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Gun deaths shaped by race in America
Washington Post ^ | 3/22/2013

Posted on 03/24/2013 3:45:40 AM PDT by Altura Ct.

Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.

The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis of data from the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.

Where a person lives matters, too. Gun deaths in urban areas are much more likely to be homicides, while suicide is far and away the dominant form of gun death in rural areas. States with the most guns per capita, such as Montana and Wyoming, have the highest suicide rates; states with low gun ownership rates, such as Massachusetts and New York, have far fewer suicides per capita.

Suicides and homicides are highly charged human dramas. Both acts shatter families, friends and sometimes communities. But the reactions are as different as black and white, and those differences shape the nation’s divided attitudes toward gun control.

For instance, African Americans tend to be stronger backers of tough gun controls than whites. A Washington Post-ABC News poll this month found that about three-quarters of blacks support stronger controls, compared with about half of whites. The poll also found that two-thirds of city dwellers support stronger gun controls, while only about a third of rural residents back them.

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1 posted on 03/24/2013 3:45:40 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.
unusual for the Post the numbers are pret'near correct ~ this, BTW, has been known for more than a century. Blacks kill each other, and Whites kill themselves.

Except for political correctness we'd know the reasons. Call your county coroner for his theory.

2 posted on 03/24/2013 3:50:09 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altura Ct.

“Gun deaths shaped by race in America”

Shaped by race?

Between 1976-2005 per DOJ statistics, blacks represented 12% of the total US population yet accounted for 52.2% of all homicides.

That is more than “shaped”. That is a national epidemic.


3 posted on 03/24/2013 3:55:48 AM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Altura Ct.
'The statistical difference is dramatic, according to a Washington Post analysis ...
86.434% of all statistics are made up on the spot.

4 posted on 03/24/2013 3:58:02 AM PDT by Condor51 (Si vis pacem, para bellum.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I’m having a real hard time believing any of that carp. Sounds like made-up stats, to fit their ‘gun-grabber agenda’, once again. Blech.


5 posted on 03/24/2013 4:01:00 AM PDT by carriage_hill (The most insidious power the news media has, is the power to ignore.)
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To: Altura Ct.

I wonder if there are any stats for other continents, not guns but clubs, machetes etc.


6 posted on 03/24/2013 4:09:49 AM PDT by Einherjar
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To: Red in Blue PA
52.2% of all homicides.

As victims or as the perp?

7 posted on 03/24/2013 4:13:09 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: ASA Vet

What were the statistics for blacks that shot people other than themselves though? Why isn’t that mentioned?...(rhetorical question)


8 posted on 03/24/2013 4:16:34 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: carriage_hill
Solution to the problem: disarm all blacks of firearms, and impose harsh penalties for possession. That should do it for the murder rate from guns. /S

However, murder rates by machete will rise significantly.

9 posted on 03/24/2013 4:17:35 AM PDT by ibytoohi (What the hell has happened to my country?)
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To: jsanders2001

Or should I say black on white gun crime


10 posted on 03/24/2013 4:19:19 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Altura Ct.
In other words--and I'm sure the wankers at the Washington Compost don't get this even though it's their article--the guns aren't the determining factor. The people are. Gun control can't fix stupidity.
11 posted on 03/24/2013 4:25:23 AM PDT by hitkicker (The only thing worse than a politician is a child molester)
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To: ibytoohi
disarm all blacks of firearms, and impose harsh penalties for possession.

How do you propose to determine blackness?
Few American negros are truly that anymore. Even your Usurper in Chief is less than a half-ling.

12 posted on 03/24/2013 4:27:32 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: ASA Vet

“How do you propose to determine blackness?”

Those who grew up in a single mother household?


13 posted on 03/24/2013 4:30:58 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Altura Ct.
African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else

I feel bad for the victims. But, tell me, what does the "someone else" look like?

14 posted on 03/24/2013 4:32:15 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The ballot box is a sham. Nothing will change until after the war.)
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To: babygene
I assume you meant 'single parent household' rather than separated lesbian mommy's?
15 posted on 03/24/2013 4:36:33 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: hitkicker
Exactly - even though this is a gun control hit piece - the statistics clearly point out the disproportional race component. More than 10 to 1.

Even though they are vague with comments like African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else."

(Who would that 'someone else' be?) I am actually surprised the Post printed this.

