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Judge denies George Zimmerman motion to depose Ben Crump
Click Orlando ^ | February 22, 2013 | Click Orlando

Posted on 02/22/2013 5:05:29 PM PST by Uncle Chip

A judge on Friday ruled that the defense team for George Zimmerman cannot depose Ben Crump, the attorney representing the slain teen's family.

Judge Debra Nelson said the deposition was not needed and there was no undue prejudice. She also said that the defense has not yet deposed Witness 8, whose interview with Crump is in question, even though they've had her identity for 10 months.

Nelson did grant the defense's motions for subpoenas of voice samples from Martin over the last three years. If they exist, the audio samples are in the possession of Martin's family and Witness 8.

The defense said they wanted to depose Crump before holding a deposition with Witness 8, a friend of Martin who told Crump that she was on the phone with Martin before he was shot and killed last February in a gated Sanford community.

"It is widely accepted that (the recording of the Crump's interview with Witness 8) is largely unintelligible," West said.

The defense believed Crump should have been forced to reveal details of the interview and give insight to the inaudible words.

West also said the age of the key witness was misrepresented. He said that she was 18 years old at the time of the shooting, not 16 as previously released. He also tried to argue that Crump made himself a witness in the case when he interviewed the girl.

"Mr. Crump chose to conduct the interview in the fashion that he did. He chose to have ABC News present. It's not clear to me how and why that was set up," West said. "He chose not to have law enforcement present, in fact, (he) withheld this witness from law enforcement for some time ... He made himself a witness."

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: trayvonmartin; zimmerman

1 posted on 02/22/2013 5:05:33 PM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: Uncle Chip
Another expertly written report from "Click Orlando".

"It is widely accepted that (the recording of the Crump's interview with Witness 8) is largely unintelligible," West said.

Who the hell is "West"?

2 posted on 02/22/2013 5:08:58 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Uncle Chip

This is a mistrial waiting to happen. An automatic reversal of guilt (if found guilty) on appeals. This dog and pony show will make the idiots prosecuting the Duke trial look like Einsteins.

Poor Zimmerman. He does not deserve this harrassment.


3 posted on 02/22/2013 5:10:20 PM PST by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: Uncle Chip

Deposing an opposing attorney in any litigation is pretty much impossible.


4 posted on 02/22/2013 5:12:37 PM PST by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: BenLurkin

Is Crump an attorney of record in this case? I thought he was just Obama’s agent, tasked with stirring up as much racial strife as possible.


5 posted on 02/22/2013 5:19:20 PM PST by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Lancey Howard

6 posted on 02/22/2013 5:23:26 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's presidential run. What'll you do?)
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To: Uncle Chip

Well.... at least there is now another certain reverseable error on appeal.

The Lynching of George Zimmerman continues....embarassing


7 posted on 02/22/2013 5:24:47 PM PST by SeminoleCounty (GOP = Greenlighting Obama's Programs)
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To: Responsibility2nd

tHAT’S FINE Automatic dead cinch appeal for this fine young first responder to a thug!! What a hero. we need to name schools after ZIMMERMAN. Awesome young man. God Bless George!!


8 posted on 02/22/2013 5:28:24 PM PST by willardwx
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To: Uncle Chip
"It is widely accepted that (the recording of the Crump's interview with Witness 8) is largely unintelligible," West said.

I imagine that the responses to police questions were along the lines of:

"S'up?"
"Yo, and he, like, ya know wha' I'm sayin?"
"Sh--. Ain't no thing."
"Wha?"
"Man, ain't be like dat. And, yo, I be -- I be -- I be -- and like that. Ya know?"
"Dude, you crazy. I don' unnerstan that sh-- at all. Bu' he real."

9 posted on 02/22/2013 5:33:21 PM PST by ClearCase_guy (Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: willardwx

I for one have been worried about George being railroaded from beginning, and my fears have only grown.

To the folks that speak of.... no problem, appeals will go Georges/our way, join the real world, the courts are full of partisan judges, people are railroaded every day, with little hope for appeal.

The percentage of folks that even get a appeal is very low

What about a mini trial before the real trial...stand your ground, is that off the table now?


10 posted on 02/22/2013 5:40:48 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Uncle Chip

That makes it official. This is a Show Trial. “Stand Your Ground” will be denied.


