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Republicans for Gay Marriage? One GOP pollster thinks it’s all but inevitable.
National Review ^ | 03/13/2013 | Daniel Foster

Posted on 03/13/2013 6:50:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Jan van Lohuizen, a former George W. Bush pollster with a Ph.D. from Rice, is on a mission to show that opposition to same-sex marriage is a political and demographic dead end, propped up by a shrinking core of the old, the undereducated, and the highly churched. Bitter clingers, if you will, to the idea of traditional marriage.

“I have any number of gay friends who are Republicans, but what makes me tick is that I have concerns that this is another issue that would limit the growth of the Republican party,” van Lohuizen told me in a phone interview.

“If you believe that the government is better off if it is governed by Republicans than Democrats, you have to worry about issues that impede the growth of the party. And this is one.”

Together with Joel Benenson, former lead pollster for President Obama’s first campaign, van Lohuizen has looked at decades of polling data on gay marriage and come to some interesting conclusions in a series of memos the pair has distributed to policymakers, think tanks, and political media.

Most significant, support for gay marriage is accelerating. “We originally wrote a memo in May of 2011 that basically said that in the previous 20 years, the increase of support for gay marriage had been about 1 percent a year,” van Lohuizen told me in a phone interview. “And then somewhere around 2009 there was an increase to 4 or 5 percent. It’s like a hockey-stick curve. All of the sudden there is this elbow.” With due apologies for the “hockey stick” reference, this is certainly borne out by the shift in the fortunes of pro-gay-marriage ballot initiatives. After a decade marked by almost universal failure, all four pro-gay-marriage measures on state ballots in 2012 passed.

Second, the coalition supporting gay marriage is more broad-based than the coalition opposing it. “If you look at the crosstabs, the opposition is really concentrated in a few really small groups,” van Lohuizen says. “Evangelical whites, tea-party Republicans, older voters, and whites that do not have a college degree.” Indeed, national exit-polling data from the 2012 election shows that while support for gay marriage sits at 37 percent with voters 65 and older, 52 percent of younger voters support “freedom to marry” (the phrase strategically used in place of the slightly more loaded “marriage equality” in Benenson and van Lohuizen’s memo on the subject). Likewise, gay marriage enjoys majority support from all major religious confessions except white evangelical Protestantism — including mainline “non-evangelical” Protestants, Catholics, and Jews. And while a majority of whites without college degrees oppose gay marriage, majorities of whites with college degrees, and nonwhites of all education levels, support it.

Even among Republicans, opposition to same-sex marriage is increasingly tenuous, particularly along two axes. First, self-described tea-party Republicans oppose gay marriage 84/13, while Republicans who describe themselves as neutral toward or opposed to the Tea Party oppose gay marriage by smaller 62/34 and 52/47 splits, respectively. This is a more or less momentous split depending on how credible one finds evidence that tea-party membership is in sharp decline.

Second, and perhaps most critically, exit polling shows that 51 percent of Republicans under 30 support gay marriage in their state. If this datum alone holds, one might think, gay marriage is a fait accompli in the near to medium term. And indeed, the polls report just that feeling among the broader public: 83 percent of voters, supporters and opponents included, think that gay marriage will be legal nationally in the next five to ten years.

But is a Republican party that is broadly pro-gay-marriage an inevitability, and sooner than later? Here the data is perhaps less definitive than it looks on the surface. Consider the above datum, which shows that young Republicans support gay marriage in their state. This, of course, fails to capture a number of distinctions that most Republicans and conservatives consider important to the gay-marriage debate. Does support among young Republicans for “freedom to marry” in one’s state of residence imply support for federal intervention in the marriage question?

