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Worse than the world ever imagined: True scale of the Holocaust revealed
Daily Mail ^ | 2nd March 2013 | Anthony Bond

Posted on 03/02/2013 1:23:23 PM PST by the scotsman

'It is one of the worst moments in history, which still horrifies to this day.

During Hitler's brutal reign of Nazi Germany, more than six million Jews were killed.

But now new research has discovered that the Holocaust may well be even worse than previously thought. Researchers at the United States Holocaust Memorial Museum have been documenting all of the Nazi concentration camps, ghettos, slave labour sites and killing factories which had been set up across Europe.

When they first started the project, the team expected to find about 7,000 camps and ghettos. Shockingly, they discovered 42,500 camps across large swathes of German-controlled Europe. The researchers predict that up to 20 million people died or were imprisoned in the sites.'

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


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1 posted on 03/02/2013 1:23:32 PM PST by the scotsman
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To: the scotsman

What I find even more horrifying is the amount of local help the Nazis had in exterminating the Jewish population.


2 posted on 03/02/2013 1:28:27 PM PST by thecodont
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To: the scotsman

...but the Muzzies say it didn’t happen... </sarc


3 posted on 03/02/2013 1:28:27 PM PST by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: the scotsman

Yet New York Jews will still vote for the supporters of Islamo Nazis.


4 posted on 03/02/2013 1:36:11 PM PST by GrandJediMasterYoda (Someday our schools will teach the difference between "lose" and "loose")
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To: thecodont

Likely they’ll have even more help the next time, and, sadly, even from American jews who support the democrat party.


5 posted on 03/02/2013 1:46:55 PM PST by DPMD
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To: the scotsman
I have it on good authority from Iran that this never happened (/sarcasm)

What needs to be really discussed is how many others besides (but including Jews) we dealt with this way by the Nazi’s

For example, Jews and non-Jews were shipped from the Ukraine to war munition and other work camps when there was a shortage of German labor to continue the war effort. Part of the horror was that most went willingly on promises of food, work and better living conditions. All they got was a slow death.

They were truly crimes against humanity.

6 posted on 03/02/2013 1:47:14 PM PST by Robert357 (D.Rather "Hoist with his own petard!" www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1223916/posts)
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To: the scotsman

The German and german allies murdered by many means 6 to 20 million (or much MORE) in labor boondoggles in WWII and also in WWI.. not to speak that Stalin dwarfed Hilters fiascos.. and Mao ran a close second.. (probably) because no one really knows how many died in China and other territory’s.. could have been worse than Stalin..

Hilter, Stalin and Mao were amatuers when current progressives(socialists) are considered.. The current world socialist cabals will have no problem liquidating BILLIONS.. not multi-millions but multi-BILLIONS..

Along with making the rest still living miserable..
Humanity is committing suicide.. UNLESS socialism becomes ILLEGAL..
But socialists are serious as a heart attack.. only way to STOP THEM is to KILL THEM..
They WILL NOT just “give up”..


7 posted on 03/02/2013 1:48:29 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: thecodont

Anyone who is in a minority should be terrified about what could happen and that includes here in the USA; Mormons, Jews, Atheists, Blacks, Asians, Homosexuals, Muslims and even various Christian Sects could be targeted if the economy gets worse or other bad events happen.

It doesn’t take much for the really bad side of humanity to viciously attack. History proves it over and over. That is why I really don’t understand minority groups that deliberately antagonize the majority in the populations that surround them. Muslims in Europe, Blacks, Hispanics and homosexuals in the USA. It is almost self destructive behavior.


8 posted on 03/02/2013 1:51:36 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (bahits.com)
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To: the scotsman

People seem to keep forgetting they killed more than just jewish people at these camps


9 posted on 03/02/2013 1:54:51 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: GeronL

People like to forget the 70-120 million murdered (and still being murdered) by the Communists.


10 posted on 03/02/2013 1:56:28 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: hosepipe

The Japanese weren’t exactly pikers when it came to atrocities in places like Manchuria


11 posted on 03/02/2013 1:57:17 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: thecodont

It was what Pastor Bonhoeffer’s mother feared about the Prussian school system (the one we have BTW).

She felt if the children are put into this system younger than 8 or so—that they will be brainwashed and conditioned into a worldview antithetical to Christianity-—(individual worth and dignity).

She understood how young children form character (worldview) and that they will believe the “authority figures” version of Good and Evil.

