Posted on 02/27/2013 8:47:19 AM PST by Sybeck1
Edited on 02/27/2013 9:42:50 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]
February 28, 1993, a raid by agents from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms sparked the biggest firefight in the history of American law enforcement and continued debate 20 years later. Two agents who were there say the disastrous raid led to fundamental changes in ATF.
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The leadership from that raid should have been in the fire themselves.
Bump for later
I have always been fairly conservative, but this incident and Ruby Ridge really sent me over the edge. Both of these events were nothing but political stunts performed by the ATF and the FBI ...and I will say nothing more as we are bieng monitored by the same criminal elements as before
The Branch Davidians did not have grenades and they did not have any .50 caliber weapons. They also didn’t have any anti-tank weapons as the media said they did and that’s a shame given that they could have used them.
me too...
“Both of these events were nothing but political stunts performed by the ATF and the FBI”
Sorry but I disagree, to call these political stunts grossly understates the seriousness of the event.
Still the largest mass murder in U.S. history.
Oh, well instead of burning alive they were chocked to death......
Doesn’t the 1967 Detroit riots beat Watts?
Can't recall ever seeing evidence that supports that, so I consider it as much a rumor as these new "grenades" that have been added to spice-up the story.
“Still the largest mass murder in U.S. history.”
Nope. The Civil War still owns that particular title.
One fact of life- the winners get to write the history. I remember, as I was in the Austin area that April 19, that all news media were pulled out the day before the barbeque, except for one lonely radio station, KVET I think. I also remember 4 Chinooks heading up that way right before the day of the fire flying over my house.
NYC, July, 1863. 120 to 1000 dead.
Mountain Meadows, UT, 1857. 100 to 140 dead.
Colfax, LA, 1873. 80 to 150.
Although to be fair, most of these can’t really be called a “fire-fight” with law enforcement.
Of course, the same is arguably true of the Waco incident.
The appallingly bad tactics and judgment of the feds at Waco (if not something worse), should not blind us to the fact that Koresh was a pretty bad guy. Not unlike Warren Jeffs of the FLDS or Jim Jones of the Peoples Temple.
Following such a guy is not likely to end well.
Over the years I have shared that documentary with over 500 people. The FLIR evidence is damning, and it destroys the entire FBI story that they never shot at the Branch Davidians on the day of the fire.
I am convinced that the FBI intentionally set the fire to try and cover up the fact that most of the children had already died from CS gas exposure. Every government thug involved in this operation from start to finish should be doing time in Leavenworth.
Particularly the part where the Branch Davidians ran out of the building with their clothing on fire and they were gunned down by government agents.
What gets me is these ATF agents say they were after Koresh, well he was in Dallas almost every day buying I think from a music store he was not always on the compound and he was watched every day so why instead of murdering children and women didn't these ATF people arrest him in Dallas..
These people were liked by the community and they worked at businesses around and in Waco..I never once heard a bad thing said about any of them except maybe Koresh..Clinton's wanted to get rid of them..Just like Obama wants to get rid of all of us that have guns..
And Please get the play where the compound was located correct..It was not in Waco it was in the country in a little place called Elk..
On May 5th 1993 I was contacted by one of the Waco investigators.
You are right, most of what he has said here came from a WH talking points memo that was written before the actual raid had taken place.
He said they would probably never know for sure who started shooting first, but more than likely it was ATF possibly shooting some dogs or throwing a flash bang grenade into the compound.
That Mexican ATF turd they had inside was supposed to have been taken hostage.
They were after a standoff to act as a diversion to the second trial of the LA police who beat R King and what was in the report from the US Attorney’s on the 15,000 FBI files on complaints filed against police with the FBI.
I was contacted by the investigator because of info I had provided the US Attorneys office in Houston on how the FBI was covering up police corruption.
It was because of Waco that the media never questioned Reno’s firing of the US Attorney’s.
No, CS tear gas is heavier then air. In high enough concentrations it displaces the oxygen and the people suffocate. There was evidence of this at Waco.
When CS tear gas is burned one of the chemicals released is Phasogene. It’s classified as a chemical warfare agent and is banned for use during war by treaty. One of the things it does is cause severe muscle contractions.
One little girl was found bent over in half, backwards. The contractions were so severe they broke her back.
Also they had Abrams tanks, Bradley AFVs, Combat engineer vehicles, Blackhawk helicopters, pyrotechnic CS gas grenades
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