Posted on 03/07/2013 4:39:58 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
My family owns numerous multi-unit housing and over the years one of the biggest tenant complaints was tenants in adjoining units smoking.
Now we have a complete non smoking policy in all of our buildings and that policy has permitted us to increase rents and decrease maintenance costs. Banning smoking was one of the best decisions we ever made.
However, the state should never force such a decision on owners or renters.
This is just proposed as of now but ironically the Sandra Day O Connor SCOTUS ruled that same-sex sodomy laws are unconstitutional because they violate ‘right to privacy’ and have no overwhelming positive purpose (a dangerous totally subjective criteria for a court to use.)
Yet notice that smoking in private does NOT have the similar protection.
Much as I hate cigarette smoke, I like the nanny staters even less. Libs- can’t live with ‘em, can’t kill ‘em.
“I am. I’ve known cases of people being horribly burned or killed because some clown three or four units over went to sleep with a cigarette in his mouth. Nobody deserves to die for that sort of reason.”
Many fires are started by electrical failures, let’s ban electricity from homes! Space heaters are another cause of fires, we better ban them too! No one deserves to die by being burned up as a result of someone elses desires for electrical conveniences or their desire to be warm! Wow, this totalatarian mindset is rather easy!
The idea of going through life without smoking first occurred to me when I was around 10 or 11 years old, something to do with watching half the adults in my neighborhood dying at age 50 - 55 from coughing and/or cancer if memory serves. Nonetheless over the years I've been in numerous situations in which me bieng the only person in the room not smoking was a limited asset, particularly government meetings in which everybody else was chain smoking for two hours or more, it sometimes took two or three hours for my eyes to start working again.
There are numerous things in life which I can actually sympathize with, but smoking isn't one of them. Don't ask me to feel sorry for smokers.
The liberals thank you for establishing the tools to change society. The tobacco wars have established the foundation to conduct a societal clensing of guns.
I believe in freedom, liberty and private property rights. It is clear that you don’t. Don’t fret tho, there are many a FReeper who out themselves in the tobacco threads.
I support it. Not because I dislike cigarette smoke.
I just figure that Californians deserve the government they voted for. Karma is a b!tch and I’m her mother.
Plus, there is a good chance that the majority of smokers who live in multi-family dwellings are takers and that smokers who are makers live in single family dwellings.
So this law will fall most heavily upon the food stamp using, section 8 dwelling welfare population. That thought makes me happy.
Forget the smokers - what about the owners of the buildings who are having their property rights trampled upon. If the building owner wishes to rent to smokers where is it the business of yours or the government to tell him he can't just because you don't like it?
The issue here isn't smoking or smokers. The issue is the rights of the property owner.
Thanks for the ping!
What about the rights of the makers who own the buildings who might happen to be smokers?
This isn’t about makers/takers, this is about the property rights of the building owners. If the government is the landlord, fine, but if I am the landlord it should be my choice.
If this goes through, I guarantee you it will not stay confined to the state lines of Kookiefornia.
Well, you are right that this is a fundamental attack on property rights and interference in contracts as well since they are basically invalidating rental agreements that allow smoking.
Thanks for wrecking my happy thought. It was short lived but well loved.
Sorry :-(
Yep, we are one country.
Give up on one state, you are giving up on yours.
Rich21, what state are you in?
No there are not.
And it is a stinky poo cesspool.
Don't come here.
Don't even visit, even the beaches are covered with garbage, drug syringes and the ocean water is polluted and smells so bad you can't go near the shoreline.
Don't come here, it's horrible!
Even the 1/2 of lake Tahoe that is in California is completely polluted, the Nevada side is pristine.
Whiny neighbors call the authorities--whenever they have a problem, be it smoke, loud music, the neighbor's dog, they aren't homos, whatever.
Someone will be there to kick the door down and shoot the dogs in short order.
Just imagine what you could charge in a 'smokers only' unit.
“Plus, there is a good chance that the majority of smokers who live in multi-family dwellings are takers and that smokers who are makers live in single family dwellings.”
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What an elitist bunch of crap.
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Sorry, but a large swathe of the smokers I know are receiving public assistance of one type or another.
I will add that there is an age component in that this is only true in the under 50 crowd and that older smokers 65+ seem to have worked most of their lives (but they also own their own homes).
What I see of the younger group is that they are members in the smoking, drinking, drugging, tatooed crowd that is seemingly uninterested in actual work.
http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/mm5542a1.htm
State of confusion! Actually, Texas, and we haven’t adopted one tenth the silly crap that’s been inacted in California, nor will we ever, IMHO. That’s not a “prideful” or statement meant to be a “bragg”, its just 1) a cultural thing and 2) its a money thing in that the Gov’t of Texas doesn’t have, has never had, the money the California gov’t has been able to raise. Part of that is because there’s no state income tax. The other part is that our crap legislature only meets every other year, by law. So.........they’ve only got 6 months every other year to concoct ways to rob us.
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