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1 posted on 02/17/2013 4:35:30 PM PST by grundle
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The term ‘gun violence’ itself is just agitprop. All violent crimes are a problem and all crimes are committed by human beings not guns, hammers, knives, baseball bats or any other inanimate object. “Gun violence” is a political phrase coined with the sole aim of demagoguing for anti-2nd Amendment legislation.


2 posted on 02/17/2013 4:45:41 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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Ooooo, now you’re in big trouble for telling the truth!


3 posted on 02/17/2013 4:47:20 PM PST by NoGrayZone (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothing.)
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To: grundle

Talk about your inconvenient truths.


4 posted on 02/17/2013 4:49:56 PM PST by Some Fat Guy in L.A. (Still bitterly clinging to rational thought despite it's unfashionability)
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To: grundle
He won Detroit, where the murder rate of 53 per 100,000 people is the second highest in the country and twice as high as any country in the world, including the Congo and South Africa. He won it 73 to 26.

That's incorrect. 73 to 26 is all of Wayne County, not Detroit. He won Detroit 97% to 3% in 2008. It's at least the same now if not worse.

5 posted on 02/17/2013 4:56:57 PM PST by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: grundle; RKV
A post that is closely related to the article's subject.

Warning: this is a repeat. BUT knowing the statistics factually before the argument does matter.

1) 50% of all murder victims in 2011 were African-American.
2) 52 % of all murderers in 2011 were African-American (if their race was known and a significant fraction was unknown).
3) The murder rate (not including manslaughter) in the US in 2011 (4.1 per 100K) is half what it was in 1992, and the rate has been falling since 1992, its not an all at once thing.
4) Given that African-Americans make up 14% of the US population and commit half of all murders, that implies…
a) The murder rate for non-African-Americans (86% of the US population) is something like half the national average (about 2.3/100K) – about the same as that of Finland.
b) The murder rate for African-Americans is about 15/100K. This is about the same rate as that of Mexico.
c) African-American men ages 13-39 are about 2.4% of the population of the US in 2011 and account for an estimated 40% of all murders.
5) About half of all murders in the US are committed with handguns (again, as of 2011).

Conclusion: Unless and until we control young urban Black males killing other young urban Black males we’re not going to significantly reduce murder rates in the US.

Opinion: Americans don’t believe giving up their fundamental right to armed self-defense is a price worth paying to stop street thugs engaged in the narcotics trade from killing each other at a high rate.

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-1
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/crime-in-the-u.s/2011/crime-in-the-u.s.-2011/tables/table-1
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=DEC_10_SF2_QTP1&prodType=table
http://factfinder2.census.gov/faces/tableservices/jsf/pages/productview.xhtml?pid=ACS_11_1YR_S0101&prodType=table

7 posted on Saturday, February 16, 2013 6:51:33 PM by RKV (He who has the guns makes the rules)

The thread I found it on...

MSNBC Host: If Adam Lanza Killed Black Kids We Probably Wouldn’t Be Talking About Guns

6 posted on 02/17/2013 4:57:31 PM PST by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: grundle

Has anyone published what kind of sentences are actually handed down on convicted gang bangers arrested for mere unlawful possession of a gun? Eric Holders sentences of heavy reprimand, maybe?


8 posted on 02/17/2013 5:14:10 PM PST by Mark (For the first time in my life, I'm no longer proud of my country.)
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To: grundle

Simple solution, just make it illegal for Democrats to own guns!


9 posted on 02/17/2013 5:16:01 PM PST by Blood of Tyrants (There is no requirement to show need in order to exercise your rights.)
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To: grundle
Chicago, the capital of Obamerica, is a city run by gangs and politicians.

Isn't that redundant?

10 posted on 02/17/2013 5:25:23 PM PST by facedown (Armed in the Heartland)
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No one wants to say it but the Violence problem in America is isolated to the inner city Gubmint projects and the life long welfare recipients who dwell there. If the numbers from black on black, drug, and gang related murders were tossed out there wouldn’t be enough murders to make a good 30 minute news report. If we had harsher mandatory penalties including the death penalty for murders, rapes, and robberies with a stolen gun the so called problem would be solved.

But since the Obama justice department wont even consider prosecuting these kind of potential voters I suggest an alternative for long term crime prevention. We simply get a group of volunteers to go into these type of high crime neighborhoods and put empty TV, Stereo, Computer, and electronics boxes next to every other mailbox then you do the same thing with all of the other mailboxes but instead of empty boxes drop off a handful of 9mm ammo. In just a few years the number of crimes will drop drastically and so will the number of new welfare applications.


11 posted on 02/17/2013 5:33:06 PM PST by cquiggy
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To: grundle

There’s a really big racial angle here, but conservatives are generally not comfortable talking about it.


12 posted on 02/17/2013 5:34:23 PM PST by River Hawk
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To: grundle

THE TRUTH IS RACIST!


13 posted on 02/17/2013 5:43:47 PM PST by MrBambaLaMamba (This Message Contains Privileged Attorney-Client Communications)
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To: grundle

Teen-agers don’t have guns. That’s against the law /s/

When guns are outlawed only ghetto teen-agers will have guns.


15 posted on 02/17/2013 5:56:29 PM PST by Venturer
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To: grundle

Great article....


24 posted on 02/17/2013 7:05:16 PM PST by Gator113 ( REGISTER THE DAMN LIBERALS and leave my guns alone!!)
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To: grundle

ping


25 posted on 02/17/2013 7:49:09 PM PST by knife6375 (US Navy Veteran)
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To: grundle
Gun Violence is Not a Republican Problem, It’s a Democratic Problem

Democrat Party, because there's nothing democratic about it.

29 posted on 02/17/2013 10:46:37 PM PST by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed &water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW & FOREVER!)
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To: grundle

Even when he ain’t the Sultan, he writes a mean article.


32 posted on 02/18/2013 5:18:05 AM PST by trebb (Allies no longer trust us. Enemies no longer fear us.)
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To: grundle

ping


35 posted on 02/18/2013 7:00:04 AM PST by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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