwithstanding" and "shall not be infringed" parts.

[353FMG]

http://dailycaller.com/2012/07/02/congressmen-urge-the-un-to-trample-the-us-constitution/

[jurroppi1]

There are a few forms of nullification... the kind you speak of that is specifically related to state sovereignty and then there is they type where the people refuse to obey stupid, illogical and obviously unconstitutional law. Call it civil disobedience if you like, but in the end it has the same effect (just like in Canada).

The people, through ignoring and not bowing to idiotic laws nullify the law through the states’ inability to pursue all of the newly minted “offenders”.

What guns?