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Is Obama Pushing for a Civil War?
Capitol Hll Outsider ^ | 2/8/2013 | JB Williams

Posted on 02/08/2013 4:50:28 AM PST by IbJensen

Over the last four years, the Obama administration has violated nearly every Article of the US Constitution and every Amendment in the Bill of Rights. They have worked to ignite racial tensions, class warfare, religious confrontations and political divisions far worse than those that led to the first American Civil War.

Over 70% of Americans oppose ObamaCare… so of course, Obama rammed ObamaCare through in an unprecedented misuse of executive power that shut out the entire legitimate legislative process, as spineless Republicans sat quietly on their hands watching it all happen. The people said “no more deficit spending…and no more raising the debt ceiling…” so, Obama ignored the debt ceiling and ran up the federal debt by more than 60% in one term.

The ideological divide in America is not only deeper than ever in history, it is now galvanized. With the leftist gun grab underway, the moment when push comes to shove is fast approaching.

Since his second stolen election, Obama and his Marxist minions are doing all they can to ignite civil disobedience from more than half of the nation’s population. But are the new American Marxists pushing for much more than civil disobedience?

As Obama attempts to disarm law-abiding Citizens despite Second Amendment rights, he is arming known terrorists all over the globe. His mindless minions are insulting more than 70% of Americans and threatening to “kick their asses again” on the basis that most Americans still believe in those dusty old concepts recorded in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights.

Lawyers trained not in law or the constitution, but rather in rules of procedure and precedence, by yesterday’s draft-dodgers turned law professors, are telling the American people that the Constitution and Bill of Rights are themselves “unconstitutional.”

Obama wants to control everything down to school lunches, individual medical care, what kind of cars we can drive, who can own a weapon and what kind, attacking cigarette smokers while trying to legalize, regulate and tax marijuana, as his fellow Marxists discuss how to “re-educate” Citizens that just don’t want to go along to get along.

If you hadn’t noticed that you woke up in pre-world war Germany yet, it’s only because your city has not yet experienced Obama’s Urban Warfare Training of the US Military. An Obama Justice Department Memo approves the use of Drone Attacks on US Citizens and reports of Military Officers leaving service because they refused to confirm that they will follow orders to fire on US Citizens are increasing.

If Obama really thinks he is going to seize control of citizens’ private 401ks to pay for his international Marxist movement – he is going to need more than a few lawyers and soldiers to do it. Clearly, Obama thinks that HE is the Supreme Law of this Land.

For more than 230 years, Americans have revered the most fundamental protections of freedom and liberty, their Bible, their Constitution and their guns. Under the Obama administration, this is now the new operative definition of “domestic terrorist.” According to Obama’s DOJ, they now have the right to use Drone attacks on these “terrorists” just like the Drone attacks used to kill terrorists in Pakistan.

This is either the strangest set of anti-American coincidences in human history, or something wicked this way comes… Even Father of American Socialism FDR got it right once…

“As a matter of fact and law, the governing rights of the States are all of those which have not been surrendered to the National Government by the Constitution or its amendments.”

Individually, each of these documented events is highly troublesome in the Land of the once Free and Home of the once Brave. But combined, it all adds up to the Obama administration and their Marxist minions working around the clock to shove America into a second Civil War.

Is there any other way to see it?

As Obama and his international leftist friends drive the nation deeper and deeper into economic insanity, trillions of dollars in public debt that American productivity can never pay, a collapse of our entire economy is imminent. It’s just a matter of what day they decide to stop propping it all up with baseless money printed up in the backroom, no more valuable than monopoly money.

How can a nation hooked on adult cartoons and porn, that now tunes into Comedy Central for the latest “news” possibly combat what is clearly happening here?

I believe that a Civil War is coming alright… but this time, it won’t be North vs. South, East vs. West or even Republican vs. Democrat. It won’t be the 99% average Americans vs. the 1% super-rich either, nor will it be white vs. black or Christian vs. atheist. It won’t be Americans against their own military either.