Many on the left who support “marriage equality” frame it as a civil-rights issue and favor a federal remedy, as they do in most civil-rights contexts. But it would be dubious to infer that the Republican respondents to the above question would favor a similar remedy, considering the relative importance Republicans and conservatives place on the principles of federalism. Likewise, I asked van Lohuizen whether any of the data he looked at distinguished between support for various other means of gay-marriage legalization — from judicial imposition to legislation to ballot referenda — that are likelier to draw out distinct responses from self-described Republicans and conservatives for similar, principled reasons.

While van Lohuizen admitted that such distinctions aren’t captured in the data that informs his memos, he referred to a survey he helped design on support for the Defense of Marriage Act (DOMA). Two questions — one on the section of DOMA that forbids the federal government from recognizing legal same-sex unions from the states, and the other on the section that denies various legal benefits afforded to spouses (such as hospital visitation) to same-sex couples — suggest that support for and opposition to same-sex marriage can and do exist apart from support for and opposition to individual principles and doctrines implicated in the gay-marriage debate.

To wit, the survey shows that while only 52 percent of respondents supported gay marriage, 59 percent believed the federal government should recognize legal same-sex unions from the states. And even larger majorities believed that the government should extend to same-sex couples various privileges and responsibilities attendant on traditional marriage:

Interestingly, while there are conservatives and Republicans who express these sorts of “cat’s out of the bag4” views on issues attendant to legalized gay marriage, there are also attempts by some gay-marriage proponents to accommodate the worries of Republicans and conservatives on the same. Here, van Lohuizen pointed to Maryland’s Question 6, which last year granted gay and lesbian couples the ability to obtain civil-marriage licenses. But the ballot question also, according to an official summary:

protects clergy from having to perform any particular marriage ceremony in violation of their religious beliefs; affirms that each religious faith has exclusive control over its own theological doctrine regarding who may marry within that faith; and provides that religious organizations and certain related entities are not required to provide goods, services, or benefits to an individual related to the celebration or promotion of marriage in violation of their religious beliefs.

It’s not crazy to think that Question 6, which passed with a narrow majority of 52.4 percent and represents the first time same-sex marriage has been legalized in the United States through a popular vote, was pushed across the finish line by such protections. Indeed, the legislative precursor to Question 6 passed the Maryland state house only after its sponsors beefed up religious protections.

In a world in which one can be against gay marriage but for its recognition, and for marriage equality but against requiring its religious recognition, it’s not enough to ask whether the Republican party is destined to wed “freedom to marry.” The truth is, it’s complicated.

— Daniel Foster is NRO’s news editor.



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To: SeekAndFind

If there were ever a crystal-clear move which would constitute an all-out divorce from my lifelong voting record for the GOP, it would be the Party caving in to the deviancy of homo marriage. I would never vote for any candidate who’s even slightly wobbly on the subject. Better to just see the country burn to the ground first.


21 posted on 03/13/2013 7:37:26 AM PDT by greene66
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To: theBuckwheat
I think Islam is the only monotheistic religion which recognizes Jesus as a prophet. Christians consider him the Son of God which is a much higher status than a mere prophet.

Obviously there are many in this forum who can speak more knowledgeably about this than I can, but I don't think it is correct to say that Jews consider Jesus a prophet.

I read a book once (in English) by a Hungarian scholar who was born Jewish, converted to Catholicism, became a priest, then re-converted back to Judaism. He was very respectful in his treatment of Jesus but obviously he was an atypical Jew himself.

22 posted on 03/13/2013 7:37:52 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SeekAndFind

This plus the immigration giveaway will put the final nail in the GOP coffin and I’m just about ready to buy a new hammer to join in the project!


23 posted on 03/13/2013 7:39:19 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind

At that point, there will be no further need of the GOP and the TEA party will become a real party.


24 posted on 03/13/2013 7:41:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Somebody has to be courageous enough to stand up to the bullies." --Dr. Ben Carson)
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To: SeekAndFind
Go ahead GOP, give in on abortion on demand, amnesty and gay marriage, you will become DemocRATS.

The Republican Party needs you like they need the plague but there is another that fits you to a tee!

