Skip to comments.The great gun control fizzle
Posted on 04/04/2013 2:56:40 PM PDT by upchuck
Rarely has the political class whipped itself into a lather that has abated so quickly.
The president has certainly done his part. He has held rallies. He has used children as props. He has held events with parents of the little victims of Newtown. He has shamed the nation for its alleged forgetfulness over the terrible events of that day and urged members of Congress to join me in finishing the job for our communities and, most importantly, for our kids.
The needle of public opinion is moving the wrong way. CBS News found that support for stricter guns laws dropped from 57 percent to 47 percent, and CNN from 52 percent to 43 percent.
The headline on a CNN story on the latest trend in polling was titled, Polls Suggest Congress Might Have Waited Too Long on Gun Control. It has waited all of four months.
But the assault weapons ban has been deep-sixed by Democrats in the Senate. Same with any limit on the size of magazines. The argument now is all about increasing the reach of background checks...
The gun control debate has shown the president again to be hopelessly detached as a legislative mechanic and ineffectual as a shaper of public opinion.
The presidents push for new gun laws looks, at this juncture, like a complete fizzle. He has failed to sway red-state Democrats and failed to maintain the heightened public support for new gun control laws. The most concrete effect of his advocacy has been, if the anecdotal evidence is to be believed, to stoke increased gun purchases on fears that the government wants to ban guns. He set out to lead a great crusade for gun control and ended up the best friend the gun industry ever had.
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Which explains why they *need* to move as fast as possible when an incident occurs.
If they wait to long logic and common sense overcome the passion of the moment.
Of course there is also the short attention span that the MSM has instilled into the American public to also consider.
Piers Morgan is very upset.
I’m not convinced. The Brown Shirts had good success in New York, Connecticut, and Colorado. Any more such “victories” and we are undone.
And in the last two months... (Nov. 2012 and Dec. 2012)
MOLON LAVE! WE'LL BUY MILLIONS MORE. ;-)
They can’t wait for the next mass shooting. It will drive their point home and they’ll be able to grab more.
Collectivists love dead bodies. They’re useful.
Colorado...yeah, that bothers me. NY State and Connecticut, not so surprising. NYC dominates the Empire State such that Upstate may as well not exist, and Connecticut has become nothing more than a suburb of NYC.
Ditto with the 2nd Congressional District special race in IL. Even with Emperor Bloomie throwing his millions into the race, it was still not a surprise to anyone who knows that area (i.e. electing a white person wasn’t gonna happen). And in the end, the candidate’s mouthiness aside, the vote count didn’t change.
Mission accomplished-—divide the country more. To me that’s what this has been all about.
“In the worst economy since the Great Depression the firearms industry can’t keep up with orders or expand fast enough.”
I was in a recently opened gun store in Northern California about three weeks ago. You could stir the customers with a stick. My wife ups and buys her first ever handgun, so I decide that it’s time to add to my “collection” and buy one too. They were so busy that we had to wait an hour to get to one of the two computers to electronically fill out the CADOJ paperwork. The store manager said that they were already selling 600 guns a month and had been open for less than two months! Here in CA more than 600,000 guns were purchased in the past year. The store owner also said that every time Obama opens his yap, they have another good day. To those who are decrying what’s happened in CT, NY and CO, I would say wait until next year. Those state legislatures are going to get their collective pee pees whacked by the voters or the courts, or both!
I think if the onerous laws in these states can’t be overturned either in the courts or by the legislators the manufacturers of the gun industry have to make a stand by leaving the state and refusing service/sales to the entire state until all citizens are allowed to own the same as LEO.
For myself, I may just not buy those weapons or supplies from those manufacturers on that basis alone.
They are literally having loads of cash thrown at them to move their operations and there is no reason not to take it...
1. The Constitution prohibits the Government from doing what some of these States have recently done.
2. States whose politicians have openly conspired to violate the civil rights of their citizens under color of authority are now States being run by outlaws.
3. Citizens need not obey the anti-gun laws that have been enacted.
4. Law enforcement officers need not enforce the laws.
5. District Attorneys need not prosecute people arrested for violations of these laws.
6. Citizens who serve on juries have a DUTY to NULLIFY these laws with consistent NOT GUILTY verdicts.
7. Citizens have a DUTY to remove from political office ALL persons who have voted for these laws, and all other persons from public office or public employment who enforce these laws.
Even if nothing comes up for a vote in the U.S. Congress gun owners are not going to forget. In addition to that I believe that 0bamaCare is going to be an even bigger negative for Dems by then and that's going to animate an even larger number of Americans than gun control has.
That’s why the Democrats need amnesty now. And the Republicans will help them. Then in 2014 the Republican Party will be extinguished.
Although gun ownership is protected by the 2nd A, the right to own ammo was not addressed by the recent USSC decisions and without ammo guns are useless for anything other than firewood or scrap metal. This makes me afraid that Obumma will get his way on the gun issue one way or another.
