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The great gun control fizzle
Politico ^ | Thursday, April 4, 2013 | Rich Lowery

Posted on 04/04/2013 2:56:40 PM PDT by upchuck

Rarely has the political class whipped itself into a lather that has abated so quickly.

The president has certainly done his part. He has held rallies. He has used children as props. He has held events with parents of the little victims of Newtown. He has shamed the nation for its alleged forgetfulness over the terrible events of that day and urged members of Congress to “join me in finishing the job — for our communities and, most importantly, for our kids.”

The needle of public opinion is moving the wrong way. CBS News found that support for stricter guns laws dropped from 57 percent to 47 percent, and CNN from 52 percent to 43 percent.

The headline on a CNN story on the latest trend in polling was titled, Polls Suggest Congress Might Have Waited Too Long on Gun Control. It has waited all of four months.

But the assault weapons ban has been deep-sixed by Democrats in the Senate. Same with any limit on the size of magazines. The argument now is all about increasing the reach of background checks...

The gun control debate has shown the president again to be hopelessly detached as a legislative mechanic and ineffectual as a shaper of public opinion.

The president’s push for new gun laws looks, at this juncture, like a complete fizzle. He has failed to sway red-state Democrats and failed to maintain the heightened public support for new gun control laws. The most concrete effect of his advocacy has been, if the anecdotal evidence is to be believed, to stoke increased gun purchases on fears that the government wants to ban guns. He set out to lead a great crusade for gun control and ended up the best friend the gun industry ever had.

(Excerpt) Read more at dyn.politico.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: awb; banglist; guncontrol; obama; secondamendment
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1 posted on 04/04/2013 2:56:40 PM PDT by upchuck
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To: upchuck

Which explains why they *need* to move as fast as possible when an incident occurs.

If they wait to long logic and common sense overcome the passion of the moment.

Of course there is also the short attention span that the MSM has instilled into the American public to also consider.


2 posted on 04/04/2013 3:03:00 PM PDT by The Working Man
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To: upchuck

Piers Morgan is very upset.


3 posted on 04/04/2013 3:03:18 PM PDT by Rennes Templar
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To: upchuck

I’m not convinced. The Brown Shirts had good success in New York, Connecticut, and Colorado. Any more such “victories” and we are undone.


4 posted on 04/04/2013 3:04:17 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Buck Off, Bronco Bama)
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To: upchuck
But you know they`re salivating-positively drooling over the hope of more kid`s graves to dance on! WE need to keep pushing for more trained and armed adults in the schools. These gun-free zones are killing too many people and threatening many more.
5 posted on 04/04/2013 3:05:14 PM PDT by nomad
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To: upchuck
The Dem/libs have been engaging in a steady push to infringe on our right to keep and bear arms for decades. And this is how it has been working out for them in the last two decades...

And in the last two months... (Nov. 2012 and Dec. 2012)

MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MILLIONS MORE. ;-)

6 posted on 04/04/2013 3:05:16 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: upchuck

They can’t wait for the next mass shooting. It will drive their point home and they’ll be able to grab more.

Collectivists love dead bodies. They’re useful.


7 posted on 04/04/2013 3:12:00 PM PDT by lurk
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To: upchuck

8 posted on 04/04/2013 3:13:50 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Hardastarboard

Colorado...yeah, that bothers me. NY State and Connecticut, not so surprising. NYC dominates the Empire State such that Upstate may as well not exist, and Connecticut has become nothing more than a suburb of NYC.

Ditto with the 2nd Congressional District special race in IL. Even with Emperor Bloomie throwing his millions into the race, it was still not a surprise to anyone who knows that area (i.e. electing a white person wasn’t gonna happen). And in the end, the candidate’s mouthiness aside, the vote count didn’t change.


9 posted on 04/04/2013 3:15:30 PM PDT by M1903A1 ("We shed all that is good and virtuous for that which is shoddy and sleazy... and call it progress")
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To: upchuck

10 posted on 04/04/2013 3:19:13 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: upchuck

Mission accomplished-—divide the country more. To me that’s what this has been all about.


11 posted on 04/04/2013 3:21:32 PM PDT by JPII Be Not Afraid
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To: TigersEye

“In the worst economy since the Great Depression the firearms industry can’t keep up with orders or expand fast enough.”

