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Huckabee: If the GOP switches on gay marriage, evangelicals walk
Hotair ^ | 03/26/2013 | AllahPundit

Posted on 03/26/2013 2:33:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

A shot across the bow of Beltway Republicans on Gay Marriage Day at the Supreme Court.

Alternate headline: "Huckabee's running in 2016."

When asked if he believes the Republican Party will change its position and support gay marriage in a Wednesday Newsmax interview, Huckabee remarked, "They might, and if they do, they're going to lose a large part of their base because evangelicals will take a walk."...

"And it's not because there's an anti-homosexual mood, and nobody's homophobic that I know of," he continued, “but many of us, and I consider myself included, base our standards not on the latest Washington Post poll, but on an objective standard, not a subjective standard.”…

“If we have subjective standards, that means that we’re willing to move our standards based on the prevailing whims of culture,” he said. “I think politicians have an obligation to be thermostats, not just thermometers. They’re not simply to reflect the temperature of the room, or the culture, as it were. They’re to set the standards for law, for what’s right, for what’s wrong, understanding that not everybody’s going to agree with it, not everybody’s going to accept it.”

I’ve read a bunch of pieces lately claiming that SCOTUS striking down gay-marriage laws will actually be a gift to GOP politicians because it’ll take this issue off the table. Rubio and Paul and Jindal et al. won’t have to squirm over whether to endorse SSM, back a federalist approach to the issue, or oppose it on the merits. They can just shrug and say “The Court was wrong but whaddaya gonna do?” and move on to other business. Take it from Huckabee: That won’t happen. Abortion’s technically been “off the table” for 40 years and yet it’s still an absolute litmus test for any potential GOP nominee (and any potential Democratic nominee too). To keep social conservatives onboard, candidates will be asked to promise (a) that they’ll appoint Supreme Court justices who are committed to overturning any gay-marriage rulings and (b) that they’ll endorse some sort of constitutional amendment that would either ban SSM outright or, at a minimum, return the issue to the states. (The amendment will go nowhere but that’s beside the point here.) Think a prospective nominee won’t do some squirming over whether they should sign on to those propositions, especially given the GOP’s panic over losing young voters? Come 2016, this won’t be just about gay marriage anymore; it’ll be a test of whether social conservatives retain the same influence over the party platform that they’ve had for the last few decades. That’s why Huck’s framing this in apocalyptic “stick with us or we walk” terms. It’s their party, at least on social issues.

With respect to what’s best for other GOP pols, the simple explanation is the correct one: They’re better off if the Court surprises everyone and upholds Prop 8. Then the 2016 field can take the position that they’re personally opposed to SSM in order to placate social cons while insisting that, as good federalists, they want local voters to decide this issue for themselves. That sort of squishy middle-way stance won’t dazzle anyone on either side but it might hold the Republican coalition together by reassuring Huck and his supporters that red states will still get to chart their own course. It might also be acceptable to young voters in the sense that the potential GOP nominee won’t be standing in the way of gay marriage in states when the votes are there. But note: The squishy position won’t work if the Court does end up legalizing gay marriage this summer. In that case, taking the federalist position via a constitutional amendment will be seen as an attempt to roll back marriage rights that gays have already won. Young voters likely will find that alienating, and social cons may reason that an amendment to return power to the states on the subject simply doesn’t go far enough as a rebuke to a judiciary that’s out of control. What politicians cherish is room to maneuver, and a pro-SSM ruling leaves the GOP with less of that than an anti-SSM ruling would.

Anyway. Across the aisle, Mark Begich magically decided last night that he too is now pro-gay marriage, which makes three Democratic senators who have “evolved” in just the past 24 hours. I’m starting a pool as of right now: At what time today will the next Democratic holdout formally declare his support for SSM? I’ll take 2 p.m. ET.

Update: Interesting choice of words from Reince Priebus:

“We do have a platform, and we adhere to that platform,” Priebus said in an interview Monday on USA TODAY’s Capital Download video series. “But it doesn’t mean that we divide and subtract people from our party” who support the right of gay men and lesbians to marry.