It will be ALL Americans, including their military, against the Marxist anti-Americans destroying America, which means politicians, their lawyers and their leftist minions in the press. I wouldn’t want to be them when they finally succeed in pushing the nation to internal war.

Politicians, their lawyers and their minions in the press are NOT the kind of people that go to war. They are only the kind of people that order other people to war. When “other folks” refuse orders to go to war on their own citizens, their families, their friends, the people issuing those orders will be standing bare naked on the front lines and nobody will be able to save their sorry asses from the wrath of the American people.

Most Americans have never known anything but freedom and liberty. As a result, they take it all for granted on most days. But when threatened, the redneck nature in every American shows up, and redneck is not a region in the country, it’s a bad attitude towards all who would threaten our freedom.

This land is our land… remember?

This land is your land, this land is my land

From California, to the New York Island

From the redwood forest, to the gulf stream waters

This land was made for you and me

Every State Constitution begins with words very similar to this –

“That all power is inherent in the people, and all free governments are founded on their authority, and instituted for their peace, safety, and happiness; for the advancement of those ends they have at all times, an unalienable and indefeasible right to alter, reform, or abolish the government in such manner as they may think proper.” – Tennessee Constitution

The federal constitution, a compact between the states that creates and governs the federal government (not the people) at all times, begins as follows…

“We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”

The politicians don’t rule the people, as all power is inherent in the people, not their government.

The US Military has not sworn an allegiance to any politician or political agenda. They are sworn to protect and preserve the US Constitution, the Bill of Rights and the people of the United States, against all enemies, foreign and domestic – even those who manage to seize control of the people’s White House and attempt to use the power of the people’s resources, against the people.

If Obama and his Marxist friends want a war in American streets, they are going to get one. Sooner or later, the American people will accept Obama’s many invitations to war.

The American people have nothing to fear but fear itself, because if and when American Marxists push this fight into the streets, the enemies of freedom will find themselves greatly outnumbered and ill-prepared for the people they have so foolishly underestimated.

No sane American wants to see our differences settled this way… But as Democrat John F. Kennedy said so well – “Those who make peaceful revolution impossible, make violent revolution inevitable.”

Read this as a warning to all who think they will rob American’s of their individual freedoms and liberties. Don’t misinterpret peaceful patience for cowardice or any form of consent. When the people have had enough, they will put down this evil and make an example of those who have forced this fight upon them.

The people have nothing to fear…. But politicians, lawyers and media minions sure do. They had better come to their senses before it’s too late.

The Constitutional Representative Republic will be defended. Any American blood that is shed in defense of the Republic will be on the hands of those who have forced this war upon the people.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; War on Terror
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To: cripplecreek

Exactly. So. Well said.


61 posted on 02/08/2013 6:57:17 AM PST by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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To: IbJensen

It’s the Cloward and Piven strategy - collapse the civil society and come in and remake it into a socialist paradise - doing whatever you need to do in the process (think hollow-tipped bullets).

I have no doubt this is their plan. We’ve got to stand strong no matter what.

http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/Articles/theclowardpivenstrategypoe.html


62 posted on 02/08/2013 6:58:56 AM PST by madmominct
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To: IbJensen

I blame the media more than anyone else. They have completely gone over to the dark side. They no longer deserve their 1st Amendment protections as they have usurped their role as the 4th Estate watchdogs of our Republic, and have become the 5th column communist accomplices to our marxist led government. The media cannot be one-sided in a free society if that society is to remain free. The nation appears to be equally divided, our half mostly pays for the other. We buy the newspapers and other media products more so than the welfare recipient supporting Obama. We can, and should, change that! Cancel your subscriptions, stop supporting Hollywood and their leftist agenda, let their cronies support them. We can make a difference. The media must be figuratively “burned to the ground” so that a new, honest, and truthful media can arise from the ashes. I’m not calling for violence, or vandalism, or arson, but if push comes to shove, and the various scenarios outlined in the posts above come to fruition, then the media must be included when it’s time to take out the trash.