I was in a recently opened gun store in Northern California about three weeks ago. You could stir the customers with a stick. My wife ups and buys her first ever handgun, so I decide that it’s time to add to my “collection” and buy one too. They were so busy that we had to wait an hour to get to one of the two computers to electronically fill out the CADOJ paperwork. The store manager said that they were already selling 600 guns a month and had been open for less than two months! Here in CA more than 600,000 guns were purchased in the past year. The store owner also said that every time Obama opens his yap, they have another good day. To those who are decrying what’s happened in CT, NY and CO, I would say wait until next year. Those state legislatures are going to get their collective pee pees whacked by the voters or the courts, or both!


12 posted on 04/04/2013 3:23:39 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: upchuck

I think if the onerous laws in these states can’t be overturned either in the courts or by the legislators the manufacturers of the gun industry have to make a stand by leaving the state and refusing service/sales to the entire state until all citizens are allowed to own the same as LEO.

For myself, I may just not buy those weapons or supplies from those manufacturers on that basis alone.

They are literally having loads of cash thrown at them to move their operations and there is no reason not to take it...


13 posted on 04/04/2013 3:25:31 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: upchuck
Just an opinion, not being a lawyer and all that but:

1. The Constitution prohibits the Government from doing what some of these States have recently done.

2. States whose politicians have openly conspired to violate the civil rights of their citizens under color of authority are now States being run by outlaws.

3. Citizens need not obey the anti-gun laws that have been enacted.

4. Law enforcement officers need not enforce the laws.

5. District Attorneys need not prosecute people arrested for violations of these laws.

6. Citizens who serve on juries have a DUTY to NULLIFY these laws with consistent NOT GUILTY verdicts.

7. Citizens have a DUTY to remove from political office ALL persons who have voted for these laws, and all other persons from public office or public employment who enforce these laws.

14 posted on 04/04/2013 3:28:23 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: vette6387
I agree and the 2014 elections are going to be ... interesting.

Even if nothing comes up for a vote in the U.S. Congress gun owners are not going to forget. In addition to that I believe that 0bamaCare is going to be an even bigger negative for Dems by then and that's going to animate an even larger number of Americans than gun control has.

15 posted on 04/04/2013 3:29:01 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: TigersEye

That’s why the Democrats need amnesty now. And the Republicans will help them. Then in 2014 the Republican Party will be extinguished.


16 posted on 04/04/2013 3:35:21 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: upchuck
I'm afraid the government is involved somehow in the current ammo shortage. I have been trying for the past 2 months or more to buy .22 rimfire ammo and haven't found one single round available . The manager of the largest gun store in this area told me he could get $75 each for the 525 round boxes if he could get any from his supplier. The ammo makers blame the shortage on the huge orders placed by the federal government, but AFAIK the government doesn't use much, if any, .22 rimfire ammo.

Although gun ownership is protected by the 2nd A, the right to own ammo was not addressed by the recent USSC decisions and without ammo guns are useless for anything other than firewood or scrap metal. This makes me afraid that Obumma will get his way on the gun issue one way or another.

17 posted on 04/04/2013 3:42:13 PM PDT by epow ( He is risen, He is risen indeed"")
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To: TigersEye

And the writer calls that anecdotal evidence (if it can be believed ). These people live in fantasy world. Even the percentages for gun control can’t be believed. It doesn’t jive with the amount of weapons bought. Look for a false flag soon. They smell blood in the water.


18 posted on 04/04/2013 3:42:37 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: Enterprise
2. States whose politicians have openly conspired to violate the civil rights of their citizens under color of authority are now States being run by outlaws.

I coined the term "totalitarian anarchy" to refer to government in which those in power claim unlimited authority, but are not themselves bound the rule of law. Someone else suggested using "feudalism" instead; I'm not familiar enough with how things actually worked in feudal societies to know whether that's accurate or not.

19 posted on 04/04/2013 3:48:45 PM PDT by supercat (Renounce Covetousness.)
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To: DeWalt

Enough weapons have been bought to outfit the Chinese and Indian Armies. That’s hardly an overwhelming mandate for gun control.


20 posted on 04/04/2013 3:50:29 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: The Working Man
Its not over by a long shot. Merely the 1st 'out-in-the-open' battle in whats going to be a long war.
There will be more mass shootings,
(If nothing else, the govt. will insure there are...)
and since the L.I.V. voters are now the majority, the tides turned against law-abiding gun owners.

