Skip to comments.Family’s Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child’s Rifle (NJ)
Posted on 03/20/2013 11:34:18 PM PDT by neverdem
New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.
Someone called family services about the photo, said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids. Moore was not arrested or charged.
This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid. A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.
The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline, spokesperson Kristen Brown said. We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.
The story was first reported by The Blaze.
Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.
He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the states hunter safety course...
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In Texas you can bring 9 year olds to the shooting range and even have birthday parties there. There is nothing even remotely alarming about this pic to me.
Thanks for the pics!
It is much the same in any jurisdiction.
Remember this, and if things get ugly, you know where to drop a dime from a non-traceable phone on the opposition.
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follow up every single allegation?
OMG Joe Blow has a picture of something obviously legal on his Facebook! Go sick’em!
Truly appreciate the explanation.
People should keep in mind that Facebook is like taking out a full page ad in the newspaper. I would not doubt that those who dislike an individual's stance on any issue are mining social media they can access for things to use against political adversaries in order to neutralize them.
Interrupt a public statement or press release with the yadda yadda about how the speaker was investigated for child abuse and those who don't know the backstory might dismiss the speaker or any point they might bring up. At the very least it will cast doubt on the veracity of the individual.
Unfortunately, the accusations can be made anonymously, which makes certain that any political motivations are screened by that anonymity.
(Alinsky, writ large, the mere accusation becomes the equivalent of bringing up an arrest record in court--even though there were no convictions, it still makes the defendant look like a career criminal.)
Meanwhile, Camden, Trenton, Newark, Elizabeth, Paterson . . . all no-touchy there.
This is Aubhefung der Familie in action. The actual shedders of blood are ignored. Talk about twisted priorities.
But, yes, they are required by law in many jurisdictions to follow up on any complaint. You haven't lived until that BS has been aimed at you.
BTW, if the Social Workers think they need more caseload, they will lie to take a run at you. If you find yourself in that position, get a lawyer with teeth and don't talk to the Social Serpents. Anything you say will be distorted to look like a violation of the rules they seem to make up as they go along. Those rules are highly subjective, and the wisp of a rumor is treated by them as Gospel.
The photo is owned by the kid’s father who took it and put it on facebook, right?
so has he said anything about it being made public by media and others?
Uh, Mz. Stupid Ho Obama Voter, maam? I'd have to review the law in question, but I'm reasonably certain it doesn't mandate that you violate the fourth and fifth amendments every time you get an unsolicited and unverified tip. So actually, I guess that "statement" you just made was in reality just a case of oxygen theft on your part then, huh? Since it contained absolutely NO justification for the events you were being asked about?
good posts! gotta keep them Gov’t jobs even if it means lies to gin up a flagging caseload and bored policemen conducting a SWAT style raid instead of simply calling the man down to the police station to clear it up. He should sue their butts off!
Yes, he should. If the incident is referenced in the future, having won even a token settlement would be a great rebuttal to whomever brought up the incident.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.
AFAIK, they came to his door and asked questions. They did not have a warrant and did not force entry. They went away when he refused to cooperate with their enquiry.
Saying they "raided the home" seems a little over-excited.
What is the penalty for false allegations?
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Unfortunately the photo you uploaded to the photo-hosting site imgur and then posted here, which you attributed the photo to CBS News, coincidentally is also attributed as an Associated Press photo on the same CBS news site itself.
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This undated photo provided by Shawn Moore shows his son Josh, 11, holding a rifle his father gave him as a birthday present, at their home in Carneys Point, N.J. / AP PHOTO
Sadly there is no penalty for even false allegations when it come to child abuse.
But that still doesnt mean the police and Child services can braek the law as they did in this case.
They almost kidnapped a kid.
He MUST sue the officers, the Child Services and their supervisors.
No doubt they have broken laws in the past as well.
All previous cases of any involved need to be reexamined.
In the original post on the fun message board, this dad explained his actions when the thugs broke into his home. He came home and put his phone into the first officer’s face he saw, with his attorney on the end of the line. Those officers got the hell it of the house immediately. They wouldn’t I’d themselves or anything. He was on the ball.
A perfect tool for political groups to use against parents who think the wrong way
I do not object to you doing your job and interpreting the rules. However, you did bounce me off of the site so that I had to log in again. What’s up with that?
A good thread on this story is here:
Police State Raids Familys Home: The Fight Has Officially Been Brought To My Front Door
Lots of quotes from the dad.
In the original post on the fun message board, this dad explained his actions when the thugs broke into his home. He came home and put his phone into the first officers face he saw, with his attorney on the end of the line. Those officers got the hell it of the house immediately. They wouldnt Id themselves or anything. He was on the ball....
There should be a taped recording of EVERY single office that responded to that call somewhere in the police depts. records. That is the evidence need. Additionally, there should also be a “log” of which CPA was the also there.
I’m not a lawyer but, I would get access to those records and then start my lawsuits. This might make the home owner a bit of nice change from the city coffers. Where’s a “GOOD” lawyer when ya need one?
They intimidated his wife while he was gone to gain entry. The Family Protected Services types often lie to gain entry. He had to have his lawyer on the line to force them out of the house.
They threatened to take his children if he did not comply with their demands.
This is hardly “they went away when he refused to cooperate with their enquiry.
This is they tried every immoral and unethical ploy to enforce their will without absolutely and clearly violating the law.
They knew this, and the “social worker” ran from having her picture taken and would not giver her name.
Some assembly required
My kids all can handle a real AR15 and other rifles, and I did have a Facebook account, but no more as it has morphed into nothing more than a very successful socialized monitoring and intel gathering website being used by those with power to disrupt Americans and the restrictions of Liberty.
Hitler would have had wet dreams 24/7 if he had Facebook in his day. Or Stalin, or Mussolini.
the ONLY suggestions I have about Facebook is to use it for misleading propaganda, feed it false intel, use it when we need to mislead the domestic enemies in America. That is when it can be a very goot tool.
How many times has this poor family’s home been raided in the past three days? At least a dozen times from what I’ve read on FR...
Agreed — I am slowly coming around to getting off my FB, or just severely restricting whom I post to.
WHOM among this man’s so-called “friends” turned him in? Or did Facebook operatives turn him in? It’s too easy for pictures to circulate where they aren’t supposed to.
it could have been just some democrat who randomly happened to see his facebook while looking for prey as democrats do
uh...how does Fox News “copyright” a Facebook photo?
it could have been just some democrat who randomly happened to see his facebook while looking for prey as democrats do government is out of control and must be reduced to almost nothing , just the military and border control is all these morons in gov should be allowed to do . but to a democrat government a democrat trusts government idiots with its life , amazing
We don’t have a state called New Jersy.
At least we have seemed to solved the “stick them all in breaking news” problem.
No government agent should have the right or even the expectation of remaining anonymous when acting under color of authority.
“If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, no?”
i use it daily for posting anti govt articles only
For once, a story like this has a happy ending. The home owner, who knew his Fourth Amendment rights, faced down the cops, ignored their threats, and kicked them out of his house.
Lots of lucky people here, who never had it close up with Child Protectors.
They might want to try posting some fiction to Facebook — I trust that is still legal? — with their kids’ photos (no kids? make some up) showing the little dears engaged in some legal activity with guns. Then sit back and wait for someone to rat them out to Child Protection Racket.
Experience is the best teacher.
Even if you don’t have kids, you will have an unforgettable story to tell, and possibly some scars and dead pets.
This current victim is a firearms instructor with a handy lawyer; he got his eyes opened less painfully than most.
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