63 posted on 02/08/2013 6:59:15 AM PST by derSchurfer (When the Rule of Law is ignored good citizens will take the law into their own hands.)
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To: varon

Agreed, we’re on the same page, my expression was used in the context of what would be done in the case of a deranged, rabid animal, IOW, lights out, Amigo. After all, they deserve no better than the “Il Duce” treatment.


64 posted on 02/08/2013 7:00:08 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: JCBreckenridge

Christ. It wasn’t stolen. Stolen implies that the RINOs wanted to win.


By “stolen”, I meant both parties conspired and stole it from the American people to “save” us.


65 posted on 02/08/2013 7:07:43 AM PST by cuban leaf (Were doomed! Details at eleven.)
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To: kjo

Agreed, and his lapdog media will be supportive all the way. His plans are evident, thus the perpetual campaign to be thought of as “our daddy.”


66 posted on 02/08/2013 7:09:38 AM PST by izzatzo
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To: IbJensen
Is Obama Pushing for a Civil War?


67 posted on 02/08/2013 7:10:53 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Texas resident
baraq and his fellow travellers are setting the table for either a terrorist attack or a financial crisis to have a crisis to take advantage of.

CORRECT! They need a widespread calamity so it'll probably be the financial meltdown but either will do for their purposes and actually BOTH may happen. As an added benefit they can point to either crisis and place blame elsewhere...those dirty rotten terrorists or those evil greedy bankers.
68 posted on 02/08/2013 7:26:16 AM PST by 762X51
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To: justice14; kjo
They don't have to change anything for Obama to run for a third term because the way of the criminal class now is to disregard the Constitution and do whatever they like until the Supreme Court tells them they can't. If the Court doesn't tell them they can't, as was the case with Obamacare, they then claim what they did was constitutional all along. Meanwhile, as things are working their way through the legal system, the initial action stays in effect.

With that in mind, Obama will simply announce he's running for a third team with the RATS and the media firmly supporting him. Then it will be up to someone on our side to challenge the constitutionality of what he's doing, but again, while that goes through the courts, Obama's reelection effort will be going full speed ahead.

It's horrible to contemplate that we have come to a point where this is not crazy talk.

69 posted on 02/08/2013 7:51:30 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Dahoser

Libs are big on “I know it says that, but...”

The only man that could say that with any legitimacy was nailed to a cross a couple thousand years ago.


70 posted on 02/08/2013 7:56:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: cripplecreek

“I’ve come to realize that conservatives could never form a cohesive resistance. Too many self declared generals demanding respect for themselves while holding an antagonistic attitude toward those in positions of authority now.”

Well said, but can you say more about this?

I ask, because I’ve come here to FR off and on since the Clinton years - mostly for the summary of the news, and partly for some of the humor, but certainly not for any sense of community or united purpose.

The level and frequency of rigid, self-righteous nastiness expressed here between members is really quite amazing - especially as things begin to unwind in the country. There is very little unity of purpose or proposed methods in these dark times, and few even remotely friendly discussions.

The place seems largely populated by temperamental lone wolves and a number of little cliques, mostly, although at times large gangs of bullies will also coalesce to enforce the prevailing, approved viewpoints. This seems not to bode well for the likes of us forming a “cohesive resistance” when the time comes. There are almost none here I would want to lead me when the time comes, and only a handful I’d want by my side.

Maybe it is also like this on Leftist sites online, and maybe on other Conservative sites as well - but that’s not been my impression. That the inability to unite for a common cause may simply be peculiar to this site, and the fact that my Conservative friends and neighbors in real life seem to be better able to do so, seems encouraging to me. Perhaps what happens here is merely a skewed sampling error, born of the “self-declared generals” and other sorts attracted to this particular site. I hope so.

I’d appreciate your further thoughts. The time will certainly come soon when we shall all need to hang together, so not to all hang separately.


71 posted on 02/08/2013 7:59:41 AM PST by dagogo redux (A whiff of primitive spirits in the air, harbingers of an impending descent into the feral.)
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To: Dahoser

He won’t run a third term. Guarentee it. It will be floated by liberal idiots, but nothing more than that.