What she understood was that the Prussian system conditions into “group think”, an emotional way which negates the intellect. Feelings will be forced by conforming to the “majority” and the teachers worldview. If the teachers praises things which are evil, the child will learn to feel ‘good” about evil. It is BF Skinner association technique that our schools have used to destroy the moral feelings from “Good’. They force children to feel “good” about “evil”—like they have to take “Pride” in sodomy and “praise” the vile acts or be ostracized by the “group”.

The Germans had God removed by the German Postmodernists whose ideology dominated Germany by the early 1900’s where the culture was vulgar and degraded continually (Weimar Republic) and people where “conditioned” to see other human beings as a “means to an end” (Marxist—opposite of Christianity).

They were taught to think in terms of a Collective —you eliminate the useless eaters-—to get rid of individualism, through the Prussian system.

They were just going along with the masses and what they were taught—Ideology MATTERS. Certain cultures are OK with evil acts. All history proves it. That is why the Founders hated democracies and loved Christian Ideology which is based on Reason and Faith (because of St. Thomas Aquinas who used Reason and Faith which was “reasoned”) . Germans were ruled by emotion, never “intellect’ (Reason). They used Reason to justify Evil.

It was easy for the Germans to not “help” and “look the other way” because character had been beat out of them in the Prussian school system and by their toxic culture which glorified evil and dysfunction. Homosexuality was the National Vice of Germany in the late 1800’s and early 1900’s and all their entertainment by 1919 was vile and vulgar and degraded human beings.


12 posted on 03/02/2013 1:58:50 PM PST by savagesusie (Right Reason According to Nature = Just Law)
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To: Revolting cat!

They are too busy learning how the US was the only place to ever have slavery and that it ended in 2008 or something.

People are sheep


13 posted on 03/02/2013 1:59:02 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: the scotsman

And never forget that Obama’s good buddy has admitted to helping the Nazis and personally benefitting from the assets belonging to the Jews he sent off to be murdered.


14 posted on 03/02/2013 2:01:05 PM PST by ryderann
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To: savagesusie

bump


15 posted on 03/02/2013 2:01:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: the scotsman

My mother was sent to a working farm when she refused to join the party. I used to think she should have just joined and given lip service, but she said she couldn’t do that. It took a long time for me to understand that kind of defiance. And now she’s distraught at what is happening here.


16 posted on 03/02/2013 2:02:55 PM PST by griswold3 (Big Government does not tolerate rivals.)
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To: the scotsman
more than six million Jews were killed.

Looks like some inflation here. The claimed number used to be 6 million (actual numbers probably closer to 5 to 5.5 million). But as usual, no mention of the equal number on non-Jews killed in the camps.

17 posted on 03/02/2013 2:03:56 PM PST by PAR35
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To: the scotsman
During Hitler's brutal reign of Nazi Germany, more than six million Jews were killed.

Yeah ... when I was a kid, 'everybody knew' that Hitler and his National Socialist thugs killed 6 million Jews and 5.5 million gentiles. Then somewhere along the line, the 5.5 million gentiles got shoved down the memory hole. I'm glad to see the National Socialists again getting full blame for their crimes.

18 posted on 03/02/2013 2:07:49 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard

Gotta have the monopoly for suffering!


19 posted on 03/02/2013 2:09:20 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Bad things are wrong! Ice cream is delicious!)
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To: griswold3

my dad was a civilian child in a Jap concentration camp. He lived in the European section of Tsingtao China when the the Japanese invaded. He and my uncle never “got over it” although they got freed by the Americans after 3 years. Weiheisen is the name of it. Japanese took their house, all their stuff, killed their dog.


20 posted on 03/02/2013 2:14:13 PM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: FreeAtlanta

You should have listed whites as well, it is planned to make whites a minority here and America is chock full of racial laws, resentments and revenge seekers.


21 posted on 03/02/2013 2:14:44 PM PST by Andrei Bulba (No Obama, no way)
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To: the scotsman

A very moving movie centered around the Holocaust is The Boy In the Striped Pajamas. I highly recommend it. Contraindicated for young children.


22 posted on 03/02/2013 2:16:37 PM PST by randita
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To: randita; the scotsman
A very moving movie centered around the Holocaust is The Boy In the Striped Pajamas. I highly recommend it. Contraindicated for young children.

I've seen it and it is a very sobering, very tragic movie.

For the Holocaust from an adult perspective, I recommend The Pianist. Also very good (and from an adolescent perspective) is Fateless, a Hungarian movie.

