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I think this adds a very important context to the whole gay marriage debate. Too many "conservatives" are relenting on the "born this way" bs. There may be propensity for any number of behaviors but just because there is a propensity does not mean one should gravitate to a "biological natural state". The whole of human civilization has been built not on striving to affirm an animal nature but to exceed it.
1 posted on 03/28/2013 8:33:24 AM PDT by Maelstorm
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Some people are born with a propensity to kill. We call them sociopaths.

Predisposition is something we fight with Civilization.

Whether we think civilization can accept or must reject homosexuality (much less the “marriage” of gays) is a crap-shoot.

But let’s not suppose that just because someone is born with a predisposition it makes it incumbent upon Governments to validate their predisposition as a right.

I have a predisposition to molest most attractive women I see. I don’t get to. Tough luck! And, even if they were willing, I oughtn’t. And I shouldn’t be allowed by government to marry 8 of them, even if they all agreed.

I know one thing: G-d WILL sort this out. You place your bets and you takes your chances.


2 posted on 03/28/2013 8:40:24 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Due Process 2013: "Burn the M*****-F***er Down!")
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I have noticed that many gays were molested or horribly abused in their young or teenage years. Also have noticed that many that lost their mother, either died or left, when young turned queer. IMHO, about 99% enviromental.

Which means that it IS treatable.


3 posted on 03/28/2013 8:40:26 AM PDT by ohiobuckeye1997
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To: Maelstorm; longtermmemmory; Gilbo_3; cradle of freedom; posterchild; BillyBoy; Impy
This is the right argument but I am afraid too late.
This argument needed to be made strongly about 10 years ago when GWB was POTUS, and kept up over time.

HERE :
If they are not born with these desires then how do their (un-natural) desires acquired in their life become their new (legitimate) constitutional rights that redefine centuries old traditional marriage regardless of voters opposition?

This is an argument I pose at young people,
I dont tell them its Biblical sinning because they will naturally just blow that off. For most of them Obama's word trumps the Bible's word.

5 posted on 03/28/2013 8:43:30 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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A friend of my husbands is a twin. He is ‘gay’ and his brother is heterosexual.

The gay twin grew up as a heterosexual, married, had children. Then decided at some point he was not happy and was gay, divorced, moved to San Jose with a homosexual other, and now lives a totally liberal lifestyle. Claims his being married has not hurt anyone, forgetting what he did to his wife and two little girls. He still sees them, they are of course expected to accept his new lifestyle. He feels he is a good father.


6 posted on 03/28/2013 8:44:37 AM PDT by Beowulf9
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Is there such a thing as a “gay gene”?

If so, isn’t it a genetic defect?


7 posted on 03/28/2013 8:44:49 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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“Most researchers who study sexual orientation think that both genetic..”

The same folks that defend evolution with all of their might, seem to believe that a “gene” that CAN NOT procreate has somehow survived their millions of years of evolving.


10 posted on 03/28/2013 8:49:36 AM PDT by CSM (Keeper of the Dave Ramsey Ping list. FReepmail me if you want your beeber stuned.)
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Let’s assume for a minute that gays are indeed “Born that way.”
God knows the cause, whether it is genetic or environmental, and He still said “Do not practice homosexuality.” In God’s eyes the cause is irrelevant. The Sodom and Gomorrah narrative strongly suggests peer pressure was involved.
BTW my oldest daughter is gay and the only “trauma” in her life is that her father and I divorced when she was four because he abused me.


12 posted on 03/28/2013 8:53:41 AM PDT by Wiser now (Socialism does not eliminate poverty, it guarantees it.)
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Gay Is Not All in the Genes

ACTUALLY:

'Gay' Is ALL In The Jeans

It is all about the sexual activity -that IS the only differentiator.

13 posted on 03/28/2013 9:01:17 AM PDT by DBeers (†)
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“may play a greater role than genes”

Most certainly, because genes don’t play a role.


14 posted on 03/28/2013 9:01:31 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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A gene that doesn’t propagate the species?

I wonder how THAT ONE evolved!