“I don’t believe we need to act like Old Testament heretics,” he said, saying Republicans “have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.”



TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: demagogicparty; evangelicals; gaymarriage; gop; homosexualagenda; homosexuality; nambla; romneyagenda; romneymarriage; sodomy
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1 posted on 03/26/2013 2:33:13 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I can’t stand Huckabee, but when he’s right, he’s right.


2 posted on 03/26/2013 2:35:24 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Come on Huck, they’re walking already, no running, to the door.


3 posted on 03/26/2013 2:36:16 PM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

A great many of us already have.


4 posted on 03/26/2013 2:36:37 PM PDT by RatRipper (Self-centeredness, greed, envy, deceit and lawless corruption has killed this once great nation.)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

Ditto


5 posted on 03/26/2013 2:37:49 PM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Above My Pay Grade
I am walking ..if they pander away from this.

It would be a betrayal to all those who have trusted them in our faith and of respecting the importance of a mother and father and a child's rights.

6 posted on 03/26/2013 2:37:58 PM PDT by Christie at the beach
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To: SeekAndFind

My decision to walk has nothing to do with the Huckster. He’s just trying to claim some power over evangelicals that he doesn’t have.

I have already walked away from the GOP elite running the Republican party. I know what they’re interested in. It’s not what I am interested in.


7 posted on 03/26/2013 2:38:18 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I can neither confirm or deny that; even if I could, I couldn't - it's classified.)
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Don't ask, don't tell, hands off...
8 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:13 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“saying Republicans “have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.”

Well more than a couple Freepers seem to agree wholeheartedly. Good to know they side with Riese. Makes their position a lot more understandable. They really ARE libs.


9 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:46 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

“I don’t believe we need to act like Old Testament heretics,” he said, saying Republicans “have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.”

Did he just call God "graceless" and "disrespectful"?


10 posted on 03/26/2013 2:39:53 PM PDT by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: SeekAndFind

If the Republican party thinks that the left is going to like it they’re mistaken. The left will hate unless it makes abortion compulsory for White Christians.


11 posted on 03/26/2013 2:40:28 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Pi$$ed off yet?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Agree with Huck and the other replies on this thread.

I am done with Repugs. I’ve already walked out the door.

(I do thank God for my Senator Cruz, though. Hopefully he wont be sucked into the filth that is inside the Beltway.)


12 posted on 03/26/2013 2:42:27 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: SeekAndFind

Where will he run to? He should be used to picking the lesser of two evils by now.


13 posted on 03/26/2013 2:43:10 PM PDT by HenryArmitage (it was not meant that we should voyage far.)
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To: SeekAndFind
“I don’t believe we need to act like Old Testament heretics,” he said, saying Republicans “have to strike a balance between principle and grace and respect.”

Wow. And this organization manages to get conservatives to donate time and money to it?

14 posted on 03/26/2013 2:43:21 PM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
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To: RatRipper

Welcome to OUR WORLD HUCKABEE,
If the GOP continues to lose sight of who their fellow “countrymen” are...we walk too.....


15 posted on 03/26/2013 2:44:07 PM PDT by magna carta
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To: Future Snake Eater

Sure. They have attack dogs who scream “Traitor” and “Purist” whenever someone sticks to conservatism. And most conservatives refuse to stand up to them and tell them to shove it. Rather, they go meekly along.


16 posted on 03/26/2013 2:45:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Secret Agent Man
I have already walked away from the GOP elite running the Republican party.

I agree, not sure where to go though :(

17 posted on 03/26/2013 2:45:46 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Until a viable 3rd party assembles, maintain a fierce independence and vote only for the Ted Cruzes of the world. It’s all we can do.


18 posted on 03/26/2013 2:47:17 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Huckster, 4 Million of them stayed home in 2012. I think that boat has already sailed.


19 posted on 03/26/2013 2:47:40 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: Las Vegas Ron
not sure where to go though :(

Makes little difference.

We can't beat the left as it is.

As we splinter, the ability becomes even less.

20 posted on 03/26/2013 2:48:46 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Begich was probably always pro-gay ~ wonder if he’s ready for the questions he’s going to be asked now.


