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This is what happens with incremental infringements over time. If we had not tolerated the incremental infringements in New York City, we would not be having the debate over "universal background checks" today.

Without New York City solidly in the anti-freedom camp (which would not have happened without all the incremental infringements) there would not be any serious attacks on the Second Amendment.

1 posted on 04/13/2013 7:40:45 AM PDT by marktwain
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Don't worry, Chuck Schumer has a plan to effectively eliminate gun crime.

Your approved firearm will contain an approved ITUD (individual trigger unlocking device) matched to your chips.

Brilliant, eh? And we'll still be able to have our RKBA, so the GOPe is on board.


2 posted on 04/13/2013 7:48:30 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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I remember the unintended consequences of the 1968 Gun Control Law.

Low priced military surplus rifles for hunting dried up.
No purchases across state lines.
Antique dealer raided because he had imported “military equipment” (flintlock flints).
Hardware stores could no longer break a box of bullets and sell you three rounds to go hunting.
The shooting range had to account for every spent shell. No more free brass for me.
Paperwork.
More paperwork.
Anyone who had a felony, no matter how minor or how old were now forbidden to own firearms.
Could not give kin who lived across state lines a firearm.

And this is just the short list.


3 posted on 04/13/2013 7:53:29 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (The murals in OKC are destroyed. The director and actors wept.)
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There are questions which tossed into the argument...will suddenly make people stop and ponder.

How many Americans were actually shot and killed in 2011 and 2012, by assault rifles? Now, compare that against just plain pistols....a quarter of one percent of all the shootings by plain rifles and only a quarter of those being assault rifle?

How many shootings occur in urban areas? This always confuses folks because there just aren’t that many shootings ever rural regions of the US, unless folks are shooting robbers in the house. Does that indicate more of an urban problem? (folks don’t want to answer that one)

How many folks in 2011 were killed by blunt object (baseball bat, hammer, tire-iron, or lumber)? Between 600 and 700? That’s ten times the number killed in 2012 by mass shootings (note, I didn’t even say assault rifle). Mass shootings can easily be accomplished with a pistol, or even a shotgun.

How many of the mass shooters from the last three years were doped up, or seeing a mental health doctor? Neither the FBI or cops will ever want to categorize this group. But we are seeing enough evidence to note that these folks aren’t acting normal, and should have been locked up long ago.


4 posted on 04/13/2013 7:54:45 AM PDT by pepsionice
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Our side need to maintain its focus and determination.

What is the problem is, we face a smallish group of dedicated anti-gun liberals who every moment, are trying to get rid of a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT. And a much larger group of anti-gun liberal who fight for the smaller group.

A lot on our side do not see those people most of the time, so we forget about them. Assuming if they’ve quieted down, they’ve gone away. And we remain safe and protected.

That is now how it works. We have had gun control for decades. But always, there has been MORE gun control.

Always more. And more. And more.

That smaller group of dedicated leftists, inspiring the larger group keep eroding our rights. Always more they chip away.

We need to draw a solid line in the sand now.

NO MORE GUN CONTROL. None.

We have enough laws. In fact we have enough laws of every kind.

Enough. Stop it.


5 posted on 04/13/2013 7:56:47 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network
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frank bruni is a world class enema nozzle...
6 posted on 04/13/2013 7:59:38 AM PDT by Chode (Stand UP and Be Counted, or line up and be numbered - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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My interpretation of the 2nd Amendment is that anyone can own any kind firearm and any number of firearms. From BB Gun to full auto should be legal. It’s not the tool that should be banned, restricted or otherwise controlled. It’s the improper use of that firearm that should be the focus. If I were lucky enough to own a rack of short barreled, sound suppressed, full auto MP-5s but used them responsibly why should I be made a criminal for merely possessing them? It’s the act of shooting people, property and the like that is illegal.

After lots of thought, I have come to the conclusion that even felons that have served their time should not be restricted either. Even though they have committed crimes, they may also have families that need protection form other bad guys. The words are “...shall not be infringed.” It does not say, “...shall not be infringed except for....”

For those that are a danger to society, why are they still walking free? Take care of that, and you take care of a lot of thing.


7 posted on 04/13/2013 7:59:51 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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:: In the Borough of Manhattan alone, there were five gun stores: Stoeger’s, Continental Arms, Abercrombie & Fitch, Harry L. Moss and Sons, and John Jovino Gun Shop. ::

A&F was a gun shop?

Hoodathunkit?


8 posted on 04/13/2013 7:59:52 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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Preaching to the choir, I know, but

anyone who considers questioning or debating ANY type of "gun" control >should and must< be identified as an enemy of the US Constitution and (I ask good Americans to think about this) an enemy of God.

We (conservatives) must be forceful on both points.

9 posted on 04/13/2013 8:05:02 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (*Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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More guns = less crime.





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10 posted on 04/13/2013 8:27:32 AM PDT by Lady Jag (If you can't make them see the light, let them feel the heat. - Reagan)
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This guy gets some of the picture but not all of it. The latest push for "universal background checks" is the nail in the coffin of the 2nd amendment and freedom.

I love the "who could be against expanded background checks" folks who are aiding and abetting the latest round of gun control legislation. The problem is that the government has inserted itself into the role of final arbiter who has a "right" to own a firearm. You're either on the narrowing "good guy" list or you're not.

It started with the who-could-object-to-it felons and loonies list and expanded to include wife beaters and people with long-ago misdemeanors for fistfights. More fun; once you're on the mystery "bad guy" list, you have no right to keep the guns you've got and a SWAT team can show up and take everything you've got and maybe shoot you or your dog in the process.

Can you, as a citizen of the country see your own status in the great government computer? Short answer, no. They say you're on the bad list and you don't have any way of knowing ahead of time and no chance to repair or expunge the record. Now all they have to do is make too many traffic tickets, or unreported income for taxes, or your neighbor doesn't like you - and stand by for the arrival of the MRAPs. It's all for our own good, of course.

22 posted on 04/13/2013 9:40:12 AM PDT by Chainmail (A simple rule of life: if you can be blamed, you're responsible.)
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