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Southern Poverty Law Center Finds Fewer Militias, Hypes Militia Threat Anyway (FR mentioned)
Reason ^ | March 7, 2013 | Jesse Walker

Posted on 04/11/2013 10:15:58 AM PDT by AuntB

The Southern Poverty Law Center has released its annual report on "The Year in Hate and Extremism," in which the organization estimates the size of the "extremist" threat. Since its count of hate groups has dropped since last year—the number went down from 1,018 to 1,007—the center is hyping a 7 percent increase in another category: what it calls "conspiracy-minded antigovernment 'Patriot' groups." The SPLC's definition of "Patriot" is pretty broad: The list ranges from the conservative websites WorldNetDaily and FreeRepublic.com to the Moorish Science Temple and its offshoots. The Moors, a black militant movement, are presumably included because they sometimes borrow ideas from the sovereign citizens and other folks often associated with the right.

For SPLC Senior Fellow Mark Potok, that 7 percent surge is a sign that a growing terrorist threat demands the Department of Homeland Security's attention:

Eighteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, the Oklahoma City federal building was bombed. Today, with our country’s political polarization at historic levels and government officials being furiously demonized by Patriots, we may be approaching a comparable moment.

In the 1990s, warnings that might have averted some of the violence from the radical right failed to stick. Now, as we face another large and growing threat from the extremists of the Patriot movement, the country needs to do better. One important start would be to demand that the Department of Homeland Security, which gutted its non-Islamic domestic terrorism unit after unjustified criticism from the political right, rebuild its important intelligence capabilities.

A different story emerges if you study the list itself. For one thing, while the number of Patriot groups has gone up since last year, the number of militia groups has gone down, from 334 to 321. That doesn't necessarily mean that there are fewer people involved in militias: One quirk of the SPLC's decision to measure activity by counting groups is that if an organization splinters in a faction fight that shows up as growth, but if two smaller groups join forces it looks like shrinkage. But given that Potok invokes the militias in both the opening and the conclusion of his article, and given that the article makes a big deal of the increased Patriot count, it seems disingenuous not to mention that the militia count is actually declining.

More important, neither the number of militias nor the number of Patriot groups writ large is a good proxy for the number of potential terrorists. As I wrote in response to an earlier edition of the SPLC's list, the Oath Keepers—whose chapters take up 67 spots on the 2013 list—have a history of distancing themselves from violent-minded supporters, and the whole point of the organization is to persuade the government's agents to refuse orders the group considers unconstitutional, a central tactic not of terrorism but of nonviolent civil resistance. Meanwhile, 41 groups on the SPLC list are chapters of the John Birch Society. Far from an adjunct to the militias, the Birchers—notorious for their own conspiracy theories—devoted a lot of effort in the '90s to debunking the more elaborate conspiracy yarns popular in much of the militia world. They frown on insurrectionary violence, too, sometimes suggesting that it merely plays into the hands of the Grand Cabal.[snip]


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; Miscellaneous; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: amnesty; fr; freerepublic; hatelist; norquist; propaganda; racebaiting; rubio; splc; spovertylawcenter
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I couldn't find this article posted, since it mentions FR, I thought it should be, though it is a month old.

Lately SPLC talking points are being used by REPUBLICANS against most of us to pass amnesty!

[snip]At the heart of the attack is the accusation that the leading members of some groups critical of immigration policy were or still are environmentalists and liberals. This attack piggybacks on earlier work by the Southern Poverty Law Center that used some of the same information to accuse those groups of being tied to Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist groups. There’s something rather strange when “conservative sites” not only begin advocating for illegal alien amnesty, but begin repeating the claims that the Center for American Progress, Mother Jones and the Southern Poverty Law Center were making about anti-immigration groups 5-10 years ago. The same Norquist tactics being used to attack the anti-immigration movement can and will be used to attack the Counterjihadist camp. http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Splc

1 posted on 04/11/2013 10:15:59 AM PDT by AuntB
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To: AuntB

Marxist idiots.


2 posted on 04/11/2013 10:18:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: AuntB

So despite any corroborating evidence, patriotic, liberty-minded Americans who discuss politics on websites like FR are immediately suspect and should be investigated by DHS?

GFY SPLC!


3 posted on 04/11/2013 10:21:03 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: AuntB

Does this organization get government money or is it privately funded? If it DOES get government money, someone needs to shut it down...and NOW!


