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MSNBC Host: If Adam Lanza Killed Black Kids We Probably Wouldn’t Be Talking About Guns
Townhall.com ^ | February 16, 2013 | Leah Barkoukis

Posted on 02/16/2013 5:44:42 PM PST by Kaslin

That MSNBC host would be the one and only Touré who was responding to a section in Wayne LaPierre’s recent article on The Daily Caller. The NRA chief was discussing the various reasons law-abiding citizens need a firearm, including after a natural disaster.

 “After Hurricane Sandy, we saw the hellish world that the gun prohibitionists see as their utopia. Looters ran wild in south Brooklyn. There was no food, water or electricity. And if you wanted to walk several miles to get supplies, you better get back before dark, or you might not get home at all.”

And just like that, Touré’s racism radar went off.

MSNBC’s Toure: If Newtown Shooter Killed Black Kids We Probably Wouldn’t Be Talking About Guns

“Perhaps we know Wayne LaPierre is wrong about good guys and bad guys and guns. I’m sure many of us find him hard to trust given his obvious use of racial demonization to spread fear that will lead to buying guns. In his recent editorial in the Daily Caller, he spoke of supposedly rampant crime and murder in some place he called South Brooklyn in the days after Hurricane Sandy. Put aside that no reporting bears that out, I live in Brooklyn, and I have for a long time, and there is no place referred to as South Brooklyn. But I think it's safe to say that when he says that, much of the country envisions a place clogged with black people.

Now if Adam Lanza had walked into a black public school in this mythical South Brooklyn or in the Southside of Chicago, we would probably not be having a sustained national conversation about guns.Adam just smushed the pain of the gun epidemic in America's face, but black people have been living with that pain for so long we're numb to it. We’re rightly outraged by interracial killings, but black on black crime is a far more prevalent problem.”

He does have a point though. If Adam Lanza, a white male, had walked into a black public school and massacred 26 children and teachers, we’d be talking about racism. But that would be only part of the national conversation. Many have argued the reason the president’s real push for gun control came after Sandy Hook rather than Aurora is because it was in his second term. While this may be true, I’d also argue the public’s outrage and many people’s emotional draw toward gun control stems from the fact that the majority of victims were innocent children. Moreover, they were victimized in an elementary school--one of the safest places young people can be. This has nothing to do with race. To suggest Americans wouldn't be just as outraged if this occured in a black public school is disgraceful. 

That being said, however, black on black crime is a far more prevalent problem—so in that sense, Touré’s right. If we are to stick with his example of the Southside of Chicago though, we can see that more gun control isn’t the answer. Guns are an easy target for progressives but it’s time people stop overlooking the many reasons people choose to the pull the trigger. 

As a side note, NewsBusters’ Noel Sheppard points out there really is such a thing as South Brooklyn and he just happened to find a HuffPo article titled, “Hurricane Sandy Looting, Fights Plague South Brooklyn." Hmm.

"It's getting dark, and it's real dangerous out here -- that's why there's a cop on every block," one NYPD officer told HuffPost Crime. "You could get your stuff stolen." [...]

Dena Wells, 39, a resident of Ocean Towers, had had enough after watching the melee.

"People are turning on each other -- they're attacking each other," she said, shaking her head. "Even when there's no disaster, this building is disastrous. But after the hurricane, it just got crazy."

Don't expect an apology from Touré. 


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: adamlanza; banglist; guncontrol; gunviolence; lanza; leftwinglunatic; newtown; racecard; sandyhook; schoolshooting; secondamendment; toure
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1 posted on 02/16/2013 5:44:56 PM PST by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

It frogs had wings they would fly.


2 posted on 02/16/2013 5:47:13 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Kaslin

and they say white conservatives are the racists...


3 posted on 02/16/2013 5:47:55 PM PST by bigbob
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To: Kaslin

IF frogs had wings, they would fly.

IF Tourette had a brain, he would be dangerous.


4 posted on 02/16/2013 5:48:27 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: bigbob

They also say that Obama is smart.

They are so full of shit.


5 posted on 02/16/2013 5:50:51 PM PST by Howie66 (Molon Labe, Traitors!)
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To: Kaslin

H e is right. And he is right that if Lanza were black shooting black kids we would not be discussing gun control either.


6 posted on 02/16/2013 5:51:18 PM PST by GlockThe Vote (The Obama Adminstration: 2nd wave ofo attacks on America after 9/11)
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To: Howie66

Warning: this is a repeat. BUT knowing the statistics factually before the argument does matter.