16 posted on 03/24/2013 4:39:27 AM PDT by Altura Ct.
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To: Altura Ct.

Interesting, but missing a key figure. What are the suicide and homocide rates rates for both groups.

From the information presented so far the suicide rates could be the same for black and white populations. Which would leave you with very UN-PC conclusion.


17 posted on 03/24/2013 4:47:08 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ASA Vet

“I assume you meant ‘single parent household’ rather than separated lesbian mommy’s?”

No, I meant single mother. I don’t think most boys being raised with there father are damaged to the same extent that they are by being raised by a single mother.


18 posted on 03/24/2013 4:49:01 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Altura Ct.

“A white person is five times as likely to commit suicide with a gun as to be shot with a gun; for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.”

It is racism to consider any facts that cast blacks in a bad light or that doesn’t advance the liberal (er, “progressive”) agenda.


19 posted on 03/24/2013 4:50:11 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: Altura Ct.

Well aren’t these statistics just special. Let me see if I can interpret them correctly. This means that if we take all guns away from all blacks and leave all the guns with all whites, the crime rate goes down significantly and dramatically. Since suicide is not a crime and since the rate of blacks killing blacks is like 98.5% (just made that up like the Post does) then the crime rate should drop by 97.6%. Amazing what you can do with statistics!


20 posted on 03/24/2013 4:50:36 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Altura Ct.
Gun deaths shaped by race in America

It's not the gun, it's the culture. In this case it's culture where one murders an unborn child because it might disrupt "American Idol".

When you embrace a culture where "life is cheap" your own is worth only as much as the value you place on others.

The gun is just a tool used to realize this evil, to imply it is the cause of it is unfathomable ignorance. Yet this is what we have come to expect from the left and they have never disappointed us on it.

21 posted on 03/24/2013 4:53:49 AM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Altura Ct.

What it deliberately didn’t say is the race of the people who kill Blacks. Do they want the reader to conclude that it’s Whites?


22 posted on 03/24/2013 4:57:00 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Of the black population that commits 52 percent of the murders, 4 percent are black males between 15 and 60 years of age. So 4 percent of the population commits probably 45+ percent of the homicides in the USA, year after year.

And Many are convicted felons who cant legally have a gun in the first place.

Despite the headline of the article, The Washington Post goes out of their way to avoid revealing the central issue on guns and race. Orwellian is the operative word here.


23 posted on 03/24/2013 5:00:35 AM PDT by Uncle Lonny
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To: I want the USA back

Yes.


24 posted on 03/24/2013 5:02:23 AM PDT by sport
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To: Altura Ct.

Poor little Treyvons all over the country are being killed by all these guns walking around. Lost in the article is who’s doing all these shootings.


25 posted on 03/24/2013 5:06:18 AM PDT by demshateGod (The fool hath said in his heart, There is no God.)
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To: Altura Ct.

“A Washington Post-ABC News poll this month found that about three-quarters of blacks support stronger controls, compared with about half of whites.”

BWAHAHAHAHAHA! This is the most laughable quote of the whole article. Do you think the Post stopped and asked themselves WHY blacks might support stronger gun control? I think we all know the REAL answer to that!


26 posted on 03/24/2013 5:06:49 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Triple

ok - the key figures were in the full article.

The homicide rate for blacks is 10 times the rate for whites even though gun ownership is dramatically lower among blacks. So, the gun control laws in the cities are an utter failure at keeping down “gun deaths” in black populations.

Although gun control laws may have a slight impact on white suicide (by gun). There is no overall suicide rate given. So we don’t know if whites just choose another method.


27 posted on 03/24/2013 5:10:44 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ImNotLying

WOW! Those strict gun control laws in Chicago have sure made a difference!


28 posted on 03/24/2013 5:15:12 AM PDT by ImNotLying (The MSM bears a close resemblance to the world's oldest profession!)
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To: Red in Blue PA

Rather than a national epidemic, it is a global phenomenon. Check murder rates by country worldwide.


29 posted on 03/24/2013 5:15:54 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
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To: Altura Ct.

Likely using URBAN city data. It is a documented FACT that the City of Atlanta has been caught, at least once, by the FBI LYING about its murder statistics. This happened under POLICE CHIEF BEVERLY HARVARD (whose only qualification was that she had been a driver for the Mayor).


30 posted on 03/24/2013 5:17:11 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Altura Ct.

“Gun deaths are shaped by race in America. Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.  The statistical difference is dramatic.”

