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Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill
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Posted on 04/11/2013 8:54:36 AM PDT by Sub-Driver

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To: JohnBrowdie
it doesn’t matter what the senate does. this is DOA in the house.

Says who? The GOP doesn't give two shiites about its constituency anymore. Sorry to be such a damper, but why would anything change now?

101 posted on 04/11/2013 2:45:09 PM PDT by cardinal4 (Constitution? What Constitution?)
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To: Sub-Driver

Both my Kansas senators were for the filibuster. But no chance to celebrate my senators.

Because while this is DOA in the House, I fear everyday more of a conflict brewing in this nation. I have had the feeling since 2007, but really since 2000 election.

Been fearing an armed conflict more than an economic collapse. My reason is that we will go to conflict over social issues, gun issues or Islamic extremism or a side will get fed up and start trouble before any economic collapse.

Or a second idea is that the tyrannical government will take some radical action and its on.

And then we have threats of rouge nations attacking. And that would start things rolling if they try to take this nation out.

So not much worth celebrating. kind of pessimistic.


102 posted on 04/11/2013 3:51:24 PM PDT by Mozilla
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To: CityCenter
It isn’t really the worst thing that could happen. Now they all have to go on the record and we get our list of who to vote out of office in 2014. Plus this is going nowhere in the House.

Famous last words.

103 posted on 04/11/2013 4:21:03 PM PDT by ecomcon
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To: Old Sarge

Liars, traitors, fools and whores.


104 posted on 04/11/2013 5:02:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Where’s a good German U-Boat when you need one.


105 posted on 04/11/2013 5:04:56 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: CityCenter
Plus this is going nowhere in the House.

That's what you think. What you think may have little to do with reality.

Read it and weep.

106 posted on 04/11/2013 5:05:28 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: JohnBrowdie; taildragger
Let him run his Bolshevik Bills in the Senate only to Die in the House...

Looks like you may get reason to regret that bravado.

107 posted on 04/11/2013 5:07:30 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (An economy is not a zero-sum game, but politics usually is.)
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To: Carry_Okie
I mean really, I just heard, you have to remind we have a bunch of back stabbing weasels as leaders...

I fear the Republic is over...

108 posted on 04/11/2013 5:24:17 PM PDT by taildragger (( Tighten the 5 point harness and brace for Impact Freepers, ya know it's coming..... ))
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To: JohnBrowdie

Never doubt the GOP’s ability to stab us all in the back.


109 posted on 04/11/2013 6:17:34 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (The Doomsday Clock is at 11:59:00......tick-tock, tick-tock, tick-tock.....)
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To: CityCenter
"Plus this is going nowhere in the House."

Oh, don't worry..It will never pass the house...(snicker)...

We haven't learned a damned aver the years, have we..? Just as sure as God made little green apples thous sticky butted, lousy, back stabbing, treasonous SOB's in washinton will sell American out..!!!

Just LOOK at all the work this will create for the lawyers.!!! I'm sure glad SOMEBODYS got a JOB...Now we just need to find some way to get them to pay TAXES..!!! But its dammed hard to do because all of the laws they create, don't apply to THEM..!!!

Do we really believe that the cockeyed politicians are going to give up THEIR rights to arms.?? Half of them are crazier then $HIT HOUSE RATS..!! They got their head doctors on call 24-7.. DC is prozac city..!!

We better get off our hands and do something real soon or there is only be TWO jobs Left in the USA... CROOKS and COPS..!!

Some of us already know which side were going to be on because were not going to give up our God given rights (GUNS) come hell or high water..!!!

...sorry for the rant...but I can see it coming...the house WILL pass it...watch and see...

110 posted on 04/11/2013 6:23:14 PM PDT by unread
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To: TexasCajun

If this passes will I have to register my box of strawberry frosted pop tarts? Wonder how much I could get for them at a gun buy back if I nibble them into the shape of a gun like that little boy did a few weeks ago.

That could be a real money maker!


111 posted on 04/11/2013 6:46:22 PM PDT by kevslisababy
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To: Sub-Driver
Useless RINOS allow crap like this. This is an example section about transportation. It means that driving across state lines with your side arm holstered would be outlawed. Beyond that, the definition of transportation includes stopping for lodging. So if I stop in Ohio overnight on my way to NC, I can’t load my gun and have it in my room with me. It has to be unloaded, locked, and inaccessible. What does that have to do with shooting kids in a school. But oh, we need this bill to honor the memory of those Newtown kids. What a crock.

