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Family’s Home Raided over Facebook Photo of Child’s Rifle (NJ)
Fox News ^ | Mar 19, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 03/20/2013 11:34:18 PM PDT by neverdem

New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

“Someone called family services about the photo,” said Evan Nappen, an attorney representing Shawn Moore. “It led to an incredible, heavy-handed raid on his house. They wanted to see his gun safe, his guns and search his house. They even threatened to take his kids.” Moore was not arrested or charged.

This is the Facebook photo that led to the police raid. A Dept. of Children and Families spokesperson told Fox News they could not confirm or deny an investigation or raid had taken place due to government regulations.

“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

The story was first reported by The Blaze.

Moore, of Carneys Point, is a certified firearms instructor for the National Rifle Association, an NRA range safety officer and a New Jersey hunter education instructor.

He recently posted a photograph of his son wearing camouflage and holding his new .22 rifle. The child has a New Jersey hunting license and recently passed the state’s hunter safety course...

(Excerpt) Read more at radio.foxnews.com ...


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1 posted on 03/20/2013 11:34:19 PM PDT by neverdem
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To: Coleus; jocon307; Alberta's Child; Pharmboy; Calpernia; Malsua; dead; nj26; OldFriend; Clemenza; ...
BANG!
2 posted on 03/20/2013 11:37:48 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: JoeProBono

In Texas you can bring 9 year olds to the shooting range and even have birthday parties there. There is nothing even remotely alarming about this pic to me.


5 posted on 03/20/2013 11:41:17 PM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: JoeProBono

Thanks for the pics!


6 posted on 03/20/2013 11:47:41 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: neverdem

7 posted on 03/20/2013 11:57:13 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: neverdem
“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

It is much the same in any jurisdiction.

Remember this, and if things get ugly, you know where to drop a dime from a non-traceable phone on the opposition.

9 posted on 03/21/2013 12:03:48 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem; JoeProBono
Thanks for the pics!

We're sorry for any inconvenience, but unfortunately we had to remove the posted photos because they were published by Fox News. Copyright restrictions require all material from Fox News be excerpted.

Thanks.

10 posted on 03/21/2013 12:05:05 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Smokin' Joe

follow up every single allegation?

OMG Joe Blow has a picture of something obviously legal on his Facebook! Go sick’em!


11 posted on 03/21/2013 12:05:19 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: BuckeyeTexan

Ping!


12 posted on 03/21/2013 12:09:05 AM PDT by NYTexan
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To: Admin Moderator

Thank you.

Truly appreciate the explanation.


13 posted on 03/21/2013 12:09:08 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JoeProBono
Well, he looks like a happy kid!

People should keep in mind that Facebook is like taking out a full page ad in the newspaper. I would not doubt that those who dislike an individual's stance on any issue are mining social media they can access for things to use against political adversaries in order to neutralize them.

Interrupt a public statement or press release with the yadda yadda about how the speaker was investigated for child abuse and those who don't know the backstory might dismiss the speaker or any point they might bring up. At the very least it will cast doubt on the veracity of the individual.

Unfortunately, the accusations can be made anonymously, which makes certain that any political motivations are screened by that anonymity.

(Alinsky, writ large, the mere accusation becomes the equivalent of bringing up an arrest record in court--even though there were no convictions, it still makes the defendant look like a career criminal.)

14 posted on 03/21/2013 12:11:41 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

Carney’s Point.

Meanwhile, Camden, Trenton, Newark, Elizabeth, Paterson . . . all no-touchy there.

This is Aubhefung der Familie in action. The actual shedders of blood are ignored. Talk about twisted priorities.


15 posted on 03/21/2013 12:12:34 AM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: GeronL
See post 14. I don't write the rules, or those people would be out of business.

But, yes, they are required by law in many jurisdictions to follow up on any complaint. You haven't lived until that BS has been aimed at you.

BTW, if the Social Workers think they need more caseload, they will lie to take a run at you. If you find yourself in that position, get a lawyer with teeth and don't talk to the Social Serpents. Anything you say will be distorted to look like a violation of the rules they seem to make up as they go along. Those rules are highly subjective, and the wisp of a rumor is treated by them as Gospel.

16 posted on 03/21/2013 12:16:25 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: neverdem

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2998742/posts

;)


18 posted on 03/21/2013 12:33:44 AM PDT by Daffynition (The essential American soul is hard, isolate, stoic, and a killer. It has never yet melted. — D.H.)
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To: JoeProBono

The photo is owned by the kid’s father who took it and put it on facebook, right?

so has he said anything about it being made public by media and others?


20 posted on 03/21/2013 12:49:43 AM PDT by GeronL (http://asspos.blogspot.com)
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To: neverdem
“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

Uh, Mz. Stupid Ho Obama Voter, maam? I'd have to review the law in question, but I'm reasonably certain it doesn't mandate that you violate the fourth and fifth amendments every time you get an unsolicited and unverified tip. So actually, I guess that "statement" you just made was in reality just a case of oxygen theft on your part then, huh? Since it contained absolutely NO justification for the events you were being asked about?