25 posted on 03/13/2013 7:42:59 AM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: Obadiah
Why not compromise on abortion?

Condi Rice was pro choice, and I've seen some freepers want her on any presidential ticket.

26 posted on 03/13/2013 7:49:59 AM PDT by LouAvul
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To: miss marmelstein; SeekAndFind; Impy; AuH2ORepublican; sickoflibs; Clintonfatigued; ...
>> “Evangelical whites, tea-party Republicans, older voters, and whites that do not have a college degree. <<

>> I’m scratching my head: which one am I? Old, undereducated or highly churched (whatever that is)? Possibly all 3. <<

Hmmm. I'm Catholic, I'm not a member of any tea party organization (I generally have a favorable view of them, but they've royally screwed up some Senate races), I'm under 35, and I have a Bachelor of Arts degree, an Associate of Arts degree, and a certification in Computer Animation.

I oppose gay marriage. Always have, always will. People of the same gender living together and giving each other orgasms is NOT a "marriage"

27 posted on 03/13/2013 7:55:31 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy
RE :”(...., but they've royally screwed up some Senate races), “

LOL

Some still claim they 'lost because they ran on the RIGHT principles and that is what we need MORE of'.

28 posted on 03/13/2013 7:59:44 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: BillyBoy

the final decision, so to speak, will not be made by citizens OR legislators. The final decision will be made by know-better-than-you judges.

The same mentality of judges who declared the earth is flat, the sun circles the earth, heresey is a capital crime, and the people need a king. (also believed anything time magazine wrote)


29 posted on 03/13/2013 8:06:11 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: LouAvul
>> Why not compromise on abortion? Condi Rice was pro choice, and I've seen some freepers want her on any presidential ticket. <<

And the weird thing about that is they all CLAIM to be staunch pro-life social conservatives, but they want a liberal RINO to be a heartbeat away from the presidency. They were adamantly against having Romney on the ticket because his record on social issues was "too liberal", but they had no qualms about having someone to his LEFT as his running mate. Bizarre stuff.

I've talked it over with Rice supporters and their reasoning is that she's a "natural leader" or something (they can't demonstrate what she did at the state dept. to "lead" though, last time I checked she was a disappointment), and they seem to be confused and think the Vice President would have the role of Ambassador to Russia and be in charge of "standing up to Putin" instead of presiding over the U.S. Senate and casting tie-breaking votes (where Rice's liberal views CERTAINLY would come into play)

Never going to understand conservatives who fawn over Rice, or Donald Trump for that matter.

30 posted on 03/13/2013 8:07:33 AM PDT by BillyBoy ( Impeach Obama? Yes We Can!)
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To: BillyBoy; ding_dong_daddy_from_dumas; Gilbo_3; Impy; NFHale; fieldmarshaldj; Liz; GOPJ; AuntB; ...
RE “I oppose gay marriage. Always have, always will. People of the same gender living together and giving each other orgasms is NOT a “marriage”

But dont you know that as soon as we go along with gay’s getting married and illegals getting the vote that both groups will join the tea party and support ending medicare and social security and medicaid and food stamps and education funding and O-care while supporting cutting taxes on income earned over $1M to create 'jobs'(even though they are no-where near earning that income) ???

It could be so easy, gays and illegals are natural conservatives who only differ from us by a single issue. I learned this on The Morning Joe, and that bald Mccain 2008 campaign advisor Steve Schmidt who works for MSNBC, Michael Steele too.

Evolve (as rand paul says) dude :)

31 posted on 03/13/2013 8:09:15 AM PDT by sickoflibs (O's sequester Apocalypse tour just proved why we need the 2nd amendment more than ever NOW!)
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To: SeekAndFind

this pollster believes that parties in general exist solely for the purpose of power at any cost.

it is really power for a purpose.

power for power is unsustainable and doomed to failure like this pollster.

his logic dictates juan mccain who is pro-homo marriage is president.