And it says that they need probable cause to arrest you for a violation of this law, but most state databases have a list of the CPL holders, so that would probably constitute probable cause for a search. And in any case if pulled over most states require a CPL holder to declare himself as such during a traffic stop, probably also enough to warrant a search.

Look at some of the crap in the senate gun COMPROMISE bill the republicans agreed on:

SEC. 128. INTERSTATE TRANSPORTATION OF FIREARMS OR AMMUNITION. (a) In General.-Section 926A of title 18, United States Code, is amended to read as follows: "926A. Interstate transportation of firearms or ammunition "(a) Definition.-In this section, the term ‘transport'- "(1) includes staying in temporary lodging overnight, stopping for food, fuel, vehicle maintenance, an emergency, medical treatment, and any other activity incidental to the transport; and "(2) does not include transportation- "(A) with the intent to commit a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding 1 year that involves a firearm; or "(B) with knowledge, or reasonable cause to believe, that a crime described in subparagraph (A) is to be committed in the course of, or arising from, the transportation. "(b) Authorization.-Notwithstanding any provision of any law (including a rule or regulation) of a State or any political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by this chapter from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm or ammunition shall be entitled to- "(1) transport a firearm for any lawful purpose from any place where the person may lawfully possess, carry, or transport the firearm to any other such place if, during the transportation- "(A) the firearm is unloaded; and "(B)(i) if the transportation is by motor vehicle- "(I) the firearm is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the motor vehicle; or "(II) if the motor vehicle is without a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the firearm is- "(aa) in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console; or "(bb) secured by a secure gun storage or safety device; or "(ii) if the transportation is by other means, the firearm is in a locked container or secured by a secure gun storage or safety device; and "(2) transport ammunition for any lawful purpose from any place where the person may lawfully possess, carry, or transport the ammunition, to any other such place if, during the transportation- "(A) the ammunition is not loaded into a firearm; and "(B)(i) if the transportation is by motor vehicle- "(I) the ammunition is not directly accessible from the passenger compartment of the motor vehicle; or "(II) if the motor vehicle is without a compartment separate from the passenger compartment, the ammunition is in a locked container other than the glove compartment or console; or "(ii) if the transportation is by other means, the ammunition is in a locked container. "(c) Limitation on Arrest Authority.-A person who is transporting a firearm or ammunition may not be- "(1) arrested for violation of any law or any rule or regulation of a State, or any political subdivision thereof, relating to the possession, transportation, or carrying of firearms or ammunition, unless there is probable cause that the transportation is not in accordance with subsection (b); or "(2) detained for violation of any law or any rule or regulation of a State, or any political subdivision thereof, relating to the possession, transportation, or carrying of firearms or ammunition, unless there is reasonable suspicion that the transportation is not in accordance with subsection (b).". (b) Technical and Conforming Amendment.-The table of sections for chapter 44 of title 18, United States Code, is amended by striking the item relating to section 926A and inserting the following: "926A. Interstate transportation of firearms or ammunition.".

112 posted on 04/11/2013 6:47:08 PM PDT by JTHomes (28th: Congress shall make no law respecting economics , or prohibiting the free exercise of markets)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Both the RINOs from Tennessee joined the traitors. . . .

. . . as did both the RINOs from Georgia. The Georgia State Republican Party is dead to me.

113 posted on 04/11/2013 7:49:59 PM PDT by Hoodat (I stand with Rand.)
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To: Sub-Driver
Senate overcomes filibuster, votes to open debate on gun bill Republicans betray gun owners... Again

There. I fixed it.

114 posted on 04/11/2013 8:14:32 PM PDT by Redcloak (Winter is coming.)
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To: cotton1706

Corker coasted to reelection in 2012 with nary a whiff of opposition. He drew Democrat support, as he always wanted.


115 posted on 04/12/2013 5:26:40 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: thesearethetimes...

It’s probably Jimmy Carter getting to the GA senators; he tells them in their ears to be “satesmen”. GA voters are as nearly as clueless in such matters as those elsewhere.


