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After Obama - Republican or Democrat, our next president will be a budget hawk. (VDH)
National Review Online ^ | April 4, 2013 | Victor Davis Hanson

Posted on 04/05/2013 12:03:59 AM PDT by neverdem

We can imagine what lies ahead in 2017 — no matter the result of either the 2014 midterm elections or the 2016 presidential contest.

There will be no more $1 trillion deficits. About $10 trillion will have been added to the national debt during the Obama administration, on top of the more than $4 trillion from the eight-year George W. Bush administration. That staggering sum will force the next president to be a deficit hawk, both fiscally and politically.

In addition, there will be no huge new federal spending programs — no third or fourth stimulus, no vast new entitlements. The debt is so large and voters are so tired of massive borrowing that the next president will talk not of “investments” but of balancing the budget. In 2017, President Hillary Clinton or President Marco Rubio will tell us that cutting spending and living within our means is the new cool.

If eight years of borrowing, printing, spending, and lending vast sums of money at zero interest did not lead to economic recovery, then the antithesis of all that will be the explicit platform of Republicans and the implicit one of Democrats.

Obamacare may remain in name, but in fact most of its provisions will be discarded or amended. Its full implementation next year will result in almost everything that was not supposed to happen: higher health-care premiums, rationed care, scarcer doctors, and fewer jobs. Obamacare will mostly go the way of the Defense of Marriage Act — officially the law of the land, but its enforcement simply ignored by the powers that be.

Despite an increase in carbon emissions since 2000, the planet did not heat up in the last 15 years. Scientists will continue to argue over global warming, but politicians will not talk much more of implementing costly cap-and-trade policies. They will still praise green energy as the way of the future, but they will not continue the massive subsidies needed to substitute it for far cheaper fossil fuels.

Instead, expect a renewal of federal oil and natural-gas leases on public lands. There is too much newly discovered recoverable energy on federal property to continue to delay its full production — and too much of an upside in cheaper gas at the pump, more independence from Middle East autocracies, more jobs, more money, and more economic growth.

Do not expect the same level of increases in disability and unemployment insurance and food stamps. The trajectories of all those programs since 2009 are not sustainable. For all the talk that Social Security and Medicare are not in bad shape, Democrats and Republicans after Obama will be forced to save both programs by either upping the eligibility age, curbing some benefits, or hiking payroll taxes — or all that and more.

The next president will jettison the sort of class warfare that has led only to short-term political gain and long-term polarization. Obama’s “fat cats” and “one percenters” will disappear from the presidential vocabulary. We will hear no more accusations that the successful really did not build their own businesses, or that they should have known when it was time not to profit because they had made quite enough money. Expect just the opposite: a Bill Clinton-like schmoozing of small businesses, asking them to please start buying, hiring, and expanding again.

Aside from the partisan furor over whether the Obama policies have worked — Democrats will say that things would have been worse without them; Republicans will insist that a natural recovery was turned into long-term doldrums — we will not see them continued.

We are institutionalizing, in European style, huge government, high unemployment, sluggish GDP growth, serial annual deficits, ballooning aggregate national debt, and massive dependency, along with near-zero interest rates. The two parties will disagree over the contours of this chronically weak economy, but not over the fact of its weakness — or, soon, even its causes. Most Americans will not wish to continue down the road to Italy or Spain.

Barack Obama is a landmark figure: young, charismatic, seemingly post-national, and supposedly post-racial. For those reasons alone, he enjoys a level of unshakeable political support not predicated on the actual record of his tenure as president (just as most remember fondly that he won the Nobel Prize but don’t quite know what he did to earn it).

Obama’s economic record will be dispassionately acknowledged to be similar to that of Jimmy Carter. But, unlike Carter, Obama will remain a mythical figure in liberal circles.

To borrow a line from a classic Western, “When the legend becomes fact, print the legend.” And so we will do just that.

NRO contributor Victor Davis Hanson is a senior fellow at the Hoover Institution. His The Savior Generals will appear in May from Bloomsbury Books. © 2013 Tribune Media Services, Inc.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: obama; vdh; victordavishanson
Obama's Presidency Won't Stand the Test of Time

That's the title of this essay at Real Clear Politics.

1 posted on 04/05/2013 12:03:59 AM PDT by neverdem
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To: neverdem

The next president will be whoever Soros chooses. I expect to never see another real presidential election in my lifetime. We will go through the motions, but it will be all for show, as the rigging has been perfected.


2 posted on 04/05/2013 1:04:46 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Restore us, O God of hosts; let your face shine, that we may be saved! -Ps80)
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To: Bigg Red
pretty much agree......sad to hand off my America to my children like this.....

it would be nice if we could at least form a solid front in local and state elections, but we have purists who would rather vote for satan than vote for an impure candidate.....

3 posted on 04/05/2013 1:13:04 AM PDT by cherry
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To: neverdem

Hanson is whistling by the graveyard... looking busy..
Refuses to face reality.. Getting democrats out of Washington will take an ARMY...
You will have to remove their cold dead hands from federal power..
Did I say DEAD.. I believe I did..