21 posted on 03/26/2013 2:48:48 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: swamprebel

RE: 4 Million of them stayed home in 2012.

But surely the reason is not because of gay marriage... I don’t think Mitt Romney was for it.

There has to be another reason ... Romney’s Mormonism perhaps?


22 posted on 03/26/2013 2:48:53 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

With statements like the one offered by Reince, the Republicans will soon have their tent all to themselves. A big, empty echo chamber seems to be their goal.


23 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:02 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: SeekAndFind

Huckabee must be waiving his finger in the air, reading the tea leaves or perhaps he’s actually asked some evangelicals, if he knows any


24 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:37 PM PDT by zerosix (Native sunflower)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have already walked...
FREEGARDS
LEX


25 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:38 PM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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To: SeekAndFind

His record perhaps?


26 posted on 03/26/2013 2:49:38 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart

I hear ya, but I think that is going to take some valuable time to build...don’t know/think if we have the time.


27 posted on 03/26/2013 2:50:00 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Sure we do. Because we don’t have a choice. We either make the time and have a chance, or stay with Reoublicrats and assuredly lose anyway.


28 posted on 03/26/2013 2:51:13 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ve long since walked.


29 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:24 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Thanks for the “pick-me-up” Hope you’re correct.


30 posted on 03/26/2013 2:52:47 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: I want the USA back
The left will hate unless it makes abortion compulsory for White Christians.

And "gay" sex "reparations" with Rick Santorum.

31 posted on 03/26/2013 2:54:30 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: Norm Lenhart
Again, the party is actually a whole stable of corporate structures, and most of them can get along fine without the RNC ~ but if they want to run a national candidate for President they need a clearing house of sorts ~ with a convention ~ although is this day and age you probably need a good encryption code and a series of websites. Whatever, we don't need this particular RNC and can select a different agency entirely.

The RNC and a number of the weaker state parties are what everybody wants to walk away from and creating someplace to walk to does not mean you need to set up an entirely new party ~ just connect compatible state structures together and go with that. I suggest you link Texas, Indiana, Michigan and a Western state first ~ while dumping New York and the entire Northeast.

32 posted on 03/26/2013 2:54:42 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Las Vegas Ron

Honestly, we have to accept reality. All of us. The GOP is what it is. Anti—everything we believe in. We can either go along with it or not. That’s the ugly reality. It will not change or be changed. So we can all STFU...or not.

I choose Not. We may lose it all. It may take years. Things may get worse. But the fantasy that Jesus descends and becomes President ain’t going to happen, much as we all want it. It took 30 years to create the mess. It will take time to fix.

So we best get ta’ skippin.


33 posted on 03/26/2013 2:55:54 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: nascarnation

We can’t beat them with the Republicans either and beating Obama should have been a cake walk both times. Either the Republicans purge their leadership or they die and a third party will emerge. We are not the splinters, the Republicans are.


34 posted on 03/26/2013 2:56:24 PM PDT by trubolotta
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To: Norm Lenhart

RE: His record perhaps?

Did these 4 million ever consider what they would be getting instead?


35 posted on 03/26/2013 2:56:28 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: nascarnation; Norm Lenhart
Makes little difference.
We can't beat the left as it is.

That's about where I stand, I don't see a fix to this mess unless we go to war or Christ returns.

Unfortunately I see another war coming first.

36 posted on 03/26/2013 2:56:57 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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To: Above My Pay Grade

He’s pretty solid on social issues.


37 posted on 03/26/2013 2:57:14 PM PDT by jersey117
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To: SeekAndFind

Non-evangelicals too...