The Compost admits that race shapes gun use in America, but they use word trickery to remain politically correct.  

Notice that when discussing white gun use the Compost states, “Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves”.  Yet, when noting black gun use the Compost states, “African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.”

See what the Compost did?  The first statement is how white gun owners use their gun — most often to kill themselves, not others.  But the second statement is not black gun owners at all.  Instead it’s about how black people in general are more likely to get shot.  It paints the image of black people as innocent victims of guns.  

If the Compost wanted to be honest, they would draw direct equivalents.  They would write, “White gun owners are more likely to shoot and kill themselves, while black gun owners are more likely to shoot and kill someone else.”  This, however, tells the truth regarding the major perpetrators of gun violence, and the Cultural Marxists at the Compost can’t allow that.


31 posted on 03/24/2013 5:18:53 AM PDT by NotYourAverageDhimmi
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To: babygene
The problem with that hypothesis is that these numbers on blacks killing blacks have been pretty steady for as long as murder records have been kept.

Black people have an exceptionally barbaric professional criminal class. Sometimes it's over selling sex, othertimes it'll be booze, or drugs, or just 'turf'. That class was present when this was a predominantly rural nation in fact. It was probably part of the warp and woof in the background of slavery. It occurs in black communities in every nation on earth where those communities exist.

South Africa, which was never subjected to the slave trade ~ which filtered that kind of person out of the mix ~ has an ENORMOUS murder rate ~ highest in the world!

This deal probably goes back tens of thousands of years ~

32 posted on 03/24/2013 5:38:02 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: ImNotLying
There are two reasons ~ those who profit from the existence of the black criminal class would like to see everybody else disarmed. Those who are victimized by the black criminal class would like to see the black criminal class disarmed.

The Democrat politicians profit from the existence ~

33 posted on 03/24/2013 5:40:29 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altura Ct.

Article looks at only part of the problem.
The real problem isn’t mentioned at all.

I can see the editors sitting around trying to determining a way of to seemingly address the ‘gun’ issue without violating the PC agenda.

’ Let’s see, we can’t address the perp by race stats, that would be racist.’
‘Can’t show perp race v. gun crime’
‘ How about suicide v. geographic location?’
‘ Yeah, that looks impressive!’


34 posted on 03/24/2013 5:41:13 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: NotYourAverageDhimmi

Astute readers know the Post dodged carrying the simile forward because, as it turns out, a lot of blacks are being shot by hispanics ~ and its the hispanics the Post has more recently begun carrying the water for!


35 posted on 03/24/2013 5:42:03 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Altura Ct.
Whites are far more likely to shoot themselves, and African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.

So whites do the shooting and blacks do the getting shot? Wow WP, did you have to work on twisting that statement or does it just come natural now?

The greatest disparity by race is in who the perps are in all crime, not in who the victims are.

36 posted on 03/24/2013 5:44:42 AM PDT by SampleMan (Feral Humans are the refuse of socialism.)
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To: Altura Ct.

According to Gallup, a group that doesn't even own many guns is responsible for a disproportionate amount of gun violence in the United States.

If you watch prime-time TV, you'd think that a typical murderer and a typical murder victim are the opposite of what they actually are.

If the screen writers were realistic, they'd just need to film one episode, and play it over and over again.

37 posted on 03/24/2013 5:48:54 AM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Altura Ct.
Gun deaths shaped by race in America

African Americans are far more likely to be shot by someone else.

So, just who are the bastards that are shooting all these unfortunate black people?

38 posted on 03/24/2013 5:54:20 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: muawiyah

” It was probably part of the warp and woof in the background of slavery.”

I don’t know... That part’s counter intuitive to me. It seems to me that some races of people are more likely to become slaves than others. I would think that a less violent race would be more apt to be subjected to slavery.

For example, the American Indian population did not make very good slaves. One of the reason we imported blacks...


39 posted on 03/24/2013 5:55:26 AM PDT by babygene ( .)
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To: Gaffer
This happened under POLICE CHIEF BEVERLY HARVARD (whose only qualification was that she had been a driver for the Mayor).

I suspect that being a driver for the mayor was only a secondary (or tertiary) qualification.

"I have had a dream.."

40 posted on 03/24/2013 5:57:29 AM PDT by niteowl77 (Oh, crap.)
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To: Sooth2222
Conservative Democrats 30
Moderate Democrats 24

Ain't no such thing!