4 posted on 04/11/2013 10:23:10 AM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: rarestia

hurl


5 posted on 04/11/2013 10:23:42 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: Jim Robinson
Maybe Morris Dees has finally become impotent and quit screwing his son's, friend's and family's wives. And maybe he's found some modicum of honesty in his later years...NOT! He has to demonize the right to keep his sugar teat coming.
6 posted on 04/11/2013 10:23:44 AM PDT by vetvetdoug
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To: rarestia; All

The point that seems missed, is that our ‘conservative tea party’ elected legislators, like Rubio with the help of Grover Norquist is using SPLC talking points against us to pass amnesty!

[snip]At the heart of the attack is the accusation that the leading members of some groups critical of immigration policy were or still are environmentalists and liberals. This attack piggybacks on earlier work by the Southern Poverty Law Center that used some of the same information to accuse those groups of being tied to Neo-Nazi and White Supremacist groups. There’s something rather strange when “conservative sites” not only begin advocating for illegal alien amnesty, but begin repeating the claims that the Center for American Progress, Mother Jones and the Southern Poverty Law Center were making about anti-immigration groups 5-10 years ago. The same Norquist tactics being used to attack the anti-immigration movement can and will be used to attack the Counterjihadist camp.

http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Splc

also:Grover vs. ‘the Bitter Enders’(Grover trying to give Rubio political cover)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3006017/posts


7 posted on 04/11/2013 10:25:05 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Add up the IQ of that whole collection of libtards and you wouldn’t even get to the level of one Atlanta public school teacher.

FUSPLC.

FUBO.

Your sole contribution to history will be the fact that you all will the cause of CW-II..which you WILL loose.


8 posted on 04/11/2013 10:25:43 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: rarestia

Fricking NAZI scumbags. Nothing but useful idiots. If the hardline commies ever do succeed in taking over the US, these useful idiots would be among the first to the gulags.


9 posted on 04/11/2013 10:26:57 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: AuntB
These guys crack me up. If anybody (like FR) calls them on their crapola, they put them on the "hate threat list."

They remind me of Psycho (Francis) in Stripes - "You just made the list!"

10 posted on 04/11/2013 10:26:58 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: AuntB
if an organization splinters in a faction fight that shows up as growth, but if two smaller groups join forces it looks like shrinkage

Especially if they meet in cold water.

11 posted on 04/11/2013 10:28:39 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: dead

We must be over the target.


12 posted on 04/11/2013 10:29:34 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: woweeitsme; dead; Da Coyote; All

“Does this organization get government money or is it privately funded? If it DOES get government money, someone needs to shut it down...and NOW!”

Well, they are a ‘non-profit’, so I’m sure they get grants, especially from this administration. And as long as the GOP DEPENDS on them and approves of their conclusions, WHO is going to stop them???

See post 7


13 posted on 04/11/2013 10:29:45 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB
Members of militia group suing law enforcement (Hutaree)
14 posted on 04/11/2013 10:31:21 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: woweeitsme

SPLC is a privately run “nonprofit” set up some years ago by a shyster lawyer named Morris Dees. He saw how Black leaders were making money crying racism and knew he could do the same as he had a background in mass marketing. He set up SPLC and makes money by sending out mass mailings of alerts about what he says are racist or right wing dangers. Most on the list are not a threat or way old and gone. Of course every alert is a fundraising plea, most of the money raised goes to Dees and his few top employees.


15 posted on 04/11/2013 10:33:09 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: AuntB
the center is hyping a 7 percent increase in another category: what it calls "conspiracy-minded antigovernment 'Patriot' groups." The SPLC's definition of "Patriot" is pretty broad: The list ranges from the conservative websites WorldNetDaily and FreeRepublic.com

Holy crap. So now, presenting and/or discussing the news is a terrorist act?

The SPLC *IS* a terrorist organization.

16 posted on 04/11/2013 10:33:14 AM PDT by Lazamataz ("AP" clearly stands for American Pravda. Our news media has become completely and proudly Soviet.)
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To: AuntB

Re: Lately SPLC talking points are being used by REPUBLICANS against most of us to pass amnesty!

The SPLC called the Center for Immigration Studies a “Hate Group” a year or two ago.

I believe it also called “Numbers USA” a hate group.

The best way to stop that kind of political libel and slander is a serious lawsuit with serious monetary damages.

Instead, CIS and Numbers just put out feckless denials that the average voter never hears about.


17 posted on 04/11/2013 10:34:18 AM PDT by zeestephen
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To: AuntB

The ‘Southern Poverty Law Center’ is more a terrorist origination than most any of theses ‘groups’.