72 posted on 02/08/2013 7:59:47 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: IbJensen

Is Obama Pushing for a Civil War? Read & decide:

http://www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/52923


73 posted on 02/08/2013 8:03:09 AM PST by Road Warrior ‘04 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: justice14
He won’t run a third term. Guarentee it.

That doesn't mean he'll go away. Democrats never just leave the stage like Republican Presidents do.

74 posted on 02/08/2013 8:03:47 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: Resolute Conservative
Their best weapon is the IRS and the stupid Cloud technology where they can just seize any financial account they want by a key stroke.

IMHO, cloud technology is not stupid. In fact, it's brilliant. At last, everything is in one convenient place. Easy pickins.

Again IMHO, the cloud, facebook, linkedin, pinterest, etc. are evil and should be studiously avoided by anybody wishing to have some freedom in the coming years.

75 posted on 02/08/2013 8:25:10 AM PST by upchuck (America's at an awkward stage. Too late to work within the system, too early to shoot the bastards.)
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To: justice14

He won’t run again.
Won’t have to.
He just won’t leave.
And who will make him?
Who is making him stay within the law now?
These people are operating completly outside the law and have no intention of starting now or when the second term is up.


76 posted on 02/08/2013 8:28:09 AM PST by Texas resident (I'm not a lawyer, but I play one on FR)
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To: Texas resident

If Obama tries a power grab like that, you are right, the Media will praise him and the ‘bots will do nothing.

No Chin McConnell and The Tanned Weeper would not be able to do a damn thing, especially with Holder, China, Iran, Venezuela and Russia being given a pass.

Obama, like his Dad, is a Muslim Marxist, determined to bring the Caliphate to the USA. He uses our laws and immigration against Americans, especially us bitter clingers.

SWAT teams, drones, satellites, cameras, databases, limiting ammo, registration lists...SmartMeters...they can cull a lot of people, very quickly.

The read all these emails, posts and tweets...

Soros, Axelrod, Plouffe, Jarrett, Holdren, Sunstein, Powers, Duncan, Rahm, etc. want us broke, starving, disarmed and really, just dead.


77 posted on 02/08/2013 8:54:41 AM PST by wac3rd (Somewhere in Hell, Ted Kennedy snickers....)
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To: upchuck

Software engineer by trade.

I disagree. It might work for smaller companies that cannot afford the infrastructure cost for hosting their own data servers (start ups too) but unless you have a live back-up with fail-over capabilities you are cooked if there is a massive failure at your off-site data store or any comm center in between you and the store. Case and point Amazon a few weeks ago, people thought the sky was falling and for those types that are totally clouds it was. In the case of a major country wide incident how do you expect to recover when the power does come back when the incident has permanently or semi-permanently disrupted digital comms (EMP, civil war, natural catastrophe). If you don’t physically have your data, you don’t have it, period. Then having it does you no good if you don’t have the hardware to restore it to and get back up and running. What happens when your trusted off site had a employee embezzle and cause it to shut its doors or an incident like a work place shooting and the doors are locked?

Not to mention the security hassles. You want to bet on who is mining your data? The government is a given.

The cloud was implemented to put more control on who is accessing software and not paying for it. It has facilitated the off shoring of development (don’t get me started on this on how it cost more in the long run in crappy code).

Most times simple is better. Host it yourself. If needed you can make your network secure by simply unplugging it from the external connection until breaches are addressed.


78 posted on 02/08/2013 9:19:54 AM PST by Resolute Conservative
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To: Texas resident

No one, but He won’t stay in office. You don’t think the American public will wonder where the elections are, come Nov? Seriously? If you are serious, then I completely disagree.


79 posted on 02/08/2013 9:58:39 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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To: dfwgator

I agree with this. He won’t go away. But He won’t be President a 3rd term.


80 posted on 02/08/2013 9:58:58 AM PST by justice14 ("Christ is Victorious" / @rjustice21)
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