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Well, Great Lakes, It Was Nice Knowing You. Asian Carp Have Arrived.
Takepart.com ^ | 4-5-2013 | Takepart.com

Posted on 04/05/2013 9:03:43 PM PDT by haffast

Ever since Asian carp were accidentally introduced into U.S. rivers in the 1970s, the invasive fish have been hungrily making their way to the Great Lakes, causing residents of the watershed to dread the arrival of carp in delicate Lake ecosystems, and their potential impacts on the 7 billion dollar fishing industry that represents a major economic driver for the region.

Now, a new study suggests that Asian carp have breached southern Lake Michigan, although they have not yet arrived in numbers great enough to devastate native ecosystems.

Scientists at Notre Dame University, Southern Michigan University, and The Nature Conservancy spent two years searching for Asian carp by examining genetic material in the Lake and attempting to match DNA samples to two particularly damaging species of Asian carp, silver and bighead carp.

Out of 2,800 water samples, they found 58 positive links to bighead and silver carp in the Chicago Area Waterway System, which flows directly into Lake Michigan, along with six in western Lake Erie.

Questions remain about how many carp are already in the ecosystem—and how long it will take until the fish begin showing up in numbers large enough to cause serious harm.

“The most plausible explanation is still that there are some carp out there,” lead author Christopher Jerde of the University of Notre Dame told the AP. “We can be cautiously optimistic…that we’re not at the point where they’ll start reproducing, spreading further and doing serious damage.”

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“Our river fisheries are important but not valued in the billions of dollars,” Chapman told TakePart. “Whereas the Great Lakes fisheries are hugely economically important. If you cause any perturbations in fisheries like Lake Eerie’s walleye and yellow perch fisheries, that could be hugely problematic.”

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I knew about Asian carp. My wife carps all the time, but she's not Asian. But I did not know there was an "Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee".

Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee

"As we begin 2013, I think it's important to note that the Asian Carp Regional Coordinating Committee (ACRCC) made significant progress in 2012 along a number of fronts in our efforts to prevent Asian carp from reaching the Great Lakes. For example, the electrical dispersal barriers are now operating at optimal parameters; no new live Asian carp have been found in the CAWS above the electric dispersal barriers, with over 40,000 hours of netting, electrofishing, and keen observation by experienced fisheries biologists; and we're making advances on efforts to identify technologies to control or eradicate Asian carp."
http://asiancarp.us/

1 posted on 04/05/2013 9:03:43 PM PDT by haffast
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To: haffast
I've got recipes. Heck, I've got recipes for the snakeheads. One fish moves in some fish move out.

Zebra mussel, that, I don't have a recipe for.

/johnny

2 posted on 04/05/2013 9:07:13 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: JRandomFreeper
The Zebra mussels turned out not to be all bad.

They cleaned up Lake Erie by filtering its foul waters and they have a native species ... the Lakes Sheephead ... that loves them so much they have multiplied enough to restart a commercial fishery for them in the lake. Other species eat them, too. But the sheephead LOVES'em and is pretty tasty itself.

3 posted on 04/05/2013 9:22:55 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: Kenny Bunk

4 posted on 04/05/2013 9:27:50 PM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: Rebelbase

Running that Helen Thomas photo was uncalled for on a Zebra Mussel thread.

BTW, I heard that zebra mussels themselves are edible by humans, in contrast ... O never mind.


5 posted on 04/05/2013 9:35:48 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The Obama Molecule: Teflon binds with Melanin = No Criminal Charges Stick)
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To: haffast

****Ever since Asian carp were accidentally introduced into U.S. rivers in the 1970s, the invasive fish****

Invasive fish? If I remember correctly the European carp was introduced in the 1800s by the US government.

The Asian grass carp was introduced on purpose in the 1970s to clean up waterways and ponds clogged with moss.


7 posted on 04/05/2013 10:06:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed.)
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To: haffast

I wonder how well that carp will do once those big Northern Pikes get at them. Not many Pikes in the rivers, but plenty in the lakes if I recall correctly.


8 posted on 04/05/2013 10:11:45 PM PDT by Little Pig (Vi Veri Veniversum Vivus Vici.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
The Asian grass carp was introduced on purpose in the 1970s to clean up waterways and ponds clogged with moss.

Thats true. I know a man who paid top $$s for two of them to clean out his 'decorative' pond. It was a pretty fancy affair with lights and landscaping that became overgrown with grasses. The fish cleaned it up in one summer and kept it (returned it) to its intended beauty.
He brought them inside each winter to keep them from freezing up.