18 posted on 04/11/2013 10:35:42 AM PDT by Monorprise (`)
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To: AuntB

The Southern Poverty Law Center is an extremist organization. They should put themselves on the threat list. I mean, look how psychotic they make already unstable liberals act.

They are as dangerous as they come, especially that wack-job Mark Potok.


19 posted on 04/11/2013 10:37:44 AM PDT by corlorde (forWARD of the state)
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To: Jim Robinson
Actually, Jim, they are pretty smart.

They collect millions of dollars a year from little old church ladies and liberals across the country by scaring them over nonsense.

They have over $100mm in cash that the three dirtbags who run the place use to pay themselves and their expenses, while they hire idealistic young lawyers to work for them for a song to do all the "research."

It's a brilliant scam they've been milking for forty years.

I've met Morris Dees. He lives like a king and pays no taxes.

20 posted on 04/11/2013 10:37:57 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: AuntB
Eighteen years ago, the Southern Poverty Law Center wrote then-Attorney General Janet Reno to warn about extremists in the militia movement, saying that the "mixture of armed groups and those who hate" was "a recipe for disaster." Just six months later, the Oklahoma City federal building was bombed.

And every month for the following 18 years this jerk has issued the same warnings. And what's happened? NOTHING.

There were people who were right about 9/11 - made the call on radical Muslims. Would the left allow for those people to make THE SAME CALL for the next 18 years with NO ATTACKS? The hater stirs the pot paying some right winger will break. But we don't. We're just American citizen who happen to be conservative...

The closest the liberal haters have come to 'Victory' was Zimmerman - who turned out to be a Hispanic... and liberal... and related by blood to blacks.

But the MSM was primed and ready for the attack. NBC doctoring tapes, Matthews ready to call for 'right wingers' to be 're-educated'... If Zimmerman had be white white, they would have destroyed him...

21 posted on 04/11/2013 10:38:29 AM PDT by GOPJ (New AP term for Illegal Aliens IS Undocumented Democrats.... Jay Leno)
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To: Lazamataz

“Holy crap. So now, presenting and/or discussing the news is a terrorist act?

The SPLC *IS* a terrorist organization. “

Yes, presenting the truth, especially about the powers that be of BOTH parties is considered a terrorist act. And it all starts when we run to outfits like CPAC & the ACU who sanctions censorship of any criticism of its leaders Norquist and Khan who facilitate radical Islam and unfettered illegal immigration.

We have NO HOPE of stopping the left and their agents like SPLC as long as the GOP operatives and elected reps like RUBIO use them against us while WE fund them to install leftist agendas.


22 posted on 04/11/2013 10:41:00 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: wideawake

Smart has nothing whatsoever to do with being a useful idiot. Lots of otherwise smart people are (or were) useful idiots. But they have a strange way of disappearing in the end.


23 posted on 04/11/2013 10:42:22 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!n)
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To: AuntB; Jim Robinson
Good afternoon.

As long as I have been here, we have been attacked by NGOs, the media, academia and the Executive branch.

Given the above list, I feel honored to be called a FReeper. [plus, as you all know, I use my real name].

You're right Jim, the Founders would have been shooting by now.

5.56mm

24 posted on 04/11/2013 10:46:07 AM PDT by M Kehoe
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To: RicocheT; Syncro; sickoflibs; M Kehoe; All

“SPLC is a privately run “nonprofit” set up some years ago by a shyster lawyer named Morris Dees. He saw how Black leaders were making money crying racism and knew he could do the same as he had a background in mass marketing. He set up SPLC and makes money by sending out mass mailings of alerts about what he says are racist or right wing dangers. Most on the list are not a threat or way old and gone. Of course every alert is a fundraising plea, most of the money raised goes to Dees and his few top employees.”

You described perfectly how it’s being done on OUR SIDE as well. Just substitute ATR or ACU for SPLC and Grover Norquist for Morris Dees, and it is the SAME ANIMAL! Norquist & the gang of 8 call us ‘Bitter enders’ and racists and then turn around and ask for $$$ so they can destroy conservatism. IMO, it’s money laundering and an effort , which is working too well, to destroy conservatism and the tea party.

I know how difficult it is to realize we’ve been used, be we have and ARE! And it’s not by the left, it’s by our own.

