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Why Are the Feds Trying to Identify All Gun Owners in Missouri? (Just concealed carry!)
National Review Online ^ | April 11, 2013 | Andrew C. McCarthy

Posted on 04/11/2013 2:37:49 PM PDT by neverdem

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To: neverdem

Gun control only works if you are stupid enough to play by the rules of your enemy. No more communist, socialist, fascist dictatorships will be allowed to strip people of their right to defend themselves from tyrannical governments. It’s US vs. them. Which side are you on, and who do you want to win?

The US Constitution must be defended at all costs. It’s the ONLY thing that separates us from them!


51 posted on 04/11/2013 5:36:52 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: neverdem

They are definitely trying to grind us down.

It is the petty torments of the mentally disturbed. This is the pattern of the mentally ill abuser. They torment those who are under their sway, not the big abuse....yet. They run the “death by a thousand paper cuts” strategy until the bettered person reaches a certain point of saturation and boils over, then the tormentor moves in for the final crush.

That is what the communists are doing right now.

They are angling for the final crush. They think, that we believe, that they have the upper hand or that we have no way out. Yet in the final clear headed examination the tormentor has nothing.

So look for it. in the next year or two, I would say the crush will occur before the mid-term elections if the RATS are going to lose and lose big.

I know this because I have lived it with a mentally ill family member. I have seen it before.


52 posted on 04/11/2013 5:46:15 PM PDT by Ouderkirk (Obama has turned America into an aristocracy of the unaccomplished.)
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To: neverdem

It’s also time to push for repeal of the 1968 gun bill. And the 1937(?) gun bill. Hell, if you want a bazooka I’m all for you. Tank? Hell yea. In our past history, if you could afford it, then you had the same, or better weapons than the military. I’m damn tired of begging for my rights that are guaranteed right there in the Constitution, Second by God Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America!!

Say it loud and say it proud!! Shall Not Be Infringed!!


53 posted on 04/11/2013 6:23:54 PM PDT by saleman
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To: neverdem
I agree with everything you are saying. I have called, emailed, posted on facebook, but no one is LISTENING. They are just gleefully forcing more crap legislation on us. And of course sending us the bill for it. Its INSULTING!
54 posted on 04/11/2013 6:27:55 PM PDT by Casie (democrats destroy)
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To: neverdem

Missouri is the only one known about and in kinda in the news.
I suspect the communists solicited every state for that same list.
We just are not aware of it.


55 posted on 04/11/2013 6:28:33 PM PDT by lgjhn23 (It's easy to be liberal when you're dumber than a box of rocks.)
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To: Rodamala
Buy guns like criminals do. You are now a criminal.

Good idea, then you won't have to worry about the gun grabbers coming after your guns.

As we all know the grabbers aren't concerned about criminals having guns, it's the ordinary citizens they want disarmed. They won't stop until they achieve their life's goal of destroying the liberty our forefathers won for us by force of arms. A great many of those arms were owned and used in combat by the citizen-soldiers themselves, hence the 2nd Amendment's high ranking in the BORs amendments.

56 posted on 04/11/2013 6:35:08 PM PDT by epow (I'm not waiting for the undertaker, I'm looking for the Upper Taker)
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To: Biggirl

“People will simply hide their guns.”

What guns?


57 posted on 04/11/2013 6:38:24 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders.)
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To: Biggirl

“People will simply hide their guns.”

Don’t you understand? When you have to hide your weapons you have already lost! Or, you are waiting for the right time to strike. Never, ever resist in the face of overwhelming odds. But, be assured, when you are faced with burying your weapons or resisting, then if you hide them, then you have already capitulated. You can always get more weapons. You can’t get your dignity back.

I know. Rather than give up my comfortable life (really, not that comfortable) I gave up my weapon. Through the courts, I got my weapon back. No one was hurt. I was “this close” to causing a shit load of pain to me and another several families, for the lose of their fathers. I wouldn’t have been my fault. I would have been just defending my rights. But, it is a terrible decision to have to make. Don’t know if I made the right one. As of this time, I think I did. But times change.

When the final straw-that-broke-the-camels-back comes then maybe we will all realize it and band together. I think not. It’ll be a gradual decline, as you can see now, before the SHTF. And, maybe you? Me? Someone else here, will be the Martyr.

Or, maybe the Government will just go back to obeying the Constitutional limits that are imposed on them.....NAWWWW!


58 posted on 04/11/2013 6:46:29 PM PDT by saleman
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To: neverdem

We’ve always had, and still do have, constitutional carry.