23 posted on 03/02/2013 2:22:58 PM PST by thecodont
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To: the scotsman
Fiorello LaGuardia’s sister was in a Nazi camp and wrote about her experience, a most interesting book!
24 posted on 03/02/2013 2:22:58 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: the scotsman
Fiorello LaGuardia’s sister was in a Nazi camp and wrote about her experience, a most interesting book!
25 posted on 03/02/2013 2:23:55 PM PST by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: randita
The Boy In the Striped Pajamas

Very good movie that didn't get a lot of acclaim. The story, writing and filming of the movie was top shelf.

26 posted on 03/02/2013 2:24:18 PM PST by vetvetdoug
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To: GeronL
People seem to keep forgetting they killed more than just jewish people at these camps

And over 50 million killed by abortion just in the US

27 posted on 03/02/2013 2:32:16 PM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: thecodont

“What I find even more horrifying is the amount of local help the Nazis had in exterminating the Jewish population.”

And a lot of it was from other Jews (can you say George Soros). But then you look at the FUBO administration and you will likely find that Jews comprise a large percentage of his “close associates.” and then there’s the ACLU which is largely run by Marxist Jewish Lawyers. Decent Jews should be repulsed by these people, but then most of them are called Israeli’s!


28 posted on 03/02/2013 2:57:49 PM PST by vette6387
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When the scumbags come for your guns, first give them the lead.


29 posted on 03/02/2013 3:08:49 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: FatherofFive

We’re up to 55 million.

That’s just the reported. And it doesn’t include abortions by abortifacient birth control pill.

We here in America are making Hitler look like an amateur.

History will not be kind to us.


30 posted on 03/02/2013 3:10:21 PM PST by stanne
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To: Revolting cat!

Allegedly, 270 million by Islam since its inception.


31 posted on 03/02/2013 3:10:30 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: thecodont

ditto....
as well as the swastikas hanging in most of the churches in that day, with the clergy shaking hands with Hitler


32 posted on 03/02/2013 3:11:00 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: the scotsman

Look at the comments. Leftists (er, now “progressives”) want to move on. A comment that dismissed this story with “who cares?” go over 200 thumbs up.


33 posted on 03/02/2013 3:12:55 PM PST by theBuckwheat
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To: savagesusie

most interesting post


34 posted on 03/02/2013 3:13:07 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: savagesusie

How right you are. This indoctrination of our children into the idea that evil is something for which to strive is the root that is rotting our nation... IMHO


35 posted on 03/02/2013 3:18:13 PM PST by Wneighbor (conservation, it's a conservative thing, not a green thing)
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To: the scotsman

Amazing what transpired in 12 short years.

Hitler’s Socialism no doubt had its minions and henchmen in wait not unlike the aggressive cult of leftwingers we see today.


36 posted on 03/02/2013 3:19:34 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: thecodont
I can’t bear to watch such historical (real) evil movies like those about nazi germany. It litterally makes me nauseous.
37 posted on 03/02/2013 3:19:55 PM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: theBuckwheat

Every so often, some newspaper or other MSM outlet rediscovers the Holocaust.(Usually British, they love to pretend they won 2 world wars single-handed) Fortunately, most people know more about history than the average reporter. I look forward to some enterprising reporter rediscovering “The Gulag Archepeligo” as though he’s found the Holy Grail. Not likely.


38 posted on 03/02/2013 3:20:52 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: theBuckwheat

Your assessment of the response to the article is wrong.


40 posted on 03/02/2013 3:28:57 PM PST by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: Taggart_D

Stop. The Catholic Shurch did not work with Hitler.

What are you doing now to assist in stopping abortion?

I knew Holocaust survivors and I helped them in my capacity. Saw tattoos hand scraped onto people’s arms. Listened to their stories at night when they couldn
t sleep.

BTW Catholic priests and nuns numbered many in the Holocaust. Read Edith Stein’s story as well as Maximillian Kolbe’s.

The study of the Holocaust takes the place plus another six months of slavery study takes the place of an entire year of english study in the 8th grade at my local middle school.

Knowing history of literature is not considered important, when it is everything, in reality. People behave badly throughtout history. Hitler was one of the worst. Stalin gets no attention.

all of this disproportionate attention is given in great part to avoid looking inward.

The United States is currently up to 55 million reported murder of innocents through abortion.

I suggest that if one is not on record as having fought hard against that, they will look pretty bad in the history reports.

