Skip to comments.Huckabee: If the GOP switches on gay marriage, evangelicals walk
Posted on 03/26/2013 2:33:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
A shot across the bow of Beltway Republicans on Gay Marriage Day at the Supreme Court.
Alternate headline: "Huckabee's running in 2016."
When asked if he believes the Republican Party will change its position and support gay marriage in a Wednesday Newsmax interview, Huckabee remarked, "They might, and if they do, they're going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk."...
"And it's not because there's an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody's homophobic that I know of," he continued, “but many of us, and I consider myself included, base our standards not on the latest Washington Post poll, but on an objective standard, not a subjective standard.”…
“If we have subjective standards, that means that we’re willing to move our standards based on the prevailing whims of culture,” he said. “I think politicians have an obligation to be thermostats, not just thermometers. They’re not simply to reflect the temperature of the room, or the culture, as it were. They’re to set the standards for law, for what’s right, for what’s wrong, understanding that not everybody’s going to agree with it, not everybody’s going to accept it.”
I’ve read a bunch of pieces lately claiming that SCOTUS striking down gay-marriage laws will actually be a gift to GOP politicians because it’ll take this issue off the table. Rubio and Paul and Jindal et al. won’t have to squirm over whether to endorse SSM, back a federalist approach to the issue, or oppose it on the merits. They can just shrug and say “The Court was wrong but whaddaya gonna do?” and move on to other business. Take it from Huckabee: That won’t happen. Abortion’s technically been “off the table” for 40 years and yet it’s still an absolute litmus test for any potential GOP nominee (and any potential Democratic nominee too). To keep social conservatives onboard, candidates will be asked to promise (a) that they’ll appoint Supreme Court justices who are committed to overturning any gay-marriage rulings and (b) that they’ll endorse some sort of constitutional amendment that would either ban SSM outright or, at a minimum, return the issue to the states. (The amendment will go nowhere but that’s beside the point here.) Think a prospective nominee won’t do some squirming over whether they should sign on to those propositions, especially given the GOP’s panic over losing young voters? Come 2016, this won’t be just about gay marriage anymore; it’ll be a test of whether social conservatives retain the same influence over the party platform that they’ve had for the last few decades. That’s why Huck’s framing this in apocalyptic “stick with us or we walk” terms. It’s their party, at least on social issues.
With respect to what’s best for other GOP pols, the simple explanation is the correct one: They’re better off if the Court surprises everyone and upholds Prop 8. Then the 2016 field can take the position that they’re personally opposed to SSM in order to placate social cons while insisting that, as good federalists, they want local voters to decide this issue for themselves. That sort of squishy middle-way stance won’t dazzle anyone on either side but it might hold the Republican coalition together by reassuring Huck and his supporters that red states will still get to chart their own course. It might also be acceptable to young voters in the sense that the potential GOP nominee won’t be standing in the way of gay marriage in states when the votes are there. But note: The squishy position won’t work if the Court does end up legalizing gay marriage this summer. In that case, taking the federalist position via a constitutional amendment will be seen as an attempt to roll back marriage rights that gays have already won. Young voters likely will find that alienating, and social cons may reason that an amendment to return power to the states on the subject simply doesn’t go far enough as a rebuke to a judiciary that’s out of control. What politicians cherish is room to maneuver, and a pro-SSM ruling leaves the GOP with less of that than an anti-SSM ruling would.
Anyway. Across the aisle, Mark Begich magically decided last night that he too is now pro-gay marriage, which makes three Democratic senators who have “evolved” in just the past 24 hours. I’m starting a pool as of right now: At what time today will the next Democratic holdout formally declare his support for SSM? I’ll take 2 p.m. ET.
Update: Interesting choice of words from Reince Priebus:
“We do have a platform, and we adhere to that platform,” Priebus said in an interview Monday on USA TODAY’s Capital Download video series. “But it doesn’t mean that we divide and subtract people from our party” who support the right of gay men and lesbians to marry.
“I don’t believe we need to act like Old Testament heretics,” he said, saying Republicans “have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.”
I can’t stand Huckabee, but when he’s right, he’s right.
Come on Huck, they’re walking already, no running, to the door.
A great many of us already have.
It would be a betrayal to all those who have trusted them in our faith and of respecting the importance of a mother and father and a child's rights.
My decision to walk has nothing to do with the Huckster. He’s just trying to claim some power over evangelicals that he doesn’t have.
I have already walked away from the GOP elite running the Republican party. I know what they’re interested in. It’s not what I am interested in.
“saying Republicans have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.
Well more than a couple Freepers seem to agree wholeheartedly. Good to know they side with Riese. Makes their position a lot more understandable. They really ARE libs.
If the Republican party thinks that the left is going to like it they’re mistaken. The left will hate unless it makes abortion compulsory for White Christians.
Agree with Huck and the other replies on this thread.
I am done with Repugs. I’ve already walked out the door.
(I do thank God for my Senator Cruz, though. Hopefully he wont be sucked into the filth that is inside the Beltway.)
Where will he run to? He should be used to picking the lesser of two evils by now.
Wow. And this organization manages to get conservatives to donate time and money to it?
Welcome to OUR WORLD HUCKABEE,
If the GOP continues to lose sight of who their fellow “countrymen” are...we walk too.....