[snip] “And he’s [Norquist] personally doing fine: ....revealed this week that he gets two-thirds of his funding from two big corporate billionaire-backed nonprofits: the Center to Protect Patients Rights, which donated $4,189,000 to Americans for Tax Reform in 2010, and Karl Rove’s Crossroads GPS, which gave him $4 million.” http://towncriernews.blogspot.com/search?q=Karl+Rove


25 posted on 04/11/2013 10:50:44 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Language of the Third Reich by Victor Klemperer

In the book Klemperer details how the nazis manipulated the German language as a means of manipulating German society into being more accepting of nazi ideals and goals.

Remember when the word "militia" conjured up images of honor, duty, and patriotism?
26 posted on 04/11/2013 10:51:31 AM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim one of their lead investigators ~ if you can call it that ~ was a notorious pedophile. Took forever to get them to kick that guy out ~ they know who and what they are.


27 posted on 04/11/2013 10:52:47 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: AuntB
I'm white,male,Christian,pro life,pro Second Amendment,pro Boy Scouts,anti homosexual "marriage",anti "amnesty",long time member of FR and an honorably discharged veteran of the United States Armed Forces.As such,I think I'm gonna hop into my pickup,drive down to DC and the first black guy I see I'm gonna....ask him for directions to the White House.When I arrive at the White House I'm gonna make sure I...take a lot of pictures and then have lunch.

Sorry to disappoint you,"Southern Poverty Law Center".

28 posted on 04/11/2013 10:54:12 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: wideawake
I've met Morris Dees. He lives like a king and pays no taxes.

If I ever met him the first question I'd ask him is how often he and his boyfriend get checked for rectal syphilis.

29 posted on 04/11/2013 10:58:48 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Jim Robinson

Jim Robinson, no one has tried harder, in all these years to distance FREE REPUBLIC from any one who might even appear to be racist, bigoted, white supremacist organizations than you. This is the thanks you get for it, and that saddens me, especially coming from those who we’ve worked to get elected and have given millions of $ to over these years to support the ‘conservative’ cause. I don’t know who to trust any more, do you?

see post7


30 posted on 04/11/2013 11:03:50 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: cripplecreek

He who controls the language, controls the debate.


31 posted on 04/11/2013 11:05:29 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

The SPLC is just one of the many left wing groups which orchestrates the news prior to the terrorist attacks then controls the spin of the news after the attack to piggy back on the orchestrated news before the attack.

The OKC bombing is a perfect example.


32 posted on 04/11/2013 11:07:18 AM PDT by IMR 4350
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To: RicocheT
...as he had a background in mass marketing.

A background in direct marketing. Big difference there. He has a database known derogatorily in the industry as a "suckers list," of people who are easily rattled into coughing up money whenever they don a Klan hood and yell "BOO!"

33 posted on 04/11/2013 11:12:29 AM PDT by RegulatorCountry
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To: AuntB

Agree with AuntB. I’ve been a posting member here since the Clintoon years and J Robinson has kept the focus on rational, moderate and non-bigoted discussion of politics & current events. Those who violate that format are pushed out. FR is a place for conservatives to vent or talk in a responsible way.


35 posted on 04/11/2013 11:23:53 AM PDT by RicocheT (Eat the rich only if you're certain it's your last meal)
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To: AuntB
"Rubio with the help of Grover Norquist is using SPLC talking points against us to pass amnesty!"

Rubio is a totally unproven conservative! He is only a presumed conservative by everyone who currently thinks he is a righteous conservative!! I haven't seen any evidence of his passing any litmus test for consistent conservatism!!!

By their works and associates ye shall know them because there really IS something to "guilt by association!" Ask any kid in prison who got a ride from friends that just stole a car and then got stopped by the cops about guilt by association, they'll tell you they are innocent with much rhetoric to back it up!!!

Great post AuntB!!!

36 posted on 04/11/2013 11:30:35 AM PDT by SierraWasp (Mark Twain said: "It's easier to fool someone than to convince them they've been fooled!!!)
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To: SierraWasp

“By their works and associates ye shall know them because there really IS something to “guilt by association!”

And THAT is exactly the point, Waspman. Grover Norquist (along with Rubio) is now associating with SPLC, is a good friend of CAIR and everything radical Islam. He’s a lobbyist for Microsoft and anyone on the left who pays to push a leftist - cheap labor deal and lobbied to build the mosque on ground zero.

Sooner or later, even the thickest heads must see if it walks, talks and STINKS like a duck, it IS!


37 posted on 04/11/2013 11:44:04 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

Southern Poverty Law Center revenues, 2011: just shy of 39 million samolians. Manufacturing hate is lucrative! Who’d a thunk it?