59 posted on 04/11/2013 6:53:40 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the post/ping, neverdem. BTTT!


60 posted on 04/11/2013 6:54:35 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: saleman

Oh, BTW. Next time ya’ll come for me, please don’t mill around aimlessly under a streetlight. It makes the decision that much more difficult. Overwhelming odds are so much better. But, you better give me a way out. Or, I may not give you a way out next time.

BTW, by “overwhelming odds” I don’t mean numbers. I mean tactics. Dumbasses.


61 posted on 04/11/2013 6:55:47 PM PDT by saleman
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Denver and Kansas City? Doubt it.


62 posted on 04/11/2013 6:56:42 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: exnavy

“We’ve always had, and still do have, constitutional carry”

OK. I’ll play. How do you figure that? And who do you consider “We”


63 posted on 04/11/2013 7:01:49 PM PDT by saleman
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To: Biggirl
I can't understand why this scrawny little sob of a pretending president can push his scrawny little ass around and start trampling on people's rights?

This country is bigger than this SOB!!!

64 posted on 04/11/2013 7:06:22 PM PDT by Northern Yankee (Where Liberty dwells, there is my Country. - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: saleman

We the people, read the second amendment again.


65 posted on 04/11/2013 7:06:48 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: exnavy
Ok. I read it. And we do have a Constitutional right to carry. Anything and everything we want. Unfortunately, there are unconstitutional laws preventing us from doing so. And, as far into the future as I can see, that's not gonna change.

So, we'll keep on begging for crumbs from our betters and when finally they ban all weapons, except for those that are protecting them, then we will all agree that we are better off, and safer for it.

66 posted on 04/11/2013 7:11:47 PM PDT by saleman
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To: dljordan

Just wave money from the DHS in front of them and you win their undying love and devotion.


67 posted on 04/11/2013 7:13:46 PM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: neverdem

Our Constitution GUARANTEED our right to bare arms.

It is our Legislators that have become our Aristocracy and now THEY make the rules and a fair portion of our “Dumbded Down” Citizenry have no clue one way or the other.

One way to guarantee our rights is for everyone to carry their weapons open for all to see and make local / national law enforcement try and take that right away.

If enough people stood their ground this problem would not exist. Conceal Carry was one way of getting around the problem for the government and covering up the right to open carry.


68 posted on 04/11/2013 7:28:20 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: saleman

Glad to see you finally got around to reading the Constitution.

We do not have the right to carry RPGs, Mortars/Launchers, bazookas etc as they do not qualify as personal weapons for self defense.

We can carry knives openly and I know of no such law restricting them yet 6 times as many people are killed with knives than all guns (combined with), poison, cars, hatchets, hammers and so on.

But nobody EVER mentions knives in laws or on the news.

Get shot with a gun and you are on every TV Station there is. Get stabbed with a knife and you may get a small notice in your local newspaper.


69 posted on 04/11/2013 7:37:56 PM PDT by jongaltsr
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To: Rushmore Rocks

Some old people are really amazing! I’ve heard of some people in their 80, older veterans specifically, catching robbers and thugs when they try to rob them or break into their houses!

Some older animals are amazing too! Just when you think they can’t do some things anymore, because of issues with senses, they surprise you! We had an elderly cat several years ago who we suspected was losing hearing, sight, etc.. We didn’t think she could do much in hunting or catching mice anymore. Well guess what? She bagged 4 mice the year or two before she died at about 17 years old!

Of course, she wasn’t able to do what she did as a much younger cat, but not bad for her advanced age; I was always bragging about her abilities at her age!


70 posted on 04/11/2013 7:50:03 PM PDT by dsutah
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To: saleman
Not I, the state i live in is working up legislation to stop the feds from manipulating us.

Michigan is one of two states protecting firearms ownership, and from the 4th amendment crunch Obayma passed in 2012 through the NDAA.

It is time for We the people to grow a pair and take our nation back.

Michigan is also an open carry state. I'ld personally rather carry a long gun openly than a handgun hidden.

71 posted on 04/11/2013 7:53:23 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: neverdem
well neverdem, we mightve been able to muster and do something with the ballot/soap boxes a couple decades ago, but the progcomms have stitched together a pretty bullet-proof system of checks and balances...

i feel like the kid thats bullyed on the playground by a lil loudmouthed punk, and i just know that he'll cry when i break his nose...

but he just keep yappin and pushin...

72 posted on 04/11/2013 8:20:14 PM PDT by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: dljordan

“All they have to do is ask and the Missouri bureaucrats roll over and wag their tails? Where’s the authority for this?”
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I wonder if Senator Claire McCaskill has her dirty, pudgy finger in this latest bit of corruption and illegality?

