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North Korea Prepares to Launch Missile (Fuel Loaded, Weapon on the Pad: Upgrade to Watchcon 2)
ABC News Nightline ^ | 1 hour ago | Bob Woodruff

Posted on 04/10/2013 7:13:05 PM PDT by drewh

Tonight there's urgent new evidence that north korea is ready to launch a missile at any hour, any moment, a show of force, a defiant test of world reaction. ABC news has been told that the fuel has been loaded. The missile is on the pad.

And our bob woodruff is in south korea to bring us more details right now. Reporter: The top u. S.

Defense official responded to kim jong-un'sising rhetoric today. North korea's actions have been skating very close to a dangerous line. Reporter: There is some anxiety growing on the streets and in the subways of seoul amid south korean news reports than emergency threat levels jumped to watchcon-2, which is one step away from war.

Even as koreans went about their daily routines, young koreans have lived through endless propaganda and missile tests for decades. Now even they are starting to wonder about kim jong-un. He is very crazy.

Reporter: He's crazy? Parents are getting nervous. Sae jung kim told me for the first time in this conflict tomorrow, she will not take her son to kindergarten.

Any strike, anywhere else, i want my kids to be with me. Reporter: Even if that happens, that missile would be mid range called muse dan. Never before tested.

Powerful enough to travel 2,000 miles putting us bases in okinawa or guam within its reach. Moving patriots missiles into position around tokyo.

The danger here is kim jong-un has ramped up the tension to such a point that even the smallest action could provoke a larger fight, a war or significant military clash. Reporter: As for timing, most believe this launch will happen sometime this week because next monday is kim jong-un's grandfather's birthday. On that day, most of these launches have happened in the morning

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: china; japan; korea; nkorea; northkorea; obama; russia; waronterror
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To: Axenolith; BushCountry

NK doesn’t have much of an air force.

They do have over 13,000 artillery pieces of the 170 mm and 240 MLRS variety. Much of it within range of Seoul.

They also have about a million men in their army, not the best equipped but willing to walk the 35 miles to Seoul.

They also have about 300 short range Scud type rockets. To which they have the capability of loading their large stockpiles of chemical and bio weapons. They have large stockpiles of the worst chem and bio weapons on the planet. These can hit all of SK and Tokyo quite easily.


101 posted on 04/11/2013 3:41:21 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

440 modern aircraft are also based near the DMZ capable of carry chemical and biological weapons. On March 29, 2012 report came out that KPAF had dramatically increased the number of flights to 650 per day. There Air Force is not as modern, but they have been moving up all their assets to the DMZ to support a ground invasion.

What most people don’t understand is that the US Troops on the DMZ are not there to stop the invasion (not nearly enough), American troops are there to provide a canon fodder trip wire. To cross the DMZ you have to kill Americans, meaning you are dead when we respond. If Kim Jong-un believes Obama is too weak to respond, South Korea is his.


102 posted on 04/11/2013 4:04:07 AM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: Broker
The MSM is clueless and dismissive.
Our Resident is a proven Illegal Marxist.
Our DOD is managed by Hagelian boobs.
Our CIA is managed by a Moslem in drag Brennan.
Our SOS served in Viet Nam and colluded with the enemy.
Our military is castrated, feminized & queered up.
American people are ignorant at best and pitifully stupid.

I'd like to join Commander Riker in applauding your most excellent post:


103 posted on 04/11/2013 4:16:43 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: BushCountry

Kim can kill millions but he can’t take South Korea without help from China.

Those 440 aircraft won’t make it past the DMZ. There is an amazing amount of air defenses on the DMZ and coastal areas which will certainly take out his dated aircraft.


104 posted on 04/11/2013 4:17:34 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver
I wonder if you’d act so brave if you were actually within range of their weapons?

Oh no...I'd shrink back in total fear. I am a coward at heart. Come and ask people who know me.

105 posted on 04/11/2013 4:22:51 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: drewh; All

Notice how they say WATCHCON. Not DEFCON, but rather WATCHCON.

DEFCON refers to armed forces readiness posture. The highest DEFCON alert in recent times was on 9-11, when we went to DEFCON 3.

WATCHCON refers to ONLY joint reconnaissance efforts between ROK and US forces.

So what happens is, we’re only watching, not doing anything about it.

This is kabuki theater.


106 posted on 04/11/2013 4:24:57 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: drewh

Partay on...!


107 posted on 04/11/2013 4:28:13 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: drewh
has ramped up the tension to such a point that even the smallest action could provoke a larger fight

Hold it folks, nobody picks their nose...