38 posted on 03/26/2013 2:57:20 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: SeekAndFind

At the beginning of his governorship, Romney opposed same-sex marriage and civil unions, but advocated tolerance and supported some domestic partnership benefits.[174][206][207] A November 2003 Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court decision required the state to recognize same-sex marriages (Goodridge v. Department of Public Health).[208] Romney reluctantly backed a state constitutional amendment in February 2004 that would have banned those marriages but still allowed civil unions, viewing it as the only feasible way to accomplish the former.[208] In May 2004, in compliance with the court decision, the governor instructed town clerks to begin issuing marriage licenses to same-sex couples.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitt_Romney


39 posted on 03/26/2013 2:57:38 PM PDT by swamprebel (a Constitution once changed from Freedom, can never be restored.)
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To: swamprebel
Wrong election to look at ~ wasn't 4 million Evangelicals ~ but the last of the Rockefeller Republicans stayed away. After George Romney and his kid walked out of the Republican convention way back when last guy in the world they'd vote for would be the hapless Mitt. There are about 4 million of them. They also dumped McCain.

The CORRECT election to look at is 2006 where over 20 million Republicans, including most of the Evangelicals, didn't show up for the midterms and we lost control of the House and Senate to the Democrats.

That election was over too many homosexuals in the Republican party in elective positions, or as party administrators. Apparently people like Preibus haven't got the word yet, but it's 20 million minimum on just this one issue!

40 posted on 03/26/2013 2:58:14 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

To an extent I agree. But when you strip off parts of the GOP machine to use, you bring the cancer into the new host.

The machine, from aides to secretaries is GOP. Thus every bit the problem. All the staffers are mercenary. They work for GOP this cycle, Dem the next.

All these unemployed people out there and we cannot find new blood?


41 posted on 03/26/2013 2:59:16 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: zerosix

The TEA LEAVES say that if you want low taxes you gotta’ go with the Evangelicals and Catholics or your taxes go up.


42 posted on 03/26/2013 2:59:47 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: SeekAndFind
Oh Duh, Captain Obvious, we almost walked because of McCain, You and Romney!

In fact it is flippin' miracle we are still here!

43 posted on 03/26/2013 2:59:52 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: SeekAndFind

well I’ve got news for Reince. I don’t have to respect anything I find abhorent. And rightg now I find the entire republican establishment abhorent. Got an email today from the RNC wondering where my four figure donations have gone. I told them to check with Reince.


44 posted on 03/26/2013 3:00:11 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: trubolotta
We are not the splinters, the Republicans are.

I agree. Doesn't make permanent Democrat rule (at least for my lifetime) feel any better.

45 posted on 03/26/2013 3:00:16 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Situational ethics do not concern a principled people. Did Washington consider what would happen if the Revolution failed and what the colonists would have got? No He chose to stand on principle and won a country.

We can’t even pull a lever without ‘feeling’ our way through the process.


46 posted on 03/26/2013 3:01:40 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
The party staffers are a problem if they weren't initially VOLUNTEERS.

The big problem has been consultants ~ mercinaries ~ don't hire them.

47 posted on 03/26/2013 3:03:25 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: muawiyah

Agree. This CAN be done. All I see is a history of “We Can’t” from many corners. Self fulfilling prophecy.

Repubs did it to the Whigs. It has happened time and again across history. We just lack the will.


48 posted on 03/26/2013 3:05:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart
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To: Norm Lenhart
BTW, I lined up a number of young Asian American men to work in Northern Virginia this last Summer ~ on Republican political action wherever needed ~ all marginally employed ~ and college graduates to boot.

Alas, Mitt Romney wasn't hiring Virgians, nor Asian Americans, nor was he interested in campaigning. Besides, he let his crowd cheat us out of a meaningful primary.

So much for that. They were not interested in Romney though.

49 posted on 03/26/2013 3:06:33 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Norm Lenhart
I don't disagree with a word you posted, I detest what the GOP has become. OTOH, we cannot even unite here on a primary candidate....I'm sure you remember the last primary season here.

Hell, we had posters here listing nothing but vicious attacks against others favorites and not posting arguments to support their own candidates....some of the nastiest crap I've ever seen her on FR

Maybe I shouldn't even be posting right now, don't want to be negative and a drag, but I think the whole thing should just collapse, let's get it over with and start the fight to rebuild it the way it was meant to be, vis a vie The Constitution!

50 posted on 03/26/2013 3:07:51 PM PDT by Las Vegas Ron (Medicine is the keystone in the arch of socialism)
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