9 posted on 04/05/2013 10:13:23 PM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum -- "The Taliban is inside the building")
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To: haffast
Not the same fish as the article, Asian Grass Carp, or white Amurs, are stocked in the Salt River Project canals for weed control:

Weed-eating fish clean canals

There is a canal within walking distance of my house and I sometimes fish for them there. They bite readily on white bread pinched onto a number 6 hook. They get huge and put up a great fight. I pull them up out of the canal, step on them so I can retrieve the hook, then kick them back in. I would eat them except that they are so disgusting and they grow a coating of slime that really stinks. That's why I handle them the way I do.

This guy caught a good one:

10 posted on 04/05/2013 10:24:24 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (People are idiots.)
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To: haffast

Good control tactic is eating them. I hear they are quite good when smoked . . .


12 posted on 04/05/2013 11:27:10 PM PDT by Olog-hai
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To: Jeff Chandler

When I was a kid it was illegal to throw any carp back into Lake Michigan because they ate bass eggs...opposite of catch and release....catch and toss to the raccoons. Not sure if they still have that law.


13 posted on 04/05/2013 11:37:00 PM PDT by Blackirish (Forward Comrades!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Rebelbase

Weird.

Is that ‘shopped or do those fish have people teeth?


14 posted on 04/05/2013 11:40:00 PM PDT by Yardstick
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To: Olog-hai

My personal opinion is we should be allowed to shoot them out of boats with shotguns.


15 posted on 04/05/2013 11:40:12 PM PDT by VRWCarea51
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To: Yardstick

That’s a Saltwater Sheep’s-head. That one is a female from the color. They’re supposed to be tasty....some claim they taste like lobster, although I don’t.


16 posted on 04/05/2013 11:59:43 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: haffast

“Southern Michigan University”

No such thing. Although this is the nickname of the penitentiary in Jackson.


17 posted on 04/06/2013 1:43:16 AM PDT by happyathome
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To: haffast

>> I knew about Asian carp. My wife carps all the time, but she’s not Asian.

But does she comprain or the time?


18 posted on 04/06/2013 1:48:11 AM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: haffast
Notre Dame University

No such place that I know of in the USA.

There is a Notre Dame de Namur University in Silicon Valley. There is a Notre Dame of Maryland University in Baltimore. There is one in Lebanon. And another in Mindanao.

But there is a University of Notre Dame in Indiana.

I always worry about articles that start of with a mistake in the first few sentences. Kind of like calling the University of Texas by the name 'Texas University.'

19 posted on 04/06/2013 3:24:15 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: haffast
I find the phrase "invasive species" racist, "specist," and judgemental. A creature can "invade," but it is wrong to therefore call it "invasive."

How about "uninvited lake inhabitant?"

Regards,

20 posted on 04/06/2013 3:26:32 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: happyathome

Based on your post #17 and my #19, I think Alison Fairbrother needs to work on “attention to details.”

Two fictitious schools in one paragraph.


21 posted on 04/06/2013 3:36:25 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: Little Pig
I wonder how well that carp will do once those big Northern Pikes get at them.

As small fry, they're going to be a great food source for the walleye, lake trout, salmon and bass too........

22 posted on 04/06/2013 3:41:33 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: VRWCarea51
we should be allowed to shoot them out of boats with shotguns.

Gotta use steel shot, the lead shot pollutes the lakes........LOL!

23 posted on 04/06/2013 3:44:00 AM PDT by Hot Tabasco (This space for rent)
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To: haffast

24 posted on 04/06/2013 3:44:20 AM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: JRandomFreeper

Got anything for Cicadas?


25 posted on 04/06/2013 4:01:29 AM PDT by NY.SS-Bar9 (The AR-15 is the Honda Civic of rifles ®)
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To: haffast
A company in Illinois makes fertilizer out of the Asian carp. Check out Schafer Fisheries in Thompson Ill. I am trying it out on the farm his year. Organic 100%.

It is liquid and smells like grandma before she showers but you get used to it.

It feeds soil microbes that tend to the roots and helps break down the fertilizers into usable forms for the plants.

26 posted on 04/06/2013 4:12:58 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (where the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
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To: haffast

The Illegal Invasion Continues!


27 posted on 04/06/2013 6:12:25 AM PDT by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: haffast

The Great Lakes are also subject to massive algae blooms that destroy oxygen needed by all fish.

The asian carp are a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER to the fish populations in the Great Lakes, and every effort should be made to eradicate these destructive fish.


28 posted on 04/06/2013 6:39:28 AM PDT by mohresearcher
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To: Yardstick

No photoshop, those are real Sheepshead teeth.


29 posted on 04/06/2013 8:39:18 AM PDT by Rebelbase (1929-1950's, 20+years for full recovery. How long this time?)
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To: VRWCarea51

“My personal opinion is we should be allowed to shoot them out of boats with shotguns.”

Sporting Carps. :-)


30 posted on 04/06/2013 9:25:13 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Springman; cyclotic; netmilsmom; RatsDawg; PGalt; FreedomHammer; queenkathy; madison10; ...
As usual, lots of stupidity with no real answers.