Oh how I wish my favored (and Sarah Palin’s endorsed) primary candidate (Sarah Steelman) in last year’s Missouri US Senate race had prevailed in the Republican primary. Things would be very different today if she had.


73 posted on 04/11/2013 8:55:54 PM PDT by House Atreides
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To: neverdem

Jeepers. Thanks for the ping!


74 posted on 04/11/2013 9:04:02 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: neverdem
Agree with you. But I don't know what else to do to have an impact other than keep up my membership and participation in my local rifle/pistol club.
75 posted on 04/11/2013 9:12:17 PM PDT by imardmd1
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To: darrellmaurina
I was kidding, darrell.

In principle, I agree with all your statements about the Second Amendment.

On the other hand, it is painfully ironic that the people who have the worst crime rate vote overwhelmingly for candidates who want to disarm law abiding citizens.

76 posted on 04/11/2013 9:19:25 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: imardmd1
But I don't know what else to do to have an impact other than keep up my membership and participation in my local rifle/pistol club.

Get involved with the local GOP or Tea Party folks. Try to persuade family, neighbors and coworkers on the issues like the privacy of concealed carry in Missouri and here. The rats are wrecking the culture. They will wreck the middle class. I'm hard pressed to think of unquestionably good ideas from the government since the G.I. Bill, the Civil Rights Act and parts of the Voting Rights Act.

77 posted on 04/11/2013 10:09:17 PM PDT by neverdem ( Xin loi min oi)
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To: Biggirl

Not if the government gets to them first.


78 posted on 04/11/2013 11:25:27 PM PDT by wastedyears (I'm a gamer not because I choose to have no life, but because I choose to have many.)
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To: exnavy
Michigan is one of two states protecting firearms ownership, and from the 4th amendment crunch ...

Don't know exacly to what your refer but the Texas House of Representative just sent HB1076 to the floor for a vote. This bill nullifies any and all new Federal gun laws and renders them unenforceable in the State of Texas.

79 posted on 04/11/2013 11:35:03 PM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew Obfuscation)
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To: TexasRedeye
I'm talking about Obeema signing the 2012 NDAA into law which gives the feds the right to walk into your home , take you or anyone and detain you indefinitely without due process.
80 posted on 04/12/2013 12:44:19 AM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: neverdem
Missouri Fusion Center was disbanded 2005 by the republican state legislature but has resurrected as a division in the state patrol. It is named the Missouri information analysis center - (http://www.infowars.com/missouri-state-police-orders-halt-to-miac-report-distribution/)

The department of homeland security has created fusion centers in every state. In Nebraska and Missouri the fusion centers are renamed something else and are part of the state police.

Per ACLU: Fusion centers were designed to organize localized domestic intelligence gathering into an integrated system that can distribute data both horizontally across a network of fusion centers and vertically, down to local law enforcement and up to the federal intelligence community. These centers can employ officials from federal, state well as other state and local government entities, the federal intelligence community, the military and even private companies, to spy on Americans in virtually complete secrecy.

Missourians as well as every other american citizen are sharing their birth certificates, drivers license, concealed carry and health and criminal records as well as state and local tax information and anything else that can be recorded with the DHS.

The renamed Missouri Fusion Center (http://www.miacx.org/) was recently in the news for branding as terrorists Ron Paul supporters and more. http://www.nofake.info/2013/01/secret-miac-state-police-report.html

Missouri has a strong republican legislature and is fighting this power grab more openly than any other state. Check out your own fusion/ information analysis centers and see what they are up to.

This is the biggest power grab in recent history. It is a part of the 'total war' strategy used previously in 1861 in Missouri when the feds took Jefferson Baracks Armory near St Louis with German Immigrant Troops led by General Lyons. Next the feds took the private banks by force, fired the owners, installed new management and foreclosed on all outstanding debts for those supporting the south. Most of the early battles and skirmishes in missouri were about the feds taking city banks and eliminating financial support for the opposition.

All property/ plantation owners along the Missouri River in 'little dixie' (8 counties of former Virginia and Kentucky planters) were relieved of their ownership by way of foreclosure and went bankrupt. An entire class of citizenry vanished in a few years. This is detailed in this book which was written after a doctoral thesis. Financial Fraud and Guerrilla Violence in Missouri's Civil War, 1861-1865 (Yale Series in Economic and Financial History) by Mark Geiger

The guerilla violence in Missouri is directly attributed to the dislocation of young men whose families lost everything to the union strategy of total economic war against the citizenry who were not in compliance. Bloody Bill Anderson, Quantrill and the James gang were fueled by economic dislocation of an entire generation of youth. The 1999 movie Ride with the Devil was filmed locally and captures the moment.