The Catholic Church stands frimly against it and IT will still look bad in comparison.

Furture generations will be not disgusted but truly horrified if we are allowed to survive this.


41 posted on 03/02/2013 3:29:03 PM PST by stanne
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To: GeronL

I always thought 6 million was too few—always thought 7 to 8 million was more accurate. Yes, lots of folks were murdered by the Nazi’s just as lots of folks were killed by Mao and Stalin. The whole of the tragedy needs to be seen —not just the role of Jews.


42 posted on 03/02/2013 3:32:31 PM PST by Forward the Light Brigade (Into the Jaws of H*ll)
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To: the scotsman

bump


43 posted on 03/02/2013 3:42:13 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (Viva Christo Rey)
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To: hunosehu

It’s a tactic BO uses effectively. Finger pointing.

Selfish societies earn evil leaders. The society in the US points the finger so readily that many who wouldn’t normally do so don’t even know they’re doing it.


44 posted on 03/02/2013 3:43:53 PM PST by stanne
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To: All

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NN0vkSO9n8Y


45 posted on 03/02/2013 3:45:25 PM PST by Rodney Dangerfield ("I can see unhinged liberal media madness from my house!")
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To: ArrogantBustard
somewhere along the line, the 5.5 million gentiles got shoved down the memory hole.

This was happening by the 1980s.

46 posted on 03/02/2013 3:48:12 PM PST by newzjunkey (bah)
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To: stanne

Weelllll technically....the pope signed a treaty early on with Hilter (review link below)

http://www.dw.de/saving-the-last-nazi-church/a-1975382

Many Nazi-era buildings have been preserved and are still in use today. Berlin’s Olympic Stadium, for example, was designed by Hitler’s favorite architect, Albert Speer in 1936, and the Nazi’s central bank is now used by the foreign ministry. But the church presents a trickier problem because it clearly shows that churches collaborated with the Nazis more than is commonly acknowledged.

Initially, the Catholic Church cooperated with Hitler after Pope Pius XI signed a treaty with him in 1933. But that collapsed in 1937 when Hitler began putting Catholic clergy on trial after the pontiff issued a statement of concern because of years of Nazi interference.

Meanwhile, Hitler appointed Ludwig Müller as the Reich’s Bishop to lead a movement of Protestant National Socialists called the “German Christians,” also known as the “Storm troopers of Jesus.” Soon after, Hitler tried to force Protestant churches to join the Reich’s Protestant Church, which promoted an “Aryan Jesus” and wanted to replace the bible with “Mein Kampf.”

Neither the Protestant or the Catholic Church officially opposed the Nazi policies towards Jews.

As parishioners were increasingly turning towards National Socialism, some church officials gave in so that they could keep their churches intact and help others such as members of the Confessional Church, organized by dissident Protestant clergy.

“They preached inner resistance and said that was better than being jailed,” said Klein. “Some people were even braver.”

People such as Pastor Max Kurzreiter of the Martin Luther Memorial Church who helped people being persecuted by the Nazis. He married the writer Jochen Klepper and his Jewish wife Johanna in the church in 1938 — something that was illegal at the time. Klepper, his wife and daughter killed themselves in 1942 rather than face deportation.


47 posted on 03/02/2013 3:51:07 PM PST by Taggart_D
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To: griswold3

Mark for later


48 posted on 03/02/2013 3:56:10 PM PST by sport
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To: the scotsman
A lot of “progressives” want a holocaust-of adults-in America on the grounds that earth needs to be “protected” from “climate deniers” or because earth is “over-populated” or because those who don't buy into trans-humanism are an obstacle to the supposed utopia that trans-humanist paganism hopes will come about. All ideas seem to emanate from a personified evil, and point towards violence in our future.
49 posted on 03/02/2013 3:56:34 PM PST by Missouri gal
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To: Taggart_D

Go ahead drag the Church into this.

Sigh.

A swastika in most churches, you say?

Look. At the March for Life DC rally, numbers rise annually (Jan)

It is mostly young adults. THe average age is 22 and the numers are in the 500,000 range.

These people are the ones and their children who are going to have to clean up this mess the baby boomers are causing.

They are going to be plenty pissed. They are certainly not giving up.

Tehy are not cynical and they know all about Hitler and many aree Catholic.

Finger pointing is not what they are about.

Are you helping them?

They are going to owe a ton of money to the Chinese.

THEY are.

How are we helping them?


50 posted on 03/02/2013 3:58:54 PM PST by stanne
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