108 posted on 04/11/2013 4:32:25 AM PDT by John123 (US$ - I owe you nothing. Euro - Who owes you nothing.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

keyboard commando in other words


109 posted on 04/11/2013 4:36:05 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Drill Thrawl
Hey Kim, bet you can’t hit DC with one of your rockets. Go ahead, I triple dog dare ya.

If he attacked Detroit instead, would anyone notice?

110 posted on 04/11/2013 5:20:55 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: drewh

Somehow I can’t help but think this is based on some kind of behind-the-scenes agreement between this government and the North Koreans to give Obama some political cover as gun control, budget and amnesty legislation go forward.


111 posted on 04/11/2013 5:25:38 AM PDT by ScottinVA (Gun control: Steady firm grip, target within sights, squeeze the trigger slowly...)
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To: txhurl
About 50 freepers live in Austin. Despite the lib enclaves, Austin is one of the most heavily defended cities, probably in the top 5. Don’t ask any of us how we know.

I'm a bit further away from Austin than you are, but don't know how accurate the missles are that un has.

112 posted on 04/11/2013 5:37:32 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: driftdiver
They do have over 13,000 artillery pieces of the 170 mm and 240 MLRS variety. Much of it within range of Seoul.

They also have about a million men in their army, not the best equipped but willing to walk the 35 miles to Seoul.

They also have about 300 short range Scud type rockets. To which they have the capability of loading their large stockpiles of chemical and bio weapons. They have large stockpiles of the worst chem and bio weapons on the planet. These can hit all of SK and Tokyo quite easily.

This is the scary part.

113 posted on 04/11/2013 5:46:29 AM PDT by McGruff (You are either with us or you are with the RINOs.)
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To: driftdiver

Those aircraft will not be launch until 19,000 artillery until have started bombarding the capital. I know you have confidence, but remember only one side will be playing fair and the good guys are hamstrung.


114 posted on 04/11/2013 6:31:25 AM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: drewh

Have a buddy going to China this week. Just north of the NORK border.

He asked me to call him if it got hairy. He is a bit isolated at his current job site, and wants to know what is going on before he flies out.


115 posted on 04/11/2013 6:32:39 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: wxgesr
BUT.....what if their satellite in LEO, is a nuke and is triggered at 300NM over D.C. and NY in the 17?

This one isn't. The next one might be.

116 posted on 04/11/2013 6:36:13 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I hope we are lucky enough to see it blow up on the launch pad if it does...or one of those 3 feet off the ground launches. I even wonder if they have a range safety officer or someone who can terminate the launch if it goes in the wrong direction...say North? Lots to wonder about...


117 posted on 04/11/2013 6:40:09 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Old Sarge

I’ll second that applause...with the exception of the military. I still believe the majority of its leaders have not succumbed to the wussification the last 5 years or so ha foisted on hem. I hope.


118 posted on 04/11/2013 6:43:13 AM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Former Proud Canadian
BUT.....what if their satellite in LEO, is a nuke and is triggered at 300NM over D.C. and NY in the 17?

This one isn't. The next one might be.

I hope you're right. Would appreciate any insight as to why you say it's not.

119 posted on 04/11/2013 6:45:48 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: redgolum

My son is going to Seoul in a few weeks. He is in his 20’s and of course thinks he is invincible. I am scared to death.


120 posted on 04/11/2013 7:01:38 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: steve86

There’s a big twist to that, called “overkill”.

Overkill does not mean hitting the same target with multiple warheads. Instead it means that missiles are so very prone to failure that there must be target redundancy, or else many targets will not be hit at all.

Even the US, which produces the finest missiles in the world, was assumed to have about a 50% failure rate with liquid fueled missiles, reduced to about 30% with the use of solid propellant.

The Soviet Union never got anywhere near this success rate, and North Korea is probably around a 75% failure rate. Iran would also likely have a very high failure rate.

The bottom line is that the only time the NKors should risk fueling their rockets is just prior to launch. Iran is much more careful, realizing that their fueling can be detected via satellite, so have now built silos for its missiles, so that the process is hidden underground.


121 posted on 04/11/2013 7:02:08 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: SueRae
Bear this in mind: the true movers and shakers in the military are the ones at the 15-20 year mark in their careers. They are "middle management": the LTC's and COL's, the SFC's and MSG's. The planners at Brigade and Division, the guys who come up with the mission.

These folks came into the service during the time of William the Impeached. They fought the War on Terror and were bombarded daily with the drumbeat of the Left. They now owe their position and their pensions to The Obama.

The service academies are now training this generation to look upon us as "knuckle-dragging-teabagging-neocon-bitter-clingers". You have no doubt seen post after post on FR citing the training manuals and official statements.