The RATs they vote for are all wild-eyed Communist moonbats.

41 posted on 03/24/2013 5:58:48 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (Hey RATS! Control your murdering freaks.)
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To: babygene
Those who grew up in a single mother household?

Hey now, wait a tic. I grew up in a single-mother household, but I'm as white as Wonderbread.

Blacks killing each other isn't new. Myriad tribes from sub-Saharan Africa to Cape Horn murder each other for land, politics, religion, women, war, pestilence, etc. They've been murdering and raping and pillaging for millenia. Just because a bunch of white men in funny wigs showed up on the west coast of Africa in the 18th century and started bringing African blacks to the western hemisphere doesn't mean they're going to stop finding a reason to murder one another.

I would dare step out on a very long, very precarious limb and say that the slave trade actually bred camaraderie and brotherhood among blacks. They were all in the same position, regardless of tribal roots, and they had to learn how to work together to stay alive under oftentimes despotic slaveholder rule. In many ways, however, European whites saved these blacks from lives of certain death under the rule of warlords.

It's only over the course of a couple centuries that blacks have reverted to their tribal roots but here on American soil. It's all about money, cars, drugs, and women here. Gangbanging is about "respect," and if killing a man and his child in cold blood to show how "hard" you are means you get to hopscotch over a thug who simply held up a liquor store in the "respect" ladder, then that's what they do.

Guns are very obviously not the problem here. White men and women with large safes full of guns are not killing themselves more than some pre-teen gangbanger in the southside of Chicago trying to get street cred with a stolen 9 mm Keltec.

Blacks are killing themselves, because they've been doing it for thousands of years. A black man with whom I spent many semesters working in college was from Lesotho. He was as black as the night sky, "blue black" they called him in his native country. He says that in predominantly black countries, your skin color is a determinant to where you fall on the social hierarchy. The lighter your skin, the more important you are deemed to be.

This still goes on across the world, but somehow, white American males are considered the "most racist" in the world. I don't get it.

42 posted on 03/24/2013 6:01:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: niteowl77

One might think....but she never was what one might call good looking. I think that she just saw a lot of crooked crap as the Mayor’s driver and could keep her mouth shut.


43 posted on 03/24/2013 6:03:01 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: muawiyah
Call your county coroner for his theory.

I don't have to call my county coroner. Every time I watch the local news from Chicago on TV, the first 10 minutes are all about death and violence, and when they show a face it usually is dark. If you estimated the population of Chicago based on the people doing or being the victim of bad things as represented on the local TV news, it's 90% black.

And when I have traveled to other large cities on business and watch their local news, it's pretty much the same story.

44 posted on 03/24/2013 6:04:18 AM PDT by Bernard (The only Fair Tax is the tax that taxes you and not me.)
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To: Altura Ct.

If whites would just shoot 25 times more “other people” things would be fair


45 posted on 03/24/2013 6:07:21 AM PDT by SJackson (The Pilgrims—Doing the jobs Native Americans wouldn’t do !)
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To: Altura Ct.
for each African American who uses a gun to commit suicide, five are killed by other people with guns.

Deliberate mealy-mouthed-ness from the Post. The number of white-on-black murders in the USA is so low as to be nearly statistically insignificant. The "people with guns" in this case who are killing African Americans are all African American.

46 posted on 03/24/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by denydenydeny (Admiration of absolute government is proportionate to the contempt one has for others.-Tocqueville)
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To: harpseal; TexasCowboy; nunya bidness; AAABEST; Travis McGee; Squantos; wku man; SLB; ...
The problem isn't guns, and never has been; it's culture. Violent, nihilistic, thug culture.

Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!

47 posted on 03/24/2013 6:12:04 AM PDT by Joe Brower (The "American People" are no longer capable of self-governance.)
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To: babygene

The American Indian is similar to the zebra... so the horse does the plowing...


48 posted on 03/24/2013 6:14:54 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (A person becomes lost when they reject the Holy Spirit.)
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To: SJackson

yuuuuuuup, ya got that riiiight!


49 posted on 03/24/2013 6:18:34 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (A person becomes lost when they reject the Holy Spirit.)
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To: niteowl77

You mean, she had a third kinda job?!


50 posted on 03/24/2013 6:21:53 AM PDT by rusureitflies? (A person becomes lost when they reject the Holy Spirit.)
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