21 posted on 03/21/2013 12:49:55 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Smokin' Joe

good posts! gotta keep them Gov’t jobs even if it means lies to gin up a flagging caseload and bored policemen conducting a SWAT style raid instead of simply calling the man down to the police station to clear it up. He should sue their butts off!


22 posted on 03/21/2013 12:53:34 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: dennisw
He should sue their butts off!

Yes, he should. If the incident is referenced in the future, having won even a token settlement would be a great rebuttal to whomever brought up the incident.

23 posted on 03/21/2013 12:56:54 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Still Thinking

AMENDMENT IV

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.


24 posted on 03/21/2013 12:57:56 AM PDT by dennisw (too much of a good thing is a bad thing --- Joe Pine)
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To: neverdem
New Jersey police and Dept. of Children and Families officials raided the home of a firearms instructor and demanded to see his guns after he posted a Facebook photo of his 11-year-old son holding a rifle.

AFAIK, they came to his door and asked questions. They did not have a warrant and did not force entry. They went away when he refused to cooperate with their enquiry.

Saying they "raided the home" seems a little over-excited.

25 posted on 03/21/2013 12:59:29 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: neverdem
“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

What is the penalty for false allegations?

26 posted on 03/21/2013 1:01:06 AM PDT by Vince Ferrer
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"Please be advised that this is a Facebook picture republished on the web by numerous sources. Kicking me off of FR, as you have done, seems to be a bit overzealous but you're in charge."

Joe no one is kicking you off of Free Republic for your copyright violations nor for any other reason. However there are a list of copyright rules here on Free Republic, which are posted to help everyone understand the serious implications a copyright infringement lawsuit could have on Free Republic.

No disrespect to any Poster is intended nor implied whenever a Mod has to remove copyright violating photos or posts. All volunteer mods are attempting to do is prevent publishers, and in particular, those publishers who have threatened Free Republic in the past, from filing expensive copyright infringement lawsuits against Free Republic.

Unfortunately the photo you uploaded to the photo-hosting site imgur and then posted here, which you attributed the photo to CBS News, coincidentally is also attributed as an Associated Press photo on the same CBS news site itself.

Associated Press allows only excerpted material, properly attributed and linked material to be posted on Free Republic.

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-201_162-57575321/boy-with-gun-pic-causes-uproar-in-n.j/

This undated photo provided by Shawn Moore shows his son Josh, 11, holding a rifle his father gave him as a birthday present, at their home in Carneys Point, N.J. / AP PHOTO

27 posted on 03/21/2013 1:17:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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To: Vince Ferrer

Sadly there is no penalty for even false allegations when it come to child abuse.

But that still doesnt mean the police and Child services can braek the law as they did in this case.

They almost kidnapped a kid.

He MUST sue the officers, the Child Services and their supervisors.

No doubt they have broken laws in the past as well.

All previous cases of any involved need to be reexamined.


28 posted on 03/21/2013 1:18:29 AM PDT by NoLibZone (I predict the exact same Freepers will hate the GOP Candidate for: 2016,2020,2024,2028, 2032.)
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To: neverdem

In the original post on the fun message board, this dad explained his actions when the thugs broke into his home. He came home and put his phone into the first officer’s face he saw, with his attorney on the end of the line. Those officers got the hell it of the house immediately. They wouldn’t I’d themselves or anything. He was on the ball.


29 posted on 03/21/2013 1:23:14 AM PDT by Yaelle
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To: neverdem
"“The department has a child abuse hotline for the state of New Jersey and anybody can make a call to that hotline,” spokesperson Kristen Brown said. “We are required to follow up on every single allegation that comes into the central registry.”

A perfect tool for political groups to use against parents who think the wrong way

30 posted on 03/21/2013 1:26:16 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant
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To: Admin Moderator; Jim Robinson

I do not object to you doing your job and interpreting the rules. However, you did bounce me off of the site so that I had to log in again. What’s up with that?


31 posted on 03/21/2013 1:29:38 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: neverdem

A good thread on this story is here:

Police State Raids Family’s Home: “The Fight Has Officially Been Brought To My Front Door”
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2998941/posts

Lots of quotes from the dad.


32 posted on 03/21/2013 1:42:04 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: neverdem
In the original post on the fun message board, this dad explained his actions when the thugs broke into his home. He came home and put his phone into the first officer’s face he saw, with his attorney on the end of the line. Those officers got the hell it of the house immediately. They wouldn’t I’d themselves or anything. He was on the ball....

There should be a taped recording of EVERY single office that responded to that call somewhere in the police depts. records. That is the evidence need. Additionally, there should also be a “log” of which CPA was the also there.
I’m not a lawyer but, I would get access to those records and then start my lawsuits. This might make the home owner a bit of nice change from the city coffers. Where’s a “GOOD” lawyer when ya need one?