11 posted on 02/22/2013 5:40:55 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: jiggyboy

Railroading includes the trumped up charges on George’s wife. With all the attorney fees they had/have no money, so they monetary issue a year ago was plainly a trap. Gotta keep her under their thumb too.


12 posted on 02/22/2013 6:08:25 PM PST by George from New England (escaped CT in 2006, now living north of Tampa)
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To: Uncle Chip

“She also said that the defense has not yet deposed Witness 8, whose interview with Crump is in question, even though they’ve had her identity for 10 months.”

Is this true? Is she somehow inaccessible?
Did the defense expect Crump to throw DeeDee under the bus to explain the age thing, etc., thus getting her to spill the beans in revenge?


13 posted on 02/22/2013 6:12:27 PM PST by Chewbarkah
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To: Friendofgeorge

Agree. And how long would Zimmerman survive in a FL state prison.


14 posted on 02/22/2013 6:16:08 PM PST by Ken H
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To: Uncle Chip
Mistrial!

How much longer can they keep this charade up?

15 posted on 02/22/2013 6:17:53 PM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: jiggyboy

It’s been an “Official Show Trial” from day four after the homicide on.

“Stand your Ground” was already “officially” denied.

The chances of our current legal system to render justice in this case is almost zero.
Zimmerman killed Martin, we all know that as a factual statement of truth.
The who, what, when and where is open knowledge.

The “why” of it, is the lone point of fact that remains unresolved.


16 posted on 02/22/2013 6:24:18 PM PST by sarasmom (The obvious takes longer to discover for the obtuse.)
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To: Chewbarkah
“She also said that the defense has not yet deposed Witness 8, whose interview with Crump is in question, even though they’ve had her identity for 10 months.”

This statement is a lie. "Witness 8", aka "DeeDee", is a fiction created by Crump in order to get GZ arrested.

17 posted on 02/22/2013 6:25:45 PM PST by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: Lancey Howard
Who the hell is "West"?

The second paragraph seems to have been accidentally redacted:

"Zimmerman's lead attorney, former Local 6 legal analyst Mark O'Mara, and attorney Don West argued the motion, seeking to question Crump. Zimmerman and Crump did not attend the hearing."

18 posted on 02/22/2013 6:27:11 PM PST by FoxInSocks ("Hope is not a course of action." -- M. O'Neal, USMC)
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To: Uncle Chip
I kick in at least 10 bucks to George's defense account each month, just like my share for Free Republic.

I do it because it is important, it is an investment in the future.

Freedom is never free!

Any one of us could be in George Zimmerman's shoes, the leftists hate the very thought of armed self defense.

George is a sacrifice on the leftist's altar, and if they are allowed to destroy him they will look for more.

It could be me!

19 posted on 02/22/2013 6:44:51 PM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: FoxInSocks

Ah. Thanks.


20 posted on 02/22/2013 6:48:22 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: FoxInSocks

By the way, Fox in Socks was always my favorite Seuss book. I enjoyed reading it to my kids long ago, and now my grandkids.


21 posted on 02/22/2013 6:49:52 PM PST by Lancey Howard
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To: Uncle Chip

Unless one side makes a very,*very* serious mistake during jury selection it’s difficult to imagine either a conviction *or* acquittal in this case.


22 posted on 02/22/2013 6:57:18 PM PST by Gay State Conservative ("Progressives" toss the word "racist" around like chimps toss their feces)
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To: Uncle Chip

No matter how good the tax situation is in Florida I’d never consider moving there. Their justice system is a joke. A bad joke.

Heck, I don’t think I’d even go to a business meeting down there.


23 posted on 02/22/2013 6:58:50 PM PST by ladyjane (For the first time in my life I am not proud of my country.)
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To: Friendofgeorge

Don’t lose hope my friend. He did nothing, zip, nada.That guy was a hooded crap head zombie. Watch “walking dead”— you will understand then.


24 posted on 02/22/2013 7:34:29 PM PST by willardwx
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To: Uncle Chip
Oh boy, seems like the defense is swimming up stream.

Whatever the outcome, this will go to appeal.

5.56mm

25 posted on 02/22/2013 7:41:55 PM PST by M Kehoe
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To: Chewbarkah

They’ve been trying to get a clean recording for much of that time.