I have little patience with all the "oathkeeper" nonsense. Careerists and LIFER's in uniform are no less apparatchiks than Congress or the Media. They want their pay and benefits package, and then their pensions and their dachas by the lake after a lifetime of faithful service to The Obama.

122 posted on 04/11/2013 7:24:45 AM PDT by Old Sarge (We are officially over the precipice, we just havent struck the ground yet...)
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To: Aurorales

Seoul is a great city for the most part. The extreme density of the population surprises most Americans. Even more congested then New York City.

The night life can get wild but if he stays with a group he should have a lot of fun. If he has a chance to get out and see any of the national parks he should. I’ve been to several which had 2000-3000 yr old temples and other objects on them. Lots of history.


123 posted on 04/11/2013 7:58:24 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Aurorales

BTW, the local SK news channels are saying they expect NK to attack American territory, not SK.


124 posted on 04/11/2013 8:00:04 AM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: CommieCutter

What hell Obama drinking in that photo ROFL


125 posted on 04/11/2013 8:57:27 AM PDT by SevenofNine (We are Freepers, all your media bases belong to us ,resistance is futile)
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To: Arrowhead1952

haven’t heard any of the news outlets really question why austin? has to be some kind of Bush connection. Just like the gulf war, 911, iraq war, etc there always seems to be a little bit of bush family hanging out the sides of the sandwich. Old man bush must be really corrupt - or have the dirt on all these guys - or really screwed them and their pappys over royaly back in the day.

Bush - the gift that keeps on giving to the detrement of the US Constitution...


126 posted on 04/11/2013 9:12:17 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (collapse death heartburn heartache dingdongs diaherea)
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To: drewh

what everyone needs to focus on is fatboy’s aunt and uncle. They are really running the show via military. They are old school, getting old - and have a grudge to settle. It is unlikely they wish to die without first setting foot in seoul. North Korea can easily take seoul in one day. There is no question about that ability. And they can do that with conventional forces since they outnumber the SK military significantly. They will use the artillery on SK and US bases, not seoul (they want to preserve it, make it the new unified capital) and basically have free reign of the penninsula within 72 hours. Once they hold it, things become a bloodbath for the US. And with public opinion the way it is, obama is unlikely to commit more than token forces to that battle. Most likely becomes and unending series of “Peace” negotiations which we could never win. After a few years of ruling in seoul and reaping profits from nationalized industries little kim will have the ability to strike japan hard. China will enjoy that and be ready to take long expected revenge against JP for old sins by taking a few islands, anything related to energy production, and let NK worry about the rest. Forget talk about an EMP strike. Not powerful enough. And NK has no need or desire to strike the US mainland, just spook the populace out of fighting back when he take seoul. We are safe and sound - seoul, however, is in very real danger this time. NK has moved significant forces to the border quietly over the past 12 months as well as increased infiltration onto the SK side of the dmz in prep for something. Little kim things he is golden - he thinks it is his time.


127 posted on 04/11/2013 9:52:45 AM PDT by Deathtomarxists (collapse death heartburn heartache dingdongs diaherea)
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To: OB1kNOb
Best article I've seen on the NK satellite. Not to worry, yet.

http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2012-12/19/north-korean-satellite?page=all

128 posted on 04/11/2013 10:09:38 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian (Obamanomics-We don't need your stinking tar sands oil, we'll just grow algae.)
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To: drewh

Based upon what’s going on over here right now, I hope the Nork’s succeed. I hope they get DC first.

Sorry, that’s what its come to.


129 posted on 04/11/2013 10:14:28 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Venturer

Prove it.

I think they launch, our missile defense system fails, and they end up nuking SK at least, maybe Japan too. Big winner under that scenario is China!

The Nork’s may end up hitting a US city, but this is going to be a proxy play that ends up severing our commitment to Japan at the end of WWII.

Obama has signaled the end of the US’s willingness to provide global economic or military stability.

China and Russia won’t invade us, but they may seek to cripple us.

What the press has yet to report is the unprecidented level of anger Europe and Asia has over US monetary policy. “Act of War” has been the words used over all the pumping.

Europe has reached its syphillitic end. The US will be a non-factor. China and Russia will remain.

It’ll be funny for the survivors to see if they’ll cooperate from there. Hitler was counting on the Brits to surrender, which screwed everything up for him from that point on.

We are getting what we voted for. I’ve said this before - as long as it takes the President plus one to launch nukes, why wouldn’t you want to waste the US seaboards with this guy in office?

They should have done it when Nancy was Speaker. You’d have had to go down the chain of succession a long way to find someone willing to give the go code.

Obama is the “Revenge on the USA” tour. Retribution is the only theme that fits this guy’s agenda. Anybody that doesn’t think he’s a successful President is using their own scorecard, and not the one Obama is using.