33 posted on 03/21/2013 2:55:01 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Sherman Logan; All

They intimidated his wife while he was gone to gain entry. The Family Protected Services types often lie to gain entry. He had to have his lawyer on the line to force them out of the house.

They threatened to take his children if he did not comply with their demands.

This is hardly “they went away when he refused to cooperate with their enquiry.

This is they tried every immoral and unethical ploy to enforce their will without absolutely and clearly violating the law.

They knew this, and the “social worker” ran from having her picture taken and would not giver her name.


34 posted on 03/21/2013 3:54:59 AM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: marktwain

Tar
Feathers
Bureaucrat

Some assembly required


35 posted on 03/21/2013 4:11:26 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (If you have a right / To the service I provide / I must be your slave)
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To: neverdem

My kids all can handle a real AR15 and other rifles, and I did have a Facebook account, but no more as it has morphed into nothing more than a very successful socialized monitoring and intel gathering website being used by those with power to disrupt Americans and the restrictions of Liberty.

Hitler would have had wet dreams 24/7 if he had Facebook in his day. Or Stalin, or Mussolini.

the ONLY suggestions I have about Facebook is to use it for misleading propaganda, feed it false intel, use it when we need to mislead the domestic enemies in America. That is when it can be a very goot tool.


36 posted on 03/21/2013 4:24:32 AM PDT by Eye of Unk
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To: neverdem

How many times has this poor family’s home been raided in the past three days? At least a dozen times from what I’ve read on FR...


37 posted on 03/21/2013 4:33:39 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Eye of Unk

Agreed — I am slowly coming around to getting off my FB, or just severely restricting whom I post to.

WHOM among this man’s so-called “friends” turned him in? Or did Facebook operatives turn him in? It’s too easy for pictures to circulate where they aren’t supposed to.


38 posted on 03/21/2013 4:33:59 AM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Eye of Unk
Posting all this crap to Facebook is a form of exhibitionism. I think they are fools. As are people who continue to live in places like New Jersy.
39 posted on 03/21/2013 4:57:13 AM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: LibsRJerks
Didn't have to be a friend.

it could have been just some democrat who randomly happened to see his facebook while looking for prey as democrats do

40 posted on 03/21/2013 4:59:21 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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uh...how does Fox News “copyright” a Facebook photo?


41 posted on 03/21/2013 4:59:24 AM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: LibsRJerks
who turned him in ? Didn't have to be a friend.

it could have been just some democrat who randomly happened to see his facebook while looking for prey as democrats do government is out of control and must be reduced to almost nothing , just the military and border control is all these morons in gov should be allowed to do . but to a democrat government a democrat trusts government idiots with its life , amazing

42 posted on 03/21/2013 5:01:43 AM PDT by Democrat_media (media makes mass shooters household names to create more & take our guns)
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To: beef

We don’t have a state called New Jersy.


43 posted on 03/21/2013 5:09:54 AM PDT by billhilly
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To: Yo-Yo

At least we have seemed to solved the “stick them all in breaking news” problem.


44 posted on 03/21/2013 5:15:20 AM PDT by T. P. Pole
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To: Democrat_media
Site hosting companies seem very eager ti turn over their logs to the government even without a warrant. I wonder if his lawyer could do the same to get a list of everyone who viewed his page in the days before this accusation was made. There may be laws preventing child services from turning over the phone logs even under subpoena, but I doubt that those laws cover Facebook.
45 posted on 03/21/2013 5:17:36 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Choose one: the yellow and black flag of the Tea Party or the white flag of the Republican Party.)
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46 posted on 03/21/2013 5:18:53 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Are all journalists ignorant or are they trained to be so?)
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To: marktwain

No government agent should have the right or even the expectation of remaining anonymous when acting under color of authority.

“If you’re doing nothing wrong, you have nothing to hide, no?”


47 posted on 03/21/2013 5:20:25 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: Eye of Unk

i use it daily for posting anti govt articles only


48 posted on 03/21/2013 5:23:35 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (hump scratching n'er do well.....all strung out on chicken wings and venison jerky)
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To: neverdem

For once, a story like this has a happy ending. The home owner, who knew his Fourth Amendment rights, faced down the cops, ignored their threats, and kicked them out of his house.


49 posted on 03/21/2013 6:24:29 AM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: neverdem

Lots of lucky people here, who never had it close up with Child Protectors.

They might want to try posting some fiction to Facebook — I trust that is still legal? — with their kids’ photos (no kids? make some up) showing the little dears engaged in some legal activity with guns. Then sit back and wait for someone to rat them out to Child Protection Racket.

Experience is the best teacher.

Even if you don’t have kids, you will have an unforgettable story to tell, and possibly some scars and dead pets.

This current victim is a firearms instructor with a handy lawyer; he got his eyes opened less painfully than most.


50 posted on 03/21/2013 6:31:52 AM PDT by HomeAtLast ( You're either with the Tea Party, or you're with the EBT Party.)
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