32 posted on 03/13/2013 8:09:28 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Obadiah

GOP = Phony baloney plastic bananas


33 posted on 03/13/2013 8:18:29 AM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: SeekAndFind

More evidence we need a spiritual revival in this nation.

As far as LAW goes, I do believe the law ought to be amended (in the states, probably) to allow ANYONE to will or be an heir to anyone else....I have recently heard the lack of “equality” in inheritance law as being WHY sodomy must be celebrated as “marriage”....

Holy Matrimony does not include sodomy or any homosexuality...and so if there are inequalities in inheritance laws, those ought to be addressed. Changing the definition of marriage is not the solution—it is a major problem.


34 posted on 03/13/2013 8:19:46 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: SomeCallMeTim

we have not lost the argument. conservatives NEVER PARTICIPATED.

instead we allowed relisous zelots to inject religion into the debate and surrendered the logic and reason to the deviants.

logically two adults can enter into a cohabitation agreement
logically one male and one female are mother and father.
logically society rewards the institution not the recreational mating behavior
logically homosexual conduct provides no benefit or utility to the furtherance of society.

logically.

logically mccain screwed the voters when he allowed the joke of a flag burning amendment to be tacked onto the one man one woman is marriage constitutional amendment.


35 posted on 03/13/2013 8:21:25 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SoFloFreeper

newsflash, that is the law now.

drop the word holy and use logic.

there is no logical reason for creating special rights for a class of recreational sex practitioners.

what next? animal sex rights? swapper rights? leather fetish rights? people who dress like furry animals rights?

marriage is about society not recreation. homosexuality is ONLY about recreation. there is no constitutional right natural, implied or written to recreating with the genital of a member of the same gender.


36 posted on 03/13/2013 8:27:06 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: Linda Frances

Thank you for going to the trouble to find this information and post it.

These two people are GLBT hacks, working for Big Gay and determined to push their agenda.

Since the gay organizations have hundreds of millions of dollars, they can hire the best PR flacks and pay them high salaries to work full time, doing fake polls like this, hand them to reporters, and do lazy reporters’ work for them. Nice work if you can get it.


37 posted on 03/13/2013 8:43:16 AM PDT by squarebarb ( Fairy tales are basically true.)
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To: SoFloFreeper
More evidence we need a spiritual revival in this nation.

As far as LAW goes, I do believe the law ought to be amended (in the states, probably) to allow ANYONE to will or be an heir to anyone else....I have recently heard the lack of “equality” in inheritance law as being WHY sodomy must be celebrated as “marriage”....

Holy Matrimony does not include sodomy or any homosexuality...and so if there are inequalities in inheritance laws, those ought to be addressed. Changing the definition of marriage is not the solution—it is a major problem.


Why is it that the left insists separation of state and church, EXCEPT with marriage. Marriage was not invention by any government. If anyone researches “marriage” they will find its beginnings were religious. The first historic mention of marriage was in the Bible/Torah. The left does not want equality in marriage. They want to refine it and destroy it because they know the family created by God is what keeps this nation strong.

38 posted on 03/13/2013 8:57:29 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: SeekAndFind

“the highly churched...”

That’s a new one.


39 posted on 03/13/2013 10:04:55 AM PDT by Road Glide
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To: longtermmemmory
we have not lost the argument. conservatives NEVER PARTICIPATED.

You don't have to participate to LOSE... and, we've lost.

Your *logic* doesn't hold up any more... with the advent of modern fertility treatments, homo couples can ALSO have children.. and, they do!

And, plenty of hetero couples either can't, or choose NOT to have children. Yet, we allow them to marry and have all the benefits.

It just boggles my mind that we even HAVE to HAVE such a discussion about something as fundamental to society as Marriage... but, alas... this is the world we live in today.

40 posted on 03/13/2013 10:20:49 AM PDT by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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