130 posted on 04/11/2013 10:24:40 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: Former Proud Canadian

Thanks.


131 posted on 04/11/2013 10:56:20 AM PDT by OB1kNOb (If govmt is stockpiling guns, ammo, food, & meds, don't you think it's a good idea to do the same?)
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To: Deathtomarxists
haven’t heard any of the news outlets really question why austin?

Rush thinks it is because Samsung recently opened a big plant here.

132 posted on 04/11/2013 11:44:16 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (For Jay Carney - I heard your birth certificate is an apology from the condom factory.)
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To: driftdiver
keyboard commando in other words

Oh, yes sir. That's me.

133 posted on 04/11/2013 11:45:49 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: BushCountry

We haven’t really fought to win since the end of WWII. We accepted a tie in Korea, a loss in Vietnam, and the uncertain results in GW1, OIF and OEF, with the only exception being Grenada. Even that had some problems. I don’t think we’d know what to do if we did win, and we certainly aren’t going to carpet-bomb like we did in WWII, or do whatever is necessary to achieve a victory.


134 posted on 04/11/2013 12:57:28 PM PDT by 22202NOVA (DoD civilian, retired Army and proud of my service.)
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To: SunkenCiv

bfl


135 posted on 04/11/2013 1:16:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach ((The Global Warming Hoax was a Criminal Act....where is Al Gore?))
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To: BushCountry

“Can America really fight a great war?”

I encourage you to review the last decade or so of history. The US is winding up two of the longest wars in it’s history. You’ll also find that Iraq had one of the largest militaries on the planet and were defeated in a “great war” like the one you posit we can no longer fight.

If you look further back in our history, you will find draft riots, incompetent presidents, incompetent generals, opposition to conflict, and plenty of depleted backbones - even during the Revolution. The only exception to this is WWII.

Sadly, I think Americans generally lack the depth of historical knowledge to understand or accept the fact that WWII is the EXCEPTION, not the rule for US wars throughout her history. Obama is a McClellan not an Eisenhower, so you can see the depths to which we are screwed. The American people have always lacked the “backbone” for total war (to use your word). Isolation has generally been our first reaction to conflicts. The difference has always been leadership and political will.


136 posted on 04/11/2013 1:22:04 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: Owl558

In the days leading up to the 2003 invasion of Iraq and the following Iraq War, the Army consisted of 375,000 troops. No where near a million plus. Iraq did not have 19,000 artillery units capable of hitting our forces on day one. Nor the number or tanks and millions of land mines protecting their troops. This would be Iraq times three easily.

But I agree whole-heartily we do not have the political will or the leadership for this fight. If something does happen, screwed is too soft of term.


137 posted on 04/11/2013 2:59:30 PM PDT by BushCountry (What does it matter now!!)
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To: BushCountry

“This would be Iraq times three easily.”

Yes, I agree with your thinking on this point. And Iraq didn’t have nuclear weapons. One nuke and Seoul is done. Of course the payback would be a b**ch.

People like to posture on the N. Korea threads about what a pushover N. Korea would be, but I never agreed with that position. Whatever the status of their equipment, their soldiers will be motivated.

Iraq and Afghanistan have taught us that a motivated enemy with little more than small arms and mortars can wage an effective guerilla war against superior technology - IEDs are decidedly low tech. The Korean War taught us that N. Korean soldiers can be as tough as any soldiers on the planet. Hanging over all of this is China.

I’m not trying to refute my previous arguement :) I still think Americans have it in them to fight a big war. Maybe one last big war like Britian in the ‘40s or the Ottoman’s in 1914 before we exhaust ourselves as a world power. After that....I can’t say.


138 posted on 04/11/2013 4:36:20 PM PDT by Owl558 (Think twice before speaking once)
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To: drewh

Time to nuke ‘em till they glow. Then we won’t have to deal with that problem anymore.


139 posted on 04/11/2013 7:36:58 PM PDT by FlyingEagle
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To: Drill Thrawl

When all the politicians and their families haul ass for the hills, you know something’s coming. Those cowards will run like hell and they won’t tell a soul until it’s over. The government must continue, you know.


140 posted on 04/11/2013 8:52:51 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: VerySadAmerican

United States and South Korean armed forces placed at ‘vital alert’ Watchcon 2

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/united-states-and-south-korean-armed-forces-placed-at-vital-alert-watchcon-2/story-fnd134gw-1226617936354?sv=8b9463b851769267d35b046ac4a79970#.UWhUv9g3jkc.twitter


141 posted on 04/12/2013 12:09:57 PM PDT by CMB_polarization
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