16 posted on 03/28/2013 9:06:07 AM PDT by papertyger (It's only "hate" if you're conservative.)
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I believe I read this article in 1977 when my younger brother came out as gay to the family.

So in 35 years will hundreds of millions spent on 1% of our society - we appear to have learned nothing.


19 posted on 03/28/2013 9:12:37 AM PDT by edcoil (If the man was accused of leadership, there would not be enough evidence to convict him.)
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There's another thread, "Study: Gay Parents More Likely to Have Gay Kids".

We may get more data on what happens to kids raised by gay adoptive parents, once there are more gay adoptions. (Or we may not, if the study results prove too controversial).

22 posted on 03/28/2013 9:19:48 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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Living in California I have the privilege of being around a greater % of homosexuals. All kidding aside, there is one trait that I’ve noticed for almost every homosexual/lesbian I’ve met. Their families had an extremely dominant mother and a very passive father. The “man of the house” was the mother and she pressed her control very hard. It is interesting that the feminist movement contains that same paradigm.


23 posted on 03/28/2013 9:22:01 AM PDT by Son-Joshua (son-joshua)
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Even if, and I doubt it, there is a component of genetics involved in homosexuality, then as I understand it, there is also a biological propensity to alcoholism:

From the National Institutes of Health (NIH):

http://pubs.niaaa.nih.gov/publications/aa60.htm Research has shown conclusively that familial transmission of alcoholism risk is at least in part genetic and not just the result of family environment (1). The task of current science is to identify what a person inherits that increases vulnerability to alcoholism and how inherited factors interact with the environment to cause disease.

And with addiction in general:

They add to evidence that individual differences in the quality and quantity of brain connections make pleiotropic contributions to individual differences in vulnerability to addictions and to related brain disorders and phenotypes http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18991966

And with introversion:

Consistent with GWA results, we found that BDNF Met carriers were more introverted. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/20042999

Therefore, if it's really helpful to tell a homosexual to give in to behavior that will kill him, then, of the others, we should tell one to crawl inside as bottle, the other to craw inside a crack pipe, and the last to crawl inside a cave.

That's real helpful.

Now, there IS a biological propensity for males and females to mate when they feel like it with whomever is available. That, however, has been found to be unhelpful, so those urges are brought under control.

If one can control, then so can the other.

25 posted on 03/28/2013 9:25:06 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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I think I know why some people are so happy, or gay, but being homosexual is another issue.


27 posted on 03/28/2013 9:32:50 AM PDT by murron (Proud Mom of a Marine Vet)
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...roughly 5% of men and 8% of women reported sexual activity with a member of the same sex at least once during their lifetimes. Then they plugged the survey responses into a standard mathematical model for comparing identical and fraternal twins....


Here’s the problem.

The 5-8% (as opposed to 2%) gay numbers suggest they are including non-gays who had an isolated homosexual experience (pubescent experimentation, college “LUG” etc.)

Someone else can do the math, but the data may very well explain that most or all gays who are living an ongoing gay lifestyle are explained genetically, and all those who have a random experimentation have no genetic factor.


30 posted on 03/28/2013 9:47:53 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Universal Background Check -> Registration -> Confiscation -> Oppression -> Extermination)
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The so called “gay gene” is nothing compared to the “multiple partners gene,” yet we have laws against polygamy.


31 posted on 03/28/2013 9:49:04 AM PDT by pallis
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I’m a male lesbian.


34 posted on 03/28/2013 9:58:34 AM PDT by Osage Orange (Life is a bitch. If it was easy, we would call it a slut)
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The Supreme Court - About to Play God Again?


36 posted on 03/28/2013 10:06:03 AM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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Just imagine how quickly the ‘gay problem’ in society will correct itself if they ever discover a ‘gay gene’. With a society that places so little regard on it’s unborn (just look at the abortion rate for Downs Syndrome children) a test for a gay gene would remove well over 90% of the gay population.

The funny thing is that the only people who would keep their ‘gay babies’ would be the religious Christians that the Homosexuals hate so much!


38 posted on 03/28/2013 10:09:12 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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