1) 50% of all murder victims in 2011 were African-American.
2) 52 % of all murderers in 2011 were African-American (if their race was known and a significant fraction was unknown).
3) The murder rate (not including manslaughter) in the US in 2011 (4.1 per 100K) is half what it was in 1992, and the rate has been falling since 1992, its not an all at once thing.
4) Given that African-Americans make up 14% of the US population and commit half of all murders, that implies…
a) The murder rate for non-African-Americans (86% of the US population) is something like half the national average (about 2.3/100K) – about the same as that of Finland.
b) The murder rate for African-Americans is about 15/100K. This is about the same rate as that of Mexico.
c) African-American men ages 13-39 are about 2.4% of the population of the US in 2011 and account for an estimated 40% of all murders.
5) About half of all murders in the US are committed with handguns (again, as of 2011).

Conclusion: Unless and until we control young urban Black males killing other young urban Black males we’re not going to significantly reduce murder rates in the US.

Opinion: Americans don’t believe giving up their fundamental right to armed self-defense is a price worth paying to stop street thugs engaged in the narcotics trade from killing each other at a high rate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_SF2_QTP1&prodType=table
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_1YR_S0101&prodType=table


7 posted on 02/16/2013 5:51:33 PM PST by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)
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To: Kaslin

Would we be talking about it if Lanza was black?


8 posted on 02/16/2013 5:54:23 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Like they don’t talk about the record setting pace of black-on-black killings in Chicago.


9 posted on 02/16/2013 5:54:45 PM PST by Iron Munro (I miss America, don't you?)
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To: Howie66

True. And, If Adm Lanza weren’t insane, he wouldn’t have killed anybody, white or black.


10 posted on 02/16/2013 5:56:32 PM PST by grandpa jones (obama delenda est)
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To: Kaslin

The NRA was accused of overt RACISM back in 1968 when they issued a statement as to why Americans need guns.

The NRA statement was..”What if there was a race riot in your neighborhood and the police had been called elsewhere?”

Needless to say, the 1968 MSM were all over it!, foaming at the mouth, falling down and getting skinned up to prove NRA racism.


11 posted on 02/16/2013 5:57:40 PM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar ( Too old to cut the mustard any more.)
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To: Iron Munro

They don’t spend a whole lot of time talking about the number of blacks who legally defend themselves with guns in Detroit. Elderly blacks are taking a heck of a toll.


12 posted on 02/16/2013 5:59:32 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
That's one of the things I like about Rick Ector in Detroit. He calls the democrats out on their part in the racist roots of gun control.

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13 posted on 02/16/2013 6:02:18 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin
if Adam Lanza had walked into a black public school in this mythical South Brooklyn or in the Southside of Chicago, we would probably not be having a sustained national conversation about guns.

Since only Dems are pushing for gun control, he seems to be confirming what I always say. Dems are racists. Always have been, still are. They are the party of ethnic politics and race obsession; its in their DNA. They can't help themselves, its the lens through which they see the world.

He's wrong though. Dems are always for gun control, as long as they have their own armed security men around them. And they are always race obsessed and will seize on even a crime in which race is not a factor to cry "race". They can't help themselves. And if there is some way to tie "race" and gun control into the same conversation, its a bonus-play opportunity. Which for them is easy, since they see race everywhere they look all day every day.

14 posted on 02/16/2013 6:04:36 PM PST by marron
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To: Kaslin
If Adam Lanza Killed Black Kids We Probably Wouldn’t Be Talking About Guns

Actually, I think that is true. Who in the national media ever makes mention of the daily carnage taking place in the inner cities?

15 posted on 02/16/2013 6:06:04 PM PST by fso301
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To: Kaslin

I agree. We should probably stop talking about gun control because it is racist.


16 posted on 02/16/2013 6:06:50 PM PST by Texas Federalist (DeMint 2012!)
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To: fso301

Actually, I think that is true. Who in the national media ever makes mention of the daily carnage taking place in the inner cities?

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17 posted on 02/16/2013 6:10:26 PM PST by Chickensoup (200 million unarmed people killed in the 20th century by Leftist Totalitarian Fascists)
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To: Howie66

You said it


18 posted on 02/16/2013 6:11:30 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Howie66

You said it


19 posted on 02/16/2013 6:11:48 PM PST by Kaslin (He needed the ignorant to reelect him, and he got them. Now we all have to pay the consequenses)
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To: Kaslin

And if Lanza had been an abortionist he could have killed kids of all different races with impunity by the thousands and nobody would have batted an eye.


