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U.N. passes sweeping international arms regulation viewed by some as Second Amendment override
washington times ^ | 4/2/13 | David Sherfinski

Posted on 04/02/2013 9:47:36 AM PDT by ColdOne

The United Nations General Assembly on Tuesday signed off on a sweeping, first-of-its-kind treaty to regulate the international arms trade, brushing aside worries from U.S. gun rights advocates that the pact could lead to a national firearms registry and disrupt the American gun market.

The long-debated U.N. Arms Trade Treaty (ATT) requires countries to regulate and control the export of weaponry such as battle tanks, combat vehicles and aircraft and attack helicopters, as well as parts and ammunition for such weapons. It also provides that signatories will not violate arms embargoes, international treaties regarding illicit trafficking, or sell weaponry to a countries for genocide, crimes against humanity or other war crimes.

With the Obama administration supporting the final treaty draft, the General Assembly vote was 154 to 3, with 23 abstentions.

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To: sport

There are a lot of p o’d people out there who will vent that anger.


81 posted on 04/02/2013 11:34:16 AM PDT by laplata (The Answer To 1984 Is 1776)
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To: ColdOne
Hint to gun grabbers: The only way to override the Second Amendment is with a whole lot of firepower and the willingness to use that firepower on American, after American, after American, until every free person in this country is under ground (either six feet under or otherwise in hiding). Those who wish to follow that path had better be clever as well - if the government starts hunting for patriots, free Americans will not all wait to be murdered in their homes in Waco or Ruby Ridge, and some of us are not as easily intimidated as Elian Gonzales.

How much is it really worth to the far left to disarm otherwise law-abiding citizens? They had better think hard on that question, since gun registration and gun confiscation laws are inherently unconstitutional and inherently violate God's laws.

82 posted on 04/02/2013 11:37:39 AM PDT by Pollster1
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To: Gaffer

First thing I am going to do is squeal on all my blood relatives who are gun collectors who voted for Obama.

At least I can show them HOW their little police state works that the dumbasses voted for!


83 posted on 04/02/2013 11:39:12 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

Good on you! The less weapons their side has, the better.


84 posted on 04/02/2013 11:40:42 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ColdOne; sickoflibs
pretty...blue...helmets...

too bad we [the US] are NOT allowed to participate, due to our international smuggling of small arms to mejican drug cartels for use as insurrectionist tools against their, and our gubmints...

wait, what ??? you say that wasnt even mentioned in the politikin ???

oh well, since my RIGHT to life, and defense thereof is GOD granted, and I have no ability/desire/authority to give that away to islamic tyrants around the world [and in the white hut], I guess theyll just have to send...

pretty...blue...helmets...

85 posted on 04/02/2013 11:44:52 AM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: TheOldLady; Renegade; Gaffer

Count me in! I’ll bring all my ‘scary’ rifles/guns


86 posted on 04/02/2013 11:48:16 AM PDT by Amigo04
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To: Carry_Okie

no need, Obamacare is still not a treaty


87 posted on 04/02/2013 11:51:11 AM PDT by NativeSon ( Grease the floor with Crisco when I dance the Disco)
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To: ColdOne
I would think the Senate has no interest in this U.N. treaty.

Why?

Because ALL 100 of them value wealth, safety, and stability...

Kinda like 0bama, who will exit the presidency on Jan. 20, 2017...vertically or horizontally, his choice.

People generally act in their self interest.

5.56mm

88 posted on 04/02/2013 11:52:51 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: servantboy777

Make them pay.

What would Michael Collins do?


89 posted on 04/02/2013 11:55:13 AM PDT by Noumenon (What would Michael Collins do?)
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To: Revel
The Senate had zero authority to over-ride the 2nd amendment. As in the Shall not be infringed part. Only lawless politicians and Courts could find otherwise.

I agree wholeheartedly. Neither has the Executive or any other branch of Government. The Constitution trumps any treaty, if we follow the Constitution. Unfortunately, there seem still to be differences over what the shall not be infringed part of the Second Amendment actually means. It has been infringed frequently.

The Constitution does not include in the enumerated rights set forth in the Bill of Rights or elsewhere such things as a right to drive an automobile, to practice law or medicine, etc. Those have been treated as privileges rather than as rights. The exercise of privileges perhaps should require State or Federal licenses. The exercise of rights, such as the right to bear arms, should not.

I don't understand the constitutional bases for requiring permits -- similar to but in some cases more stringent than drivers' licenses -- to own and to use firearms,. Yet we do that.

Should the new arms control treaty be ratified by the Senate (on a 2/3 vote, as required under Article II), Federal implementation seems likely to create another morass of Federal gun control laws. Should it? Of course not. Will it? That's a different topic altogether. I suspect that it is likely to do so.

Even should the Senate not ratify the UN treaty, there is a possibility that the President, by Executive decree Order might try to implement it domestically. What will we do then? Cry? I don't know and hope not to find out.

90 posted on 04/02/2013 12:04:25 PM PDT by DanMiller (Dan Miller)
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To: ColdOne

Sorry Barry this one is going to be DOA in the Senate.


91 posted on 04/02/2013 12:07:19 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: RicocheT
Write, email or call your US Senators and tell them to vote against any foreign treaty or proposed law that diminishes our Second Amendment or other rights.

Ok, I'll get right on that.

BECAUSE IT HAS WORKED SO WELL IN THE PAST!

92 posted on 04/02/2013 12:13:29 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: Resolute Conservative

http://www.armalite.com/ItemForm.aspx?item=30A1BT300&ReturnUrl=Categories.aspx?Category=d4543129-c82e-4fc9-bb4d-213664c7b055

My kinda 300 win mag. Top it off with high mag Leupold glass and show the world what a “hunting rifle” can really do.

HE HE HE HE HE.....


93 posted on 04/02/2013 12:17:56 PM PDT by oldenuff2no
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To: ScottinVA; DanMiller; what's up; Sacajaweau; Carry_Okie

...and just like March of 2010, my fellow conservatives are arguing with me and lecturing me about how this gun control treaty will never pass.

The circumvented the Constitution to get Obamacare.

Why will they follow it now?


94 posted on 04/02/2013 12:20:18 PM PDT by Tzimisce (The American Revolution began when the British attempted to disarm the Colonists.)
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To: Tzimisce
I didn't say it would never pass.

I said it would be harder than Obamacare.

95 posted on 04/02/2013 12:23:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: ColdOne

I was looking for the treaty text and it wasn’t easy to find at www.un.org.

Not sure how this affects a typical gun owner unless they have a foreign purchase. The section on “reporting” is troubling - maintain qty, value, model and end-users. Backdoor gun registration. It covers “small arms and light weapons” which sounds like it covers all gun urchases that cross country boundries.

I may be wrong but it seems a gun purchased at a local walmart falls outside the scope of this thing.


96 posted on 04/02/2013 12:29:53 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: ColdOne

....”Iran, Syria and North Korea voted against it.”...

Who’d of guessed!


97 posted on 04/02/2013 12:41:59 PM PDT by caww
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To: ColdOne

The new bill requiring liability insurance will be the way to a universal registry. Guess who has close relationships with insurance companies for information on everyone.


98 posted on 04/02/2013 12:51:11 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: caww

That’s actually comforting. Thanks.


99 posted on 04/02/2013 12:55:29 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Tzimisce
...and just like March of 2010, my fellow conservatives are arguing with me and lecturing me about how this gun control treaty will never pass.

No. I have been arguing since 2007 that this particular treaty is a threat even with only a signature, and that it can be ratified by as few as 34 Senators.

Do you dispute that?

100 posted on 04/02/2013 12:58:17 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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