Getting to those hands will take a boatload of doing..
If you think voting will do it.. what planet are you from.?.
Course you MIGHT get them to start killing each other..
Which is doable...

Because republicans are afraid to be called racists..
They will do NOTHING... except whinny, bleat, and grunt..

So THEN.. How do you turn rabid blood thirsty morons on each other.?.
NOW.. thats the question... expect no help from ANY REPUBLICAN..


4 posted on 04/05/2013 1:38:26 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: hosepipe

Sorry..... A few will Hee HAw.....


5 posted on 04/05/2013 1:45:23 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: neverdem

Why would a scumbag Democrat be a “budget hawk”?
Sorry. No sale.


6 posted on 04/05/2013 1:50:10 AM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Lancey Howard

Why would the low information, live to vote entitletard change his mind just because we are broke? He just wants his free handouts to continue, and there are plenty of democrats that will ride and whip the economy until it falls down dead. By 2017, we will be done as a united country anyway.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 4:02:33 AM PDT by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: neverdem

Just another naive “talking head” that is ignoring reality.

If Hellry wins and d’rats control Congress, the spending & printing presses will be even more out-of-control.

VDH (and others) simply do not get it - we are under attack from vile communists who will stop at nothing to destroy America.


8 posted on 04/05/2013 4:09:32 AM PDT by newfreep (Breitbart sent me...)
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To: Bigg Red

There will never be another conservative for sure.


9 posted on 04/05/2013 4:10:25 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: neverdem

The only way we will get right, fiscally, is through war. The entitled will never do it willingly.


10 posted on 04/05/2013 4:14:03 AM PDT by ryan71 (The republican party is dead to me. Dead. Don't bother trying to revive it.)
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To: ryan71

Sad that you’re correct bump.


11 posted on 04/05/2013 4:25:54 AM PDT by upchuck (Free Republic: faster than a speeding bullet!)
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To: neverdem

The next president “fixing” America is as impossible as undoing an overcooked roast. It is too late. It’s ruined. All you can do is throw it in the trash.


12 posted on 04/05/2013 4:53:24 AM PDT by Flick Lives (We're going to be just like the old Soviet Union, but with free cell phones!)
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To: neverdem
Republican or Democrat, our next president will be a budget hawk.

Yes, if it's a Democrat, they'll say they're a "budget hawk," but it'll be in name only. They'll talk about "reducing the budget deficit" -- which is not the same thing as reducing the overall debt, but they'll call for more spending, making only "responsible investments" in education, infrastructure, and healthcare (which will be on life support by then.)

If by some miracle we have a Republican President, they'll talk a mean game...they may even support "principles" of the Ryan Plan, or some other debt reduction plan. But they'll probably have a Democrat Congress, who will twist the chief executive's arm. The President will vow to veto any budget that's "one penny more" than some arbitrary number. So instead of spending 6 trillion a year, they'll reach a deal that spends only 5 trillion.

13 posted on 04/05/2013 5:28:16 AM PDT by Lou L (Health "insurance" is NOT the same as health "care")
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To: neverdem

Right now yes budget hawk. Come election time they will both be falling all over each other to give things away... buy votes. time and time again proven to work, and the consultants only live in the past.


14 posted on 04/05/2013 5:44:51 AM PDT by Quick Shot
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To: neverdem

It may be decades before we have real, honest elections again. After all, it took Russia 70 years to shake off their soviet yoke (not that they are a model of freedom yet).


15 posted on 04/05/2013 8:20:11 AM PDT by Wordkraft (Remember who the Collaborators are.)
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To: hosepipe

Our party is dying by its own cowardice.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 11:51:02 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: neverdem
“In 2017, President Hillary Clinton or President Marco Rubio will tell us that cutting spending and living within our means is the new cool.”

If Marco Rubio’s Immigration Reform becomes law, the only way he'll become president is by switching parties.

17 posted on 04/05/2013 1:49:35 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: Lancey Howard

Clinton was pretty good on the budget. Better than any Republican in recent memory. I don’t see why a Democrat couldn’t be good on the budget.


18 posted on 04/06/2013 8:03:02 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: neverdem

Our next president will bring back US jobs.

That is my story, and I’m sticking to it.

Now what party he will be from remains to be seen, as both currently seem to be working for China.

But I am just saying. Bring back US jobs.


19 posted on 04/06/2013 8:05:19 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: cherry

Documentation File on the harmful impact of the Counterculture of Obamanation on America.

___________________

Barry Soetoro, aka B. Hussein Obama, 5 days before the end of GWB’s Presidential term, said: “We are five days away from FUNDAMENTALLY TRANSFORMING THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA!”

Going on 5 years now, the best friends that Obama could have had to help him achieve his above stated dastardly goal were the RINO leadership in the US House and Senate, AND THEY ARE STILL IN POWER!

_____________________

IMHO, the Counterculture of Obamanation will continue to destroy America for as long as the US Congressional RINOs allow it to, and not one minute more!