And the writer calls that anecdotal evidence (if it can be believed ). These people live in fantasy world. Even the percentages for gun control can’t be believed. It doesn’t jive with the amount of weapons bought. Look for a false flag soon. They smell blood in the water.
I coined the term "totalitarian anarchy" to refer to government in which those in power claim unlimited authority, but are not themselves bound the rule of law. Someone else suggested using "feudalism" instead; I'm not familiar enough with how things actually worked in feudal societies to know whether that's accurate or not.
Enough weapons have been bought to outfit the Chinese and Indian Armies. That’s hardly an overwhelming mandate for gun control.
Totalitarian anarchy would be a good description of what is going on now. Feudalism would be the goal down the road to the totalitarian anarchists. It would mean that there were no elections, and that the common people could only possess what the totalitarian anarchists allow them to possess.
“The president has certainly done his part.”
Yes; he’s done his part to single-handedly abrogate the Bill of Rights to the United States Constitution.
He’s done his part to concentrate more power in his own hands than that held by any other president in history.
He’s done his part to redraw the United States as some sort of latter-day, Marxist retread.
As for anything productive, he hasn’t done jack sh*t in the last four-plus years.
“The Constitution prohibits the Government from doing what some of these States have recently done.”
Doesn’t the Constitution prevent CONGRESS for doing what these States have done?
And doesn’t the 10th Amendment give States the power not specifically delegated to Congress?
I agree with you generally, but am a little confused.
Maybe a knowledgable 10th Amendment supporter can explain why the 10th Amendment doesn’t apply to the States on the issue of gun “control”.
Obama aimed at the wrong target intentionally or not. He targeted gun possession instead of gun use.
There is blood in the water. They haven't yet realized that it's their own blood and by Nov. 2014 they may have bled out if they don't do something to staunch it soon.
It does because of incorporation.
2014 midterms should be an interesting “shootout”
You will have motivated 2nd Amendment supporting voters (similar to 2010 with anti-Obamacare voters) opposed by the huge OFA financial push to capture the House for the final 2 yrs of Caliph Baraq’s rule.
There will be a false flag. I’m afraid Matt Brackens book will be prophetic.
By this time next year I expect there to be anger over 0bamaCare that will eclipse the gun control backlash. Maybe not, we will see.
If so then that is what will be.
The 10th Amendment argument sounds good to the left, but here is the sticky part. If Congress and the States cannot ignore the rights of the people under the First, Third, Fourth, Fifth and Sixth Amendments, then under what authority can they ignore their rights under the Second Amendment? Why is the 10th Amendment something that the States can use as an excuse to deprive people of their right to keep an bear arms? If the States, under the 10th Amendment can deprive people of their rights under one Amendment, then the States can deprive people of their rights to freedom of religion, freedom of speech, speedy trials, the right to an attorney, the right to privacy, and any other rights that they are presently BOUND and SWORN to UPHOLD AND DEFEND!
Both issues should be strong motivators.
I doubt we’ll get any traction on the economy, since the MSM has already decided:
“It’s the strongest recovery in US history”
“It would have been the strongest recovery in US history if the Republicans hadn’t cut the budget.”
“It does because of incorporation.”
Looked it up. Very interesting. Thank you, that helps my ongoing education.
OK, so now I have this question:
I just read an article stating that North Carolina was considering a bill that reserved their right to establish a religion and make religious laws. How come this doesn’t fall under incorporation?
Sounds like such a law would be flat-out unconstitutional on its face.
It will shot down and has no life. This is where politicians should be held accountability for wasting the tax payers money on frivolous crap.
I typed that to fast.
Shamnesty is likely to be a third negative for Dems, IMO, behind 0bamaCare and gun control. If the GOP can't pick up seats right and left then they are done.
Section 13 of the North Carolina constitution prohibits this. Therefore the state supreme court should nullify it.
Background checks are totally worthless, just liberal feelgood nonsense. If a criminal is not legally allowed to own a firearm he’ll just go down to the ‘hood, or the trailer park, or the bodega, and buy one anyway. The black market is still thriving, and always will be.
In early feudalism, it was pretty close. Feudal society was just gangs of armed men holding strong points. Most realized they needed serfs to grow food for them and their horses, so they had to protect their property (serfs) that were bound to the land. They had almost no restraints on their actions.
During the late medeival period, the church had some influence, but not very much.
So he just moved the game into the UN. It never ends.
Voting machines, same day registration, mail in ballots, no id checks, crooked AGs, corrupt precinct captains. What could go wrong?
That argument raged on FR a while back. Some argue for full restoration of 10th, the other group argued that the 14th gave the right back to the people.
In the end it doesnt matter, it only matters what laws they choose to enforce and what they choose to ignore.
It won't matter unless the laws they passed are repealed, otherwise those Democratic losses will just be viewed as "collateral damage" by the Left and in a few years they'll be back in power to further chip away at what's left.