20 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:29 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Kaslin

My guns are mostly black. Does that mean that they can’t be racist? Is my silver gun more likely to be racist than my others? If we are going to have a national conversation about guns and racism, should it start in my gun cabinet? I could not find a color trend in the bullets, so I am not sure if bullet racism is irrelevant. What if I buy a rainbow colored gun...do I have to worry about gay-bashing by the black and silver ones? (yes, this makes more sense than most of what is on MSNBC)


21 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:29 PM PST by Blue Devil Reaganite (A Professor is someone educated far beyond his or her own intelligence)
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To: Kaslin

My guns are mostly black. Does that mean that they can’t be racist? Is my silver gun more likely to be racist than my others? If we are going to have a national conversation about guns and racism, should it start in my gun cabinet? I could not find a color trend in the bullets, so I am not sure if bullet racism is irrelevant. What if I buy a rainbow colored gun...do I have to worry about gay-bashing by the black and silver ones? (yes, this makes more sense than most of what is on MSNBC)


22 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:41 PM PST by Blue Devil Reaganite (A Professor is someone educated far beyond his or her own intelligence)
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To: Kaslin

My guns are mostly black. Does that mean that they can’t be racist? Is my silver gun more likely to be racist than my others? If we are going to have a national conversation about guns and racism, should it start in my gun cabinet? I could not find a color trend in the bullets, so I am not sure if bullet racism is irrelevant. What if I buy a rainbow colored gun...do I have to worry about gay-bashing by the black and silver ones? (yes, this makes more sense than most of what is on MSNBC)


23 posted on 02/16/2013 6:13:48 PM PST by Blue Devil Reaganite (A Professor is someone educated far beyond his or her own intelligence)
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To: Kaslin

My guns are mostly black. Does that mean that they can’t be racist? Is my silver gun more likely to be racist than my others? If we are going to have a national conversation about guns and racism, should it start in my gun cabinet? I could not find a color trend in the bullets, so I am not sure if bullet racism is irrelevant. What if I buy a rainbow colored gun...do I have to worry about gay-bashing by the black and silver ones? (yes, this makes more sense than most of what is on MSNBC)


24 posted on 02/16/2013 6:14:18 PM PST by Blue Devil Reaganite (A Professor is someone educated far beyond his or her own intelligence)
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To: Kaslin

Hey Toure, if thats the case how come the left NEVER mentions what is going on in Chicago..because its blacks killing blacks therefore its not really a “Crime” according to leftists..hey Toure, something else for you to think about, if George Bush were President..would you give a damn about Benghazi?


25 posted on 02/16/2013 6:14:41 PM PST by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Blue Devil Reaganite

Sorry, iPad does this sometimes.


26 posted on 02/16/2013 6:15:16 PM PST by Blue Devil Reaganite (A Professor is someone educated far beyond his or her own intelligence)
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To: cripplecreek
Would we be talking about it if Lanza was black?

If Adam Lanza were black and shooting up white kids he'd be up for his own Monday holiday by next February.

27 posted on 02/16/2013 6:16:03 PM PST by Fightin Whitey
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To: Blue Devil Reaganite
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28 posted on 02/16/2013 6:16:34 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

Where is “Southside Chicago”. Where is their city hall?

Duh


29 posted on 02/16/2013 6:21:09 PM PST by School of Rational Thought (Fun for women ages 21 through 35)
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To: Kaslin

Of course he’s right. Chicago proves the point.


30 posted on 02/16/2013 6:23:28 PM PST by FrdmLvr (culture, language, borders)
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To: Blue Devil Reaganite

Just when I think MSNBC can’t sink any lower, they find a way.


31 posted on 02/16/2013 6:24:43 PM PST by matt04
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To: Joe 6-pack

OMG, you are so right. Liberals really object to his timing (after they were born) and the fact that he used a gun and not a scalpel.


32 posted on 02/16/2013 6:28:09 PM PST by Hardastarboard (The Liberal ruling class hates me. The feeling is mutual.)
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To: Fightin Whitey
Would we be talking about it if Lanza was black?

If Lanza were white and his victims black, we'd never hear the end of it.

33 posted on 02/16/2013 6:30:08 PM PST by umgud
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To: Kaslin

If Adam Lanza were black we wouldn’t be talking about guns.