20 posted on 04/06/2013 8:11:40 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

Republicans need to abandon selling out America.

We need to bring back US production, and build things in the USA.

Right now.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 8:13:34 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: jeltz25
Clinton was pretty good on the budget. Better than any Republican in recent memory. I don’t see why a Democrat couldn’t be good on the budget.

You're a joke, right? You are aware that after signing the most massive tax hike in history and losing the House for the rats in 1994, the Republicans dictated "the budget". Clinton was left with little to do but chase young interns and masturbate in the Oval Office sink. I prefer George Bush getting those massive tax CUTS in his first year to anything the toon did.

And if you truly believe that you "don’t see why a Democrat couldn’t be good on the budget", then you must have got your hands on some pretty high-quality LSD. Rats don't do budgets without massive tax hikes as their centerpiece.

FRegards,
LH

(Wait... did you forget a /sarc tag?)

22 posted on 04/06/2013 8:15:30 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
We need to bring back US production, and build things in the USA

How would politicians do that? (Serious question.)

23 posted on 04/06/2013 8:16:47 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: neverdem

The electorate has elected and reelected the most left-wing radical president this country has ever seen. All bets are off.


24 posted on 04/06/2013 8:20:13 PM PDT by windsorknot
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To: Lancey Howard

We need some sort of domestic production-favoring tax code.

Our domestic production was once the wonder of the world. For the last two decades it has almost all, been sent lock stock and barrel overseas.

Now all that remains in America, is the finished package which was trucked in from the ship, from China.

Everything now is made in China.

Bring it back.

Now.


25 posted on 04/06/2013 8:20:25 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Lancey Howard

Funny how those same Republicans dictated a different budget to W, then.

All I know is that federal spending under Clinton reached its lowest levels in 50 years. The budget was in its best shape in a very long time. Was it all him? No. But he has to get some credit.

I preferred Clinton’s 18% spending levels to W’s 22% and doubling of the national debt, but that’s just me.

I’m just saying that party affiliation is no guarantee of anything. A Republican can be bad on the budgte, a democrat can be good. It really depends on the person.


26 posted on 04/06/2013 8:21:26 PM PDT by jeltz25
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To: Lancey Howard

(recognizing I did not completely answer your question)

I deliberately left open a lot of leeway in my answer, because that is where one can easily get in a great deal of trouble very quickly.

Let me just leave it, advocating some sort of domestic production-favoring tax code.

:D

Mostly trying to create the basic desire for American products once again, first.


27 posted on 04/06/2013 8:25:02 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network; Lady Jag; All

Tough to do. The inertia of BIG BROTHER GOVERNMENT has enough support from the gullible to stall out any animal spirits left in the market.

BTW, why do the gullible have a very low opinion of Federal Politicians, but a very high opinion of the Federal Government?

Seems to me, weakest link in the chain defines the strength of the chain - - - and all that. What say you?


28 posted on 04/06/2013 8:34:36 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Graewoulf

I only say one thing:

We will have either full employment, or we will have an ever-growing mess.

I do not want a mess. I want a responsible, smaller government.

So I say fix this. Other reasonable people disagree.

I understand but cannot support that view.

Bring back US jobs from overseas. Now.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 8:39:14 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

The key is to make manufacturing in the United States a profitable venture. The things that hamper profitability are: over-regulation (including primarily the EPA), and labor costs. Ironically, there IS a lot of manufacturing going on in the US - - by Japanese and other foreign car makers. Those companies simply find friendly states to do business in.

I agree that tax policy can certainly help, as well, as long as it involves tax BREAKS.

The main thing is that everyday Americans don’t end up paying more for everyday products because they have to support the scumbag government and the greedy union pinky rings. That would simply amount to a “tax hike” on everyday Americans.

By the way, I do shop at Walmart for the prices.

FRegards,
LH


30 posted on 04/06/2013 8:41:45 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: jeltz25
Was it all him? No. But he has to get some credit.

Why? All that scumbag did was shut down the government several times over budget cuts.

I preferred Clinton’s 18% spending levels to W’s 22% and doubling of the national debt, but that’s just me.

Although I agree those last couple of years of Pelosi and the communists were a killer, there was also the fact that Bush was the guy who came along and had the guts to face down the terrorists after Clinton watched them bomb a 30-foot crater under the World Trade Center and did nothing. An attack on America that took 3,000 lives and a couple of foreign wars can cost a lot of money.

31 posted on 04/06/2013 8:49:23 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Graewoulf

When legit the government is admirable but by all appearances it has been pulling away from somewhat honorable to almost totally corrupt.

I fully suspect the last presidential election was fraudulent to such a degree that we may never have an honest election again.


32 posted on 04/07/2013 8:09:19 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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To: Lady Jag

I our Liberty is in Law. than as a lawyer, write to us what “The Law” should be doing about the weekly violations to the US Constitution by Barry Soetoro, (a legal resident of Indonesia), aka B. Hussein Obama.


33 posted on 04/07/2013 7:12:09 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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