116 posted on 04/12/2013 5:29:43 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: SharpRightTurn

People in TN think of Alexander the way the SC uninformed think of Graham. They have no idea of either’s liberal tendencies.


117 posted on 04/12/2013 5:33:38 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Travis McGee

So just how does a WV perennial politician own a yacht? And does he favor the tax on yachts, first proposed by none other than Abraham Lincoln, who made WV a state?


118 posted on 04/12/2013 5:34:52 AM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: Theodore R.

Theodore R. posted - “It’s probably Jimmy Carter getting to the GA senators...”

Lol! Oh heck no, hardly anyone listens to Jimmah anymore! A few years back, even Emory had to make attendance mandatory when he spoke there!

Thank You Lord, for blessings great, and small.
Tatt


119 posted on 04/12/2013 8:29:29 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: Theodore R.

Oh! And this is quite good from your profile. Although, very sad, and very true.

“Political heroes: Too few to mention. Once you say something nice about a politician, he lets you down.”

May God bless FRiend.
Tatt


120 posted on 04/12/2013 8:33:39 AM PDT by thesearethetimes... ("Courage, is fear that has said its prayers." Dorothy Bernard)
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To: ecomcon

These will hardly be my last words on any subject. :-)


121 posted on 04/12/2013 8:45:02 AM PDT by CityCenter (No matter how good your PR is, you can't outsmart the truth.)
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To: JTHomes
As a gun owner, you WANT this provision. It prevents states from prohibiting interstate traveling with a firearm. Right now, states can pass whatever restrictions they want on travelers. A state can prohibit you from traveling with a firearm, in any condition. For example, California could pass a law saying that you can't travel with a firearm in California unless you have a California permit. What this provision does is limit state prohibitions. Under this provision, a state cannot prevent you from traveling with a firearm if it is unloaded, in a locked case, etc. If Ohio permits you to travel with a loaded side arm holstered, that would still be permitted under this law. But if Ohio were to suddenly changes its laws and become more restrictive, they can't be more restrictive than these minimum federal requirements for transport.

Re-read this carefully. It says “Notwithstanding any provision of any law (including a rule or regulation) of a State or any political subdivision thereof, a person who is not prohibited by this chapter from possessing, transporting, shipping, or receiving a firearm or ammunition shall be entitled to- “(1) transport a firearm for any lawful purpose ...”, and spells out the conditions under which a state must allow an owner to transport a firearm.

If you still don't understand it, find a good lawyer who can explain the provision.

(btw, Ohio requires that you have a license (permit) if you want to carry a loaded firearm holstered. If you are a non-resident, you must have a license from a state which Ohio recognizes for reciprocity. The good news is that North Carolina is one of those states. So, if you have a North Carolina permit, you can continue to drive through Ohio with your loaded firearm in your holster. If you don't have a recognized license, Ohio requires that you carry the firearm unloaded and either in an enclosed case or in plain view with the action open.)

122 posted on 04/13/2013 11:20:27 PM PDT by Traveling Lawyer (Not all lawyers can read, and not all readers can understand the law.)
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To: Traveling Lawyer

Sorry, that’s not a good trade. I understand what you are saying, but a state might as well ban traveling with a gun if I can’t have it loaded. “Any lawful purpose provided... the firearm is unloaded”. “Definition of Travel includes overnight lodging”. I’m better off with a baseball bat than an unloaded gun. I have a concealed permit, and understand the reciprocity laws of the states I travel in. But I see no provisions that preserve those rights. And when legislation like this is whip banged through the process like this one is, there is no chance for public feedback or proper analysis of the impact. Which is just what the traitors to the constitution want.

None of this should be open to debate. Otherwise, why not open up the 13th and 14th amendments to find reasonable restrictions? Maybe we can let Mexicans gain US citizenship with 3 years indentured servitude? That’s ridiculous of course, so why is tinkering with the 2nd Amendment tolerated?

I would much prefer that when a State passes an unconstitutional law, that the Feds use their power under the commerce clause as intended to make such laws unenforceable.


123 posted on 04/15/2013 6:59:08 AM PDT by JTHomes (28th: Congress shall make no law respecting economics , or prohibiting the free exercise of markets)
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