Its now completely obvious, the goverment doesnt want citizens to be able to arm themselves against 'authority' thats quickly turning into tyranny.
If all the facts are presented, its almost impossible to come to any other conclusion.
21 posted on 04/04/2013 3:50:54 PM PDT by 45semi (A police state is always preceded by a nanny state...)
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To: supercat

Totalitarian anarchy would be a good description of what is going on now. Feudalism would be the goal down the road to the totalitarian anarchists. It would mean that there were no elections, and that the common people could only possess what the totalitarian anarchists allow them to possess.


22 posted on 04/04/2013 3:59:13 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: upchuck
U.S. Agrees To U.N. Global Gun Control


(http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3004257/posts)

23 posted on 04/04/2013 3:59:38 PM PDT by tomkat
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To: upchuck

“The president has certainly done his part.”

Yes; he’s done his part to single-handedly abrogate the Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution.

He’s done his part to concentrate more power in his own hands than that held by any other president in history.

He’s done his part to redraw the United States as some sort of latter-day, Marxist retread.

As for anything productive, he hasn’t done jack sh*t in the last four-plus years.


24 posted on 04/04/2013 4:01:49 PM PDT by Jack Hammer (American)
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Click

25 posted on 04/04/2013 4:01:49 PM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Kartographer

26 posted on 04/04/2013 4:08:04 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Enterprise

“The Constitution prohibits the Government from doing what some of these States have recently done.”

Doesn’t the Constitution prevent CONGRESS for doing what these States have done?

And doesn’t the 10th Amendment give States the power not specifically delegated to Congress?

I agree with you generally, but am a little confused.

Maybe a knowledgable 10th Amendment supporter can explain why the 10th Amendment doesn’t apply to the States on the issue of gun “control”.


27 posted on 04/04/2013 4:09:48 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: upchuck

Obama aimed at the wrong target intentionally or not. He targeted gun possession instead of gun use.


28 posted on 04/04/2013 4:18:41 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: DeWalt
They smell blood in the water.

There is blood in the water. They haven't yet realized that it's their own blood and by Nov. 2014 they may have bled out if they don't do something to staunch it soon.

29 posted on 04/04/2013 4:22:50 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Owl558

It does because of incorporation.


30 posted on 04/04/2013 4:24:48 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: TigersEye

2014 midterms should be an interesting “shootout”

You will have motivated 2nd Amendment supporting voters (similar to 2010 with anti-Obamacare voters) opposed by the huge OFA financial push to capture the House for the final 2 yrs of Caliph Baraq’s rule.


31 posted on 04/04/2013 4:27:46 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: TigersEye

There will be a false flag. I’m afraid Matt Brackens book will be prophetic.


32 posted on 04/04/2013 4:29:35 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: nascarnation

By this time next year I expect there to be anger over 0bamaCare that will eclipse the gun control backlash. Maybe not, we will see.


33 posted on 04/04/2013 4:31:11 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: DeWalt
There will be a false flag. I’m afraid Matt Brackens book will be prophetic.

If so then that is what will be.

34 posted on 04/04/2013 4:32:33 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Owl558
A real legal scholar can do better than I can. An example would be the 5th Amendment. No State can abridge, modify, or cancel the 5th Amendment rights of its citizens. The Supreme Courts of all States, and the Supreme Court of the United States are all in agreement on this. Equally, no State can abridge, modify, or cancel the 2nd Amendment rights of its citizens. Yet, State Courts, and Federal judges get fuzzy logic here. There should be no misunderstanding.

The 10th Amendment argument sounds good to the left, but here is the sticky part. If Congress and the States cannot ignore the rights of the people under the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments, then under what authority can they ignore their rights under the Second Amendment? Why is the 10th Amendment something that the States can use as an excuse to deprive people of their right to keep an bear arms? If the States, under the 10th Amendment can deprive people of their rights under one Amendment, then the States can deprive people of their rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, speedy trials, the right to an attorney, the right to privacy, and any other rights that they are presently BOUND and SWORN to UPHOLD AND DEFEND!