'Total War' is here today- if you have a mortgage it can be called by the bank if they want. The feds and the ambitious socialist/moslem axis want to confiscate property and relieve americans of their will to live.

81 posted on 04/12/2013 2:01:27 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: exnavy

The Missouri Information Analysis center in the missouri hiway patrol has more information than just gun ownership. Virtually every electronic document has been transferred to DHS. Check out the fusion or information analysis center in your own state. In MO and NE the centers are in the state patrol division. Gov nixon needs to be impeached. Americans have no right to privacy and DHS is taking everything they can grab and learn about each man, woman and child alive. It all goes into that great database housed in UTAH or Nevada.


82 posted on 04/12/2013 2:04:39 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: familyop

This is the same group who declared libertarians to be terrorists: http://www.nofake.info/2013/01/secret-miac-state-police-report.html


83 posted on 04/12/2013 2:05:30 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: dljordan

MIACX.ORG is the resurrected fusion center for MO. It is now in the state patrol. This means every officer can check his hit list and ping every car and pull them over for little or no infraction. It just takes 30 seconds for the new laser gun/ computers to read a plate. The DHS fusion centers are collecting every bit of information available to profile every citizen. We all have files and our life history is stored in a database in Utah. This is the biggest power grab in a long time in the US.


84 posted on 04/12/2013 2:08:54 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: dljordan

MIACX.ORG is the resurrected fusion center for MO. It is now in the state patrol. This means every officer can check his hit list and ping every car and pull them over for little or no infraction. It just takes 30 seconds for the new laser gun/ computers to read a plate. The DHS fusion centers are collecting every bit of information available to profile every citizen. We all have files and our life history is stored in a database in Utah. This is the biggest power grab in a long time in the US.


85 posted on 04/12/2013 2:12:20 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: neverdem

I guess that’s why Missouri is called the “Show Me State”. Someone says, “Show me this confidential and private stuff”, and they comply.


86 posted on 04/12/2013 3:09:15 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: trebb

The MIACX.org fusion center is in the missouri state police division. It was called the missouri fusion center. The Dept of homeland security has a fusion center in every state. In NE the fusion center is resurrected as an information analysis center in the state police also. The task of the fusion centers is to gather intelligence and send it in to create a profile on everyone. Missouri is loud about stopping it but has a dem governor nixon lying about what happened as being a one off event. Each state has this. Yours is just unseen by those who are too tired or blind to look.


87 posted on 04/12/2013 5:58:16 AM PDT by x_plus_one (The future is ours, luke 22:36)
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To: neverdem

That’s the way I think it should be, no permit required for open or concealed carry.


88 posted on 04/12/2013 7:56:08 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: neverdem

Thanks for the ping! A line is being drawn and folks are taking sides. All well planned, IMO.


89 posted on 04/12/2013 7:48:15 PM PDT by Errant
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To: neverdem

Bump!


90 posted on 04/12/2013 11:44:26 PM PDT by Gene Eric (The Palin Doctrine.)
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To: neverdem

If you are not on offense, you are at best, only clinging to the status quo waiting for the next statist ratchet down the road to hell.


91 posted on 04/13/2013 12:47:03 AM PDT by Theophilus (Not merely prolife, but prolific)
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To: Yosemitest
The House of Representatives should gut this bill and change it so that it applies only the VOTER ID requirements, and NOT to gun control.

Now you're talkin' - that's culture-jammin' gold!

92 posted on 04/14/2013 9:32:32 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: jongaltsr
Glad to see you finally got around to reading the Constitution.

We do not have the right to carry RPGs, Mortars/Launchers, bazookas etc as they do not qualify as personal weapons for self defense.

Sorry sonny, arms is arms. There's no "personal self defense only" restriction. The only restriction is on the government, as a matter of fact, in the form of

"The right of the people, to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed."

Don't be an ninny and followup by insisting rights come from the Constitution.

93 posted on 04/14/2013 9:37:36 AM PDT by no-s (when democracy is displaced by tyranny, the armed citizen still gets to vote)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Interesting post. It has been said that the life span of a republic is about 225 years ...


94 posted on 05/09/2013 2:48:05 PM PDT by ArmyTeach ( Videteco eos prius (See 'em first) Sculpin 191)
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To: ArmyTeach

Thank you.


95 posted on 05/09/2013 3:17:56 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (My faith and politics cannot be separated)
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