Skip to comments.National Guard forced to stand down by law enforcement in Boston
Posted on 04/22/2013 8:42:40 AM PDT by patriotgal1787
The commander of the Rhode Island Army National Guard 13th Civil Support Team (CST) claims that her two WMD detection experts assigned duty at the Boston Marathon along with WMD troops from the Massachusetts Army National Guard 1st CST were several blocks from the finish line at the time of the twin terror bombings, but when those units immediately tried to move into position to respond, troops from both states were forced to stay back after law enforcement denied them access to the scene at the finish line.
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Lawsuits waiting to happen......
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was a Union thing, or just the city hierarchy itching to strut their stuff.
It was also a posse commitatus thing (crime scene), but the BPD probably wasn’t thinking along those lines.
I have never seen such media and biggov hysteria as this 2013 Boston event...
Does posse commitatus apply to National Guard? Or just US Military?
Since the National Guard of each state is commanded by the governor of said state right?
Sequestration! 0bama’s 45% cut to bomb detection funding.. He’s just ‘making the GOP pay’ for being so frugal!
I think National Guard can interact with citizens, but they have to be armed and briefed in a simular manner to local law enforcement.
Ie. they cannot use howitzers and tanks to control riots etc....
Good. The National Guard has no business doing the work of police officers unless they are formally activated by the Governor of a State.
Yeah I knew it was a little different but wasn’t sure specifically how.
NG is treated like reservists (or Landwehr)
It needs to be changed back to 100 state command.
My money's on the Union thing.
During the chaos on the Friday Live Thread, I was following BPD scanner traffic. Chatter on the net began talking about (and I'm quoting from memory) any officer having been on duty more than 18 hours needed to report to the command tent for debrief. Union rules for overtime.
During an all-hands this-is-not-a-drill event, they were more concerned about union compliance.
There was a lot of confusion, they didn't seem to know who was who, if they should illuminate the site or not, all kinds of cross talk and open mikes. I'm surprised they didn't accidentally shoot each other.
Posse Commitatus only applies to federal troops.
union thugs or not.
no place for a military group in a conflict on home soil unless we are in a full blown attack.
let the police then FBI handle it first.....
They are still nawing on the bone in trying to turn this into some crazed Christian right winger Tea party kind of thingy.
If someone came out with an authentic video showing Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mullah Omar planting a bomb in the West, Texas fertilizer plant it still wouldn't get half the over the top adulation that Boston is getting.
“100 state command”
That’s 43 more than 57.
I totally agree. They had 30,000 cops on it.
Might have to look again at the theory that the whole event was a staged false flag, the guard was not in on it.
Don’t you get the feeling that the public had been fed a whopping pile of ^&*(#@ (lies)?
Am I the only one?
That’s what I find abhorring about the House-to-house search of Waterton/Watertown (whatever). They had the local PDs REMFing crowd and lookyloo control when they should have been upfront advising these rights-taking Rambo SWAT Nazis that the house they were invading belonged to a law-abiding citizen.
Additionally, they would have provided common sense in that if your Gestapo Team’s supposed purpose it to save the inhabitants from a hostage situation, it is a real CLUE t hat after the first two or three come out (away from the supposed hostage taker) they probably would have told someone. Instead, shuffled on down the street being ‘greeted’ each step of the way by another jackboot idiot.
Instead the video I saw was of a half dozen SWAT pukes storming a house, pulling the inhabitants out one-by-one, hands in the air, yelling at them (screaming - HANDS UP!) off on down the street. Eight or nine people!....a local LEO could have told them.
These RAMBOs were doing rote execution of the ridiculous training exercises that stress MAX HOSTILE ENCOUNTERS.
I saw that film and I was filled with rage at what my country has become.
I have never seen so many lies, BS, misinformation, hysteria, over an event caused by two idiots with Walmart pressure cookers.
Can anyone imagine what just 20 unsophisticated people could do with a half baked plan, in several major cities in the U.S.?
Based on what happened in Boston, they could literally shut down this entire country...
Me too but it’s becoming a menagerie of offical vs. tin-hat. The truth is in the middle somewhere I think but will we ever know it?
My bets on the Union angle also. Wouldn’t want to deal with a grecience.
Check this out, if you can stomach it. The whole thing an act???
Multiple people in this thread commenting when they obviously have not read the linked article. This group is part of the state’s DHS plan and was on standby for just such an event in order to evaluate any explosion for other threats, i.e. “dirty bomb”, etc. By not allowing them to do that job, there was potential for mass exposure to other harmful agents beyond the bomb itself. The BPD limited its response to the immediately obvious without considering other threats. This was a classic C3I (Command, Control, Communications, & Intelligence) failure where the right hand did not know what the left hand should be doing.
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Thoughts the Next Morning
More troofer BS.
Please don’t go there.
Someone probably put that together as a form of disinformation as if the American people weren’t already confused enough.
Things are bad enough now that I can’t blame people for questioning things-but I believe in my heart this is sick, sick, disinformation.
Several thoughts jump out:
1. Boston PD had enough LEO staff on site with existing personnel
2. Limited area, didn’t wish to add to the confusion at the time.
3. It was a crime scene and once injured were cleared had to be treated as such...NG aren’t trained to protect crime scenes....
I’m sure the offer was appreciated, just not necessary.
Yep— Good move, keep out the very people that have first hand experience with IED’s
Depends on whether they were on state guard status, Title 32 training status or Title 10 active duty. If state, governor is commander and can order them in. If federal, probably posse comitatus issue. My guess is they were there in their state guard status.
The National Guard would have just gotten in the way, and destroyed evidence.
They do not have expertise in criminal investigations.
If they had been needed I am sure they would have been asked for.
Bad enough that Police Officers invaded the homes of Boston residents without National Guard going out and doing it.
I don’t know. Maybe the local law enforcement didn’t want a bunch of ineffective government agents trampling all over the crime scene. Especially part time military personell.
House to House searches in MA. What can we do when the entire block is filled with jackboots?
Wouldnt want to deal with a grecience....I had a grecience once. Took days to wash it off.
I still think it is because from the very start, it is determined a criminal act, and going to be proceeded as handled by justice department.
In the confusion soon after the bombings, I assumed help from any source would be welcomed.
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A Bowel Burger Au Jus?
How is the activation of state National Guard troops a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?
Stupid turf war with the cops.