35 posted on 04/04/2013 4:33:49 PM PDT by Enterprise ("Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit atrocities." Voltaire)
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To: TigersEye

Both issues should be strong motivators.

I doubt we’ll get any traction on the economy, since the MSM has already decided:

“It’s the strongest recovery in US history”

or

“It would have been the strongest recovery in US history if the Republicans hadn’t cut the budget.”


36 posted on 04/04/2013 4:40:50 PM PDT by nascarnation (Baraq's economic policy: trickle up poverty)
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To: DeWalt

“It does because of incorporation.”

Looked it up. Very interesting. Thank you, that helps my ongoing education.

OK, so now I have this question:

I just read an article stating that North Carolina was considering a bill that reserved their right to establish a religion and make religious laws. How come this doesn’t fall under incorporation?

Sounds like such a law would be flat-out unconstitutional on its face.


37 posted on 04/04/2013 4:41:39 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: Owl558

It will shot down and has no life. This is where politicians should be held accountability for wasting the tax payers money on frivolous crap.


38 posted on 04/04/2013 4:46:13 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: DeWalt

I typed that to fast.


39 posted on 04/04/2013 4:47:24 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: nascarnation
The economy is kind of complicated and its effects aren't equally seen by all so it's easier to spin than a lot of issues. I have an uncomfortable feeling that things will happen that will be real hard to spin or coverup though. Those suspicions are tied into my views on the consequences of 0bamaCare.

Shamnesty is likely to be a third negative for Dems, IMO, behind 0bamaCare and gun control. If the GOP can't pick up seats right and left then they are done.

40 posted on 04/04/2013 4:51:23 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Owl558

Section 13 of the North Carolina constitution prohibits this. Therefore the state supreme court should nullify it.


41 posted on 04/04/2013 4:56:40 PM PDT by DeWalt
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To: supercat

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corporatism#Fascist_corporatism


42 posted on 04/04/2013 5:03:27 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: upchuck

Background checks are totally worthless, just liberal feelgood nonsense. If a criminal is not legally allowed to own a firearm he’ll just go down to the ‘hood, or the trailer park, or the bodega, and buy one anyway. The black market is still thriving, and always will be.


43 posted on 04/04/2013 5:08:56 PM PDT by jespasinthru (Proud member of the Vast Right-Wing Conspiracy.)
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To: supercat

In early feudalism, it was pretty close. Feudal society was just gangs of armed men holding strong points. Most realized they needed serfs to grow food for them and their horses, so they had to protect their property (serfs) that were bound to the land. They had almost no restraints on their actions.

During the late medeival period, the church had some influence, but not very much.


44 posted on 04/04/2013 5:12:01 PM PDT by marktwain (The MSM must die for the Republic to live. Long live the new media!)
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To: upchuck
He set out to lead a great crusade for gun control and ended up the best friend the gun industry ever had.

So he just moved the game into the UN. It never ends.

45 posted on 04/04/2013 5:18:44 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: TigersEye
I agree and the 2014 elections are going to be ... interesting.

Voting machines, same day registration, mail in ballots, no id checks, crooked AGs, corrupt precinct captains. What could go wrong?

46 posted on 04/04/2013 5:24:47 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: upchuck
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47 posted on 04/04/2013 5:26:21 PM PDT by MtnMan101
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To: itsahoot

OK


48 posted on 04/04/2013 5:31:51 PM PDT by TigersEye (The irresponsible should not be leading the responsible.)
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To: Owl558
Maybe a knowledgable 10th Amendment supporter can explain why the 10th Amendment doesn’t apply to the States on the issue of gun “control”.

That argument raged on FR a while back. Some argue for full restoration of 10th, the other group argued that the 14th gave the right back to the people.

In the end it doesn’t matter, it only matters what laws they choose to enforce and what they choose to ignore.

49 posted on 04/04/2013 5:35:39 PM PDT by itsahoot (It is not so much that history repeats, but that human nature does not change.)
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To: vette6387
To those who are decrying what’s happened in CT, NY and CO, I would say wait until next year. Those state legislatures are going to get their collective pee pees whacked by the voters or the courts, or both!

It won't matter unless the laws they passed are repealed, otherwise those Democratic losses will just be viewed as "collateral damage" by the Left and in a few years they'll be back in power to further chip away at what's left.

50 posted on 04/04/2013 5:36:16 PM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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