Posted on 02/10/2013 7:33:18 AM PST by SeekAndFind
Edited on 02/10/2013 7:35:11 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
JUDY WOODRUFF, PBS NEWSHOUR: Well, bring it back home, and talking about politics, pure politics, inside the Republican Party, David, it looks like there are some -- we have seen some evidence of this, but now it looks like it's more out in the open, that some of the traditional -- folks we thought of as being traditional leaders of the Republican Party are openly challenging the Tea Party.
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Agreed!
Honestly, I have more contempt and loathing for the Establishment Elites than I do for anybody.
One of these fine days he'll OD for good.
“If so, they win by losing. We saw a lot of people stay home in 2012, and that will only grow if the party ignores conservative principles.”
My sentiment exactly. I did not stay home, but I WILL NOT vote for a Republican candidate again while I hold my nose. If they defeat the conservatives - which they prefer to call Tea Party - I predict a mass exodus from the GOP among my friends and family.
“If so, they win by losing. We saw a lot of people stay home in 2012, and that will only grow if the party ignores conservative principles.”
My sentiment exactly. I did not stay home, but I WILL NOT vote for a Republican candidate again while I holding my nose. If they defeat the conservatives - which they prefer to call Tea Party - I predict a mass exodus from the GOP among my friends and family.
Mr. Creased Pant Leg has no credibility ... “I remember distinctly an image of--we were sitting on his couches, and I was looking at his pant leg and his perfectly creased pant,” Brooks says, “and I’m thinking, a) he’s going to be president and b) he’ll be a very good president.”
Reagan was forced to take GHWBush by the GOPe. They (the GD Yankee Rooozzzevelt Repubs) had tried to force GHWB on Nixon...it’s all there in the History books.
He should have told them all to go jump in the Detroit River. After all, he had handily defeated Bush, the the GOPe's candidate, in the primaries. Had Reagan picked as his running mate Sen Paul Laxalt (R-Nev.), whom it is said that he really wanted, the name Bush would only be known today among collectors of political campaign buttons.
“They cannot win an election without US.
“So, who needs who?
“Either they represent us, the conservative voting element, or they go the way of the Whig Party. There are no other options.”
That’s the problem with establishment Republicans, and it has been that way since Rockefeller and Lodge. They don’t want to win nationally and don’t need to. They just need to keep themselves and a few of their milksop cronies in office to keep the gravy train rolling. They don’t want anything disturb their comfortable club.
I agree that they need to go the way of the Whigs. I posted that somewhere on here a couple of weeks ago.
Let’s get a movement started.
He’s welcome to his opinion, but here’s how it plays out if he’s right:
1) The Establishment chooses the candidates, and the conservatives stay home. With that, we are left with 150 House seats and roughly 40 Senate seats (10 of them RINOs). The presidency stays with the Dems (as we know Establishment candidates simply cannot draw from the other sise).
2) The Tea Party breaks off and forms a Third Party. The Dems stay unified and again win supermajories, as above, and keep the presidency, as above.
So which outcome is better for the country, David?
Because he had people like Rumsfeld who convinced him he needed a squishy moderate (George Bush the elder) on the ticket. When I saw Bush’s response (or really, non-response) to the pony-tail guy who asked about government as daddy, I knew it was all over. The Bush moderates have held sway over the party ever since.
I’m not sure you want an answer from the likes of me; you seem to already know or think you know the answers anyway.
But, for the sake of hypotheticals; yes, cut Medicare benefits. I’ll pay for my annual NP checkup and lab tests - all of it. - I already pay for ALL my prescriptions. - Cut my SS check as much as necessary to repay this ungodly, irresponsible mountain of debt Obama and Congress have loaded on us. - The “Tea Party” caught on that Obama’s buddies - Code Pink, Occupy Wall Street and the World - was staging unruly, violent rallies and blaming it on the Tea Party (a more decent crowd you couldn’t ask for than the Tea Party; although Nazi Pelosi accused them of waving Nazi flags). So, the lines between peaceful, orderly Tea Party rallies got blurred with Obama’s “activists” rallies. - Social Security is NOT an “entitlement”. Cut the Obamaphones and other real entitlements to freeloaders who refuse to work and have never contributed a dime to this venture and the problem will take care of itself.
Good for you! We have one person now publicly calling for a cut in current Medicare benefits. Can you think of one politician in this country, Democrat or Republican, Tea Party or RINO, who is specifically calling for a cut in current Medicare benefits?
Social Security is NOT an “entitlement”
It is considered by most to be the grandpapa of all entitlement programs.
My only point is that the Tea Party activists were motivated to oppose Obamacare. The signs and speeches castigated Obamacare. I don't remember seeing any Tea Party signs or hearing any Tea Party speeches calling for cuts in current Social Security or Medicare benefits. And, until those benefits are either cut or eliminated entirely, we will continue to experience huge deficits and higher taxes.
I am hopeful that someday we can get the government out of health care entirely. I don't see that happening anytime soon, though, and it's certainly not going to happen so long as this current crop of seniors is still alive and allowed to vote.
Your problem is NOT senior voters, rather it’s the “young, hip, and smart” Obama voter, living off student loans and credit cards; the illegal voter faction gaming the system and thinking they deserve it by virtue of their specialness, and, of course, black voters - victims of LBJ’s “Waw on Poverty”.
I think you’ve got it confused; senior voters generally vote Conservative, when they have a truly Conservative candidate to vote for. Many of them could still fend for themselves if they had to; but we have skin in the game, a lifetime of skin in the game. Congress members know that they have basically stolen the money seniors and their employers have paid in to BUY VOTES with freebies to freeloaders. - I think you’ll find if you look hard enough that a big part of the problem is freeloaders who think they’re so cute they deserve a free ride. The “baby boomers” were young once and paid into a system that Al Gore assured us was in a “lockbox” and in a “trust” and would draw interest and be there for us when we could no longer pay taxes to support the grandmas and grampas of today’s youth (who have, incidentally, since died). But, again, politicians have spent like drunken sailors, and the “baby boomer” factor due to WWII changes things.
Now, somebody’s going to have to bring it all to a screeching halt. None of it can continue any more. Ready or not, it’s gonna hit a brick wall. We’re ready. Is everybody else? - It doesn’t help that we have a President who lives in a fantasy world.
I don't care whether you label seniors conservative or liberal, but you cannot correctly label them as Social Security or Medicare cutters. That's why Paul Ryan's plan was to not cut any benefits for anyone over 55 years old. His plan was to begin cutting Medicare benefits more than 10 years from now. We might just as well table his proposal and look at it ten years from now.
Neither political party wants to even suggest publicly that we reduce spending on our current crop of seniors. The vast majority of our current crop of seniors will not stand for any cuts to their current benefits. If you believe you are seeing crowds of seniors marching around and carrying signs demanding that spending on seniors be cut, you are hallucinating. Such folks do not exist.
Seniors vote and this generation of seniors is going to make sure that senior entitlement programs are not going to come to any "screeching halt" anytime soon.
ME? Hallucinating? Perhaps. - You’re so busy condemning senior citizens your head is rattling from the sound of your own voice (which you obviously love to hear) - that you can hear nothing but what you’re obsessing about.
It’ll stop (despite how the Obama voters vote) from the weight of its own ungodly, wasteful, juvenile, bloated, slothful butt. Sooner than later.
P.S. Obama HAS already done CUTS to Medicare - to the tune of $700 billion dollars over the next ten years and moved it over to OBAMACARE where he can lavish it on his loyal voters. (Do you really think Obama’s gonna leave gracefully at the end of this term? So far, he hasn’t seen a law that he couldn’t find a way around.)
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