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31 posted on 04/06/2013 12:17:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: alexander_busek

“I find the phrase “invasive species” racist, “specist,” and judgmental.”

May I suggest, “Undocumented carp”?


32 posted on 04/06/2013 12:21:38 PM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: montanajoe

Its certainly not funny if you make your living off the great lakes sportfishing industry which is worth between 7 and 10 billion per year in Michigan alone.

It would have been so much easier to just shut down the Chicago sewage canal but Obama stepped in on behalf of his Chicago buddies (plus appointed 2 separate czars to not deal with the same issue)


33 posted on 04/06/2013 12:24:18 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: happyathome

Never heard that. Just called it “Cooper Street.”


34 posted on 04/06/2013 12:28:49 PM PDT by Cyber Liberty (I am a dissident. Will you join me? My name is John....)
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To: haffast; Clive; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...
To all- please ping me to Canadian topics.

Canada Ping!

35 posted on 04/06/2013 12:29:54 PM PDT by Squawk 8888 (True North- Strong Leader, Strong Dollar, Strong and Free!)
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To: haffast

I wouldn’t say goodbye to the great lakes exactly but its going to cost taxpayers millions per year to control the carp like it does to control the sea lampreys.


36 posted on 04/06/2013 12:42:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Cyber Liberty
Never heard that. Just called it “Cooper Street.”

That's the local name.
37 posted on 04/06/2013 12:43:40 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: haffast

Asian(silver) carp are a problem but I have a question. Where the Hellis Southern Michigan University? I’ve never heard of that. Northern, Central, and Eastern, yes.


38 posted on 04/06/2013 1:05:45 PM PDT by Darren McCarty (If most people were more than keyboard warriors, we might have won the election)
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To: haffast
If you cause any perturbations in fisheries like Lake Erie’s walleye and yellow perch fisheries, that could be hugely problematic.”

A bit tangential, but note how the recovery of the "dead" Lake Erie is taken for granted by this statement. In the 1970's environmental wackoes were saying that the only fish left were weird mutants who could live on toxic waste. So much for "science" liberal style.

39 posted on 04/06/2013 1:48:50 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Kenny Bunk
The sheephead is also known as freshwater drum, and colloquially as the "sewer inspector" because they can be found around warm water outlets along the shoreline. Bottom feeders, iow, and yes they love to eat mussels and the like. Nature restores the balance.
40 posted on 04/06/2013 1:52:51 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Olog-hai
Asian carp are edible but are godawful to clean. Little y-bones everywhere. Can't really be filleted. Few people can clean them fast enough to make them worthwhile as an eating fish. I believe the Chinese eat them by basically grinding them.
41 posted on 04/06/2013 1:57:33 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: Rebelbase

That’s about as creepy as it gets.


42 posted on 04/06/2013 1:57:36 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas
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To: Darren McCarty

I think the author may have meant Southern Illinois University - Carbondale, but don’t quote me. They were awarded a 1.1 million dollar contract from the state to study the problem and any benefits derived from the fish.


43 posted on 04/06/2013 1:59:11 PM PDT by haffast (Books serve to show a man that those original thoughts of his aren't very new at all. -Abe Lincoln)
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To: Forty-Niner
Saltwater sheepshead, or "prisonfish," are a different fish altogether and taste very much like grouper.
44 posted on 04/06/2013 2:01:30 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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45 posted on 04/06/2013 2:10:16 PM PDT by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Mater tua caligas exercitus gerit ;-{)
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To: Forty-Niner
Saltwater sheepshead, or "prisonfish," are a different fish altogether and taste very much like grouper.
46 posted on 04/06/2013 2:14:23 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: alexander_busek

“I find the phrase “invasive species” racist, “specist,” and judgmental.”

That’s right...there just here for a better life, and to feed their families.


47 posted on 04/06/2013 2:17:33 PM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: hinckley buzzard

I never thought that they tasted like lobster either>>>>>

Actually they are a type of porgy with worldwide distribution.....so a grouper taste is most likely.

The West Coast Sheep’s-head male is colored differently than the East Coast Sheep’s Head/Prison-fish, being a dark blue/purple color overall with only one vertical white strip....the female looks the same as the picture in the original post.....and the same as the East coast variety.


48 posted on 04/06/2013 4:30:12 PM PDT by Forty-Niner (The barely bare berry bear formerly known as Ursus Arctos Horribilis.)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I always worry about articles that start of with a mistake

Is that similar to worry about responses that drop a letter?

49 posted on 04/06/2013 11:22:31 PM PDT by ASA Vet (Don't assume Shahanshah Obama will allow another election.)
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To: ASA Vet

Yes, but much more serious since they dropped two whole universities due to lack of thorough research while I dropped one whole letter due to pore proofreeding.


50 posted on 04/07/2013 4:45:41 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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