38 posted on 04/11/2013 11:44:48 AM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: AuntB
the center is hyping a 7 percent increase in another category: what it calls "conspiracy-minded antigovernment 'Patriot' groups."

A fair description of the Founding Fathers.

39 posted on 04/11/2013 11:44:51 AM PDT by matt1234
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To: tumblindice

“Southern Poverty Law Center revenues, 2011: just shy of 39 million samolians. Manufacturing hate is lucrative! Who’d a thunk it?”

Yes, yes it is. Did you notice how much of that came from tax $$$?


40 posted on 04/11/2013 11:47:47 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Jim Robinson
these useful idiots would be among the first to the gulags.

You mean AFTER they purge the dissenters.

It's tragically amusing to me that the media is in the tank for the "Appointed Won." They don't realize that once his plan is completely implemented, the press will be the first to be purged.

41 posted on 04/11/2013 11:48:04 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: matt1234

“what it calls “conspiracy-minded antigovernment ‘Patriot’ groups.........a fair description of the Founding Fathers. “

Outfits like the SPLC, Islam loving Grover Norquist despise our founding fathers. They actually believe they are smarter. And that makes them dangerous.


42 posted on 04/11/2013 11:54:43 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

In typical liberal fashion, they’re showing their true hand in all of this.

The “White Supremacist” movement in America, particularly the National Socialists, come from the far LEFT Democrats. Same with the Nazis (National SOCIALIST WORKERS Party). Yet, they are targeting white conservatives and misappropriating the name of “Nazi” to us.

Meanwhile, those of us who proudly associate as Constitutional Conservatives are seeking the ultimate inclusion in America through homogeneity with borders, language, and culture.

The Democrats and specifically the Democrat white supremacy movement is more interested in racial purity, which is actual a counter-movement to La Raza, which is the actual puppeteer behind all of this amnesty business. They are NOT interested in integration with American culture. They don’t want to learn our language, they don’t want to work with our people or within the bounds of our laws. They are, for all intents and purposes, an invading army trying to reclaim ancestral lands from their Hispanic cultural heritage.


43 posted on 04/11/2013 11:55:01 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

BTT!


44 posted on 04/11/2013 11:56:00 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: AuntB

taxpayer subsidized “grievance politics” yeah they’re 501C, like Reverend Wright. I supp-hose it helps him out to have a daughter who can handle money.
Wonder who takes care of St. Dee’s dirty laundry. Since they’re practically an arm of government now, like PBS and the ACLU—the IRS?


45 posted on 04/11/2013 12:07:35 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: All armed conservatives.)
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To: AuntB
No one on FreeRepublic is sending money to Al Qeada in Syria and Iraq.

DC is however. Millions.

46 posted on 04/11/2013 12:08:54 PM PDT by justa-hairyape
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To: AuntB

I said on a website with leftist moonbats that the SPLC has as much credibility as the KKK. They predictably went nuts.


47 posted on 04/11/2013 12:09:37 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Resist We Much)
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To: AuntB
I have just gone through everything on the Southern Poverty Law Center and there is no mention of Free Republic anywhere. I think the person who wrote the article posted here, drew the name Free Republic out of the air and said they were in the Patriot group. Again, the name Free Republic is not on the Southern Poverty Law Center website and that is a good thing.
48 posted on 04/11/2013 12:10:27 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. Going Galt is freedom.)
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To: SierraWasp; AuntB
Right about now I'd be asking if Rubio is safe to leave alone with the little kids as a baby sitter. There are a number of Senators who aren't ~ either because of their strange views about the value of life, but also their alcoholism, drug addiction, and sexual proclivities.

Again, this SPLC was known to hire as an investigator a well known pedophile ~ and they were reluctant to get rid of him. They can never be trusted so if you've got a Republican quoting SPLC, and given the homosexual infiltration of the party ranks that ended up losing us the 2006 election and with that the control of Congress, just what is this Rubio guy up to.

He'd best come up with a really good answer, and telling us Mark Foley is one of his buddies is not a good start (which I note just to get us on the straight and narrow concerning these Florida politicians ~ there's a lot to suspect down there)

49 posted on 04/11/2013 12:11:02 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: wideawake

The splc assist the real racist groups by com
ming to neighborhoods where incidents of white hate crimes happen and distribute anti-black propganda to blame on white people. This communist group is an enabler of racial violence against conserative white folks.


50 posted on 04/11/2013 12:21:01 PM PDT by No Surrender No Retreat
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