Sure. They have attack dogs who scream “Traitor” and “Purist” whenever someone sticks to conservatism. And most conservatives refuse to stand up to them and tell them to shove it. Rather, they go meekly along.
I agree, not sure where to go though :(
Until a viable 3rd party assembles, maintain a fierce independence and vote only for the Ted Cruzes of the world. It’s all we can do.
Hey Huckster, 4 Million of them stayed home in 2012. I think that boat has already sailed.
Makes little difference.
We can't beat the left as it is.
As we splinter, the ability becomes even less.
Begich was probably always pro-gay ~ wonder if he’s ready for the questions he’s going to be asked now.
RE: 4 Million of them stayed home in 2012.
But surely the reason is not because of gay marriage... I don’t think Mitt Romney was for it.
There has to be another reason ... Romney’s Mormonism perhaps?
With statements like the one offered by Reince, the Republicans will soon have their tent all to themselves. A big, empty echo chamber seems to be their goal.
Huckabee must be waiving his finger in the air, reading the tea leaves or perhaps he’s actually asked some evangelicals, if he knows any
I have already walked...
His record perhaps?
I hear ya, but I think that is going to take some valuable time to build...don’t know/think if we have the time.
Sure we do. Because we don’t have a choice. We either make the time and have a chance, or stay with Reoublicrats and assuredly lose anyway.
I’ve long since walked.
Thanks for the “pick-me-up” Hope you’re correct.
And "gay" sex "reparations" with Rick Santorum.
The RNC and a number of the weaker state parties are what everybody wants to walk away from and creating someplace to walk to does not mean you need to set up an entirely new party ~ just connect compatible state structures together and go with that. I suggest you link Texas, Indiana, Michigan and a Western state first ~ while dumping New York and the entire Northeast.
Honestly, we have to accept reality. All of us. The GOP is what it is. Anti—everything we believe in. We can either go along with it or not. That’s the ugly reality. It will not change or be changed. So we can all STFU...or not.
I choose Not. We may lose it all. It may take years. Things may get worse. But the fantasy that Jesus descends and becomes President ain’t going to happen, much as we all want it. It took 30 years to create the mess. It will take time to fix.
So we best get ta’ skippin.
We can’t beat them with the Republicans either and beating Obama should have been a cake walk both times. Either the Republicans purge their leadership or they die and a third party will emerge. We are not the splinters, the Republicans are.
RE: His record perhaps?
Did these 4 million ever consider what they would be getting instead?
That's about where I stand, I don't see a fix to this mess unless we go to war or Christ returns.
Unfortunately I see another war coming first.
He’s pretty solid on social issues.
At the beginning of his governorship, Romney opposed same-sex marriage and civil unions, but advocated tolerance and supported some domestic partnership benefits. A November 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision required the state to recognize same-sex marriages (Goodridge v. Department of Public Health). Romney reluctantly backed a state constitutional amendment in February 2004 that would have banned those marriages but still allowed civil unions, viewing it as the only feasible way to accomplish the former. In May 2004, in compliance with the court decision, the governor instructed town clerks to begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.
The CORRECT election to look at is 2006 where over 20 million Republicans, including most of the Evangelicals, didn't show up for the midterms and we lost control of the House and Senate to the Democrats.
That election was over too many homosexuals in the Republican party in elective positions, or as party administrators. Apparently people like Preibus haven't got the word yet, but it's 20 million minimum on just this one issue!
To an extent I agree. But when you strip off parts of the GOP machine to use, you bring the cancer into the new host.
The machine, from aides to secretaries is GOP. Thus every bit the problem. All the staffers are mercenary. They work for GOP this cycle, Dem the next.
All these unemployed people out there and we cannot find new blood?
The TEA LEAVES say that if you want low taxes you gotta’ go with the Evangelicals and Catholics or your taxes go up.
In fact it is flippin' miracle we are still here!
well I’ve got news for Reince. I don’t have to respect anything I find abhorent. And rightg now I find the entire republican establishment abhorent. Got an email today from the RNC wondering where my four figure donations have gone. I told them to check with Reince.
I agree. Doesn't make permanent Democrat rule (at least for my lifetime) feel any better.
Situational ethics do not concern a principled people. Did Washington consider what would happen if the Revolution failed and what the colonists would have got? No He chose to stand on principle and won a country.
We can’t even pull a lever without ‘feeling’ our way through the process.
The big problem has been consultants ~ mercinaries ~ don't hire them.
Agree. This CAN be done. All I see is a history of “We Can’t” from many corners. Self fulfilling prophecy.
Repubs did it to the Whigs. It has happened time and again across history. We just lack the will.
Alas, Mitt Romney wasn't hiring Virgians, nor Asian Americans, nor was he interested in campaigning. Besides, he let his crowd cheat us out of a meaningful primary.
So much for that. They were not interested in Romney though.
Hell, we had posters here listing nothing but vicious attacks against others favorites and not posting arguments to support their own candidates....some of the nastiest crap I've ever seen her on FR
Maybe I shouldn't even be posting right now, don't want to be negative and a drag, but I think the whole thing should just collapse, let's get it over with and start the fight to rebuild it the way it was meant to be, vis a vie The Constitution!