34 posted on 02/16/2013 6:31:40 PM PST by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/ ?)
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To: Kaslin

If Adam Lanza was black, we wouldn’t be talking about it at all...

Doncha know, it’s racist to talk about black crime.


35 posted on 02/16/2013 6:32:15 PM PST by djf (Conservative values help the poor. Liberal values help them STAY poor!!!)
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To: Chickensoup

Absolutely no talk of guns after Ft. Hood...Black and Muslim...Surprise !!!


36 posted on 02/16/2013 6:36:35 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Kaslin

Most of my guns are black.... that proves I am not racist.


37 posted on 02/16/2013 6:40:53 PM PST by Gator113 ( REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS and leave my guns alone!!)
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To: umgud
If Lanza were white and his victims black, we'd never hear the end of it.

If Lanza's victims were black, the lynching of George Zimmerman would pale in comparison to it.

38 posted on 02/16/2013 6:41:11 PM PST by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Kaslin

and if obama had any interest in his “hometown” of chicago where the black on black murder rate exceeds newtown by several orders of maganitude


39 posted on 02/16/2013 6:44:08 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Kaslin

MSNBC NEVER gets it right. Never.

If Adam Lanza had killed black children we’d never hear the end of it. Look what happened to Zimmerman - and Zimmerman wasn’t even ‘really’ white. ANS he killed ONE black kid in self defense - the mob was ready to hang him. NBC was doctoring tapes to make him look racist... There was blood in the water - they were after Zimmerman.

No, the only way it would NOT be a story is if some black kid killed black kids. Like what’s been happening in Chicago, Detroit, and Philly for years.


40 posted on 02/16/2013 7:24:28 PM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own oneÂ’s risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: Kaslin
No, the only way it would NOT be a story is if some black kid killed black kids. Like what's been happening in Chicago, Detroit, and Philly for years.

The reason the biased press doesn't cover black crime is they're afraid of being called racists. There's only so much stuff that can be blamed on white people and the press is scared to death to deal with truth.

When bad things are are done by black people liberal elites pretend nothing happened - it's ignored. The old saw about how do you know a black person committed a crime in a newspaper story? If the race is NOT mentioned - the perp is black... Same for politicians - if it's bad - and the ‘party’ isn't mentioned in the headline for first paragraph it's a dem....

41 posted on 02/16/2013 7:31:35 PM PST by GOPJ (To be free is to own oneÂ’s risk - Jonathan Levy)
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To: Kaslin

Try getting your head out of your *** Leah!!


42 posted on 02/16/2013 7:40:09 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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Try getting your head out of your *** LeahToure!!
43 posted on 02/16/2013 7:42:25 PM PST by mylife (The Roar Of The Masses Could Be Farts)
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To: cripplecreek

;o)


44 posted on 02/16/2013 7:45:29 PM PST by QBFimi (When gunpowder speaks, beasts listen.)
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To: Kaslin

45 posted on 02/16/2013 7:46:04 PM PST by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: Kaslin

If Chris Dorner was white, they’d still be talking about him at the top of the news.

So there, Toure.


46 posted on 02/16/2013 7:51:01 PM PST by The KG9 Kid (Demand Common Sense Nut Control.)
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To: cripplecreek
Would we be talking about it if Lanza was black?

Yep, that's definitely the bigger, more pertinent question.

47 posted on 02/16/2013 7:56:34 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Kaslin

Well he had it half right. IF Lanza had been BLACK and killed BLACK school children, the media (MSLSD included) would have swept it under the rug. Blacks must not be seen as sources of crime.


48 posted on 02/16/2013 8:06:56 PM PST by Tailback
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To: Tailback

Speaking of blacks being incapable of crime, the Dorner fan club is now protesting to “clear Dorner’s name”.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/02/16/clear-his-name-protesters-rally-in-support-of-christopher-dorner-outside-lapd-headquarters/

They must have missed the part of the story where he killed 4 people.


49 posted on 02/16/2013 8:23:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Kaslin

If Touré is trying to say that the push for gun control is nothing but disingenuous demagoguery he’s right. 0bama doesn’t care about ‘gun violence.’ 0bama doesn’t care about ‘black on black’ murder. 0bama doesn’t care about blacks at all. All 0bama cares about is FedMob power over the people. All people.


50 posted on 02/16/2013 8:56:16 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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