26 posted on 02/22/2013 7:45:13 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Friendofgeorge

April 22 for the self defense immunity hearing at last report. The defense reiterated yesterday that this is a self defense case, not a stand your ground case. The procedural motions included in the stand your ground law apply to both kinds of case.

http://t.co/vlpEPxLFEq


27 posted on 02/22/2013 7:52:36 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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To: Uncle Chip
they know it will be appealed, the RAT court is simply trying to bankrupt him...
28 posted on 02/22/2013 8:01:17 PM PST by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Uncle Chip

Bump


29 posted on 02/22/2013 8:19:49 PM PST by kanawa
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To: Uncle Chip

I am not as concerned about this as many.

I think some of the depositions the defense wants are to ferret out information which will benefit the defense in future defamation cases against the MSM and some of the accusers.

While I think the judge is making reversible errors along the way, there just isn’t a whole lot of evidence against GZ. Even Witness 8, is not that bad for him, and I expect that even without a prior deposition of Crump, O’Mara and West will cut her to pieces in a deposition, and if it gets to trial she will look terrible on cross-examination.

Actually, the best outcome for the state is a hung jury where there are no riots and then they decide to drop the case.


30 posted on 02/22/2013 10:34:43 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: CurlyDave
Even Witness 8, is not that bad for him, and I expect that even without a prior deposition of Crump, O’Mara and West will cut her to pieces in a deposition, and if it gets to trial she will look terrible on cross-examination.

The defense already conducted its mini-deposition of Witness 8 as directed by the court for the sole purpose of getting her address from her and she declined to give it.

That tells me that she has been prepped to lie and obfuscate and refuse to answer questions with the aid and comfort of the prosecution and the defense will have no recourse.

And when she appears for her deposition she can decline to give out her address at that time too. And without that address the defense has no way of knowing if the name she is using is hers or someone else's.

This lunatic for a judge here is aiding and abetting a fraud and she knows it by referring to Crump as "opposing counsel" and denying his deposition.

She is just giddy with glee about making arrangements for the June trial as if she is planning a party. No discussion about the April Immunity Hearing as if it is a given that her mind is already made up -- were' going to have a June party no matter what.

The question is what will the defense do from here on out.

I'm wondering if the deposition of Witness 8 will be even be productive for the defense at this point without knowing who she really is ahead of time and without Crump's previous deposition.

Perhaps since the April hearing is now a throwaway, use that for the deposition of Crump and Witness 8 and Witness 8.

31 posted on 02/23/2013 7:39:16 AM PST by Uncle Chip
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To: ArmstedFragg

Looking forward to that April hearing, hopefully it happens.

I also worry about people judging the case unfairly because of Georges size and appearance these days. I support George 150% just stating the obvious.

I understand fully the stress George must be under, I to once had to defend myself from a very serious charge, I did prevail, but could have gone the other way, I was lucky that I had a good judge that believed me, Grace of God!

It`s just that so many people jurors do judge unfairly, there was a hearing some months ago, George I think was wearing a pin striped suit, he had his hair grown nicely, not brush cut, he was slim and fit and very handsome...

I think it would be very helpful to him if he could get back to that place in his life, it should NOT matter at all,however unfortunately it may hurt him otherwise


32 posted on 02/23/2013 12:50:23 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (SARAH PALIN 2016 OR BUST)
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To: Friendofgeorge
You're right, appearance does matter. I have a friend who's a prosecutor and was handling a case involving a real street thug. His attorney did the usual rehab with a suit, tie, etc. At trial, he showed up wearing a pair of tinted eyeglasses. The cops had never seen him in those glasses, and she asked them why he might be wearing them. After some head-scratching, one of them said, “shark eyes”. When it came time for witness identification, she asked the court to have him remove the glasses. Sure enough, your basic predator stare. The jury got a look at him, didn't take to him, and the case was a slam dunk.

Losing the motion is disturbing. Crump has been actively polluting the jury pool, and IMO has essentially manufactured a witness. Getting that on record, and pinning him down so the conflicts and his part in her testimony were obvious would have been really helpful. Allowing him to spew lies, then hide behind a privilege claim is bad news. I couldn't read the judge... either she couldn't really grasp the situation, or she grasped it, but wasn't going to let the defense resolve it in this manner.

Wait’ll you see what Crump has "his" witness wearing at trial.

33 posted on 02/23/2013 4:44:00 PM PST by ArmstedFragg (hoaxy dopey changey)
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