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National Guard forced to stand down by law enforcement in Boston
The Washington Times Communities ^ | Sunday, April 21, 2013 | Alan Jones

Posted on 04/22/2013 8:42:40 AM PDT by patriotgal1787

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1 posted on 04/22/2013 8:42:40 AM PDT by patriotgal1787
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To: patriotgal1787

Lawsuits waiting to happen......


2 posted on 04/22/2013 8:45:09 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: patriotgal1787

Wouldn’t surprise me if it was a Union thing, or just the city hierarchy itching to strut their stuff.


3 posted on 04/22/2013 8:45:49 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: patriotgal1787
News is getting stranger by the day hour.....
4 posted on 04/22/2013 8:46:03 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Gaffer

It was also a posse commitatus thing (crime scene), but the BPD probably wasn’t thinking along those lines.


5 posted on 04/22/2013 8:47:06 AM PDT by Pecos (If more sane people carried guns, fewer crazies would get off a second shot.)
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To: patriotgal1787

I have never seen such media and biggov hysteria as this 2013 Boston event...


6 posted on 04/22/2013 8:49:54 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Pecos

Does posse commitatus apply to National Guard? Or just US Military?

Since the National Guard of each state is commanded by the governor of said state right?


7 posted on 04/22/2013 8:51:22 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: patriotgal1787

Sequestration! 0bama’s 45% cut to bomb detection funding.. He’s just ‘making the GOP pay’ for being so frugal!


8 posted on 04/22/2013 8:52:34 AM PDT by Obama_Is_Sabotaging_America (PRISON AT BENGHAZI?????)
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To: ConservativeMan55

I think National Guard can interact with citizens, but they have to be armed and briefed in a simular manner to local law enforcement.

Ie. they cannot use howitzers and tanks to control riots etc....


9 posted on 04/22/2013 8:52:47 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: patriotgal1787

Good. The National Guard has no business doing the work of police officers unless they are formally activated by the Governor of a State.


10 posted on 04/22/2013 8:53:58 AM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: GraceG

Yeah I knew it was a little different but wasn’t sure specifically how.


11 posted on 04/22/2013 8:54:02 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: ConservativeMan55

NG is treated like reservists (or Landwehr)

It needs to be changed back to 100 state command.


12 posted on 04/22/2013 8:55:40 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both)
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To: patriotgal1787; Gaffer
Wouldn’t surprise me if it was a Union thing, or just the city hierarchy itching to strut their stuff.

My money's on the Union thing.

During the chaos on the Friday Live Thread, I was following BPD scanner traffic. Chatter on the net began talking about (and I'm quoting from memory) any officer having been on duty more than 18 hours needed to report to the command tent for debrief. Union rules for overtime.

During an all-hands this-is-not-a-drill event, they were more concerned about union compliance.

13 posted on 04/22/2013 8:55:55 AM PDT by Old Sarge (My "KMA List" is growing daily...)
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To: patriotgal1787
I was listening to a live internet feed of law enforcement communications when they found the second suspect in the boat and it was like a keystone cops act.

There was a lot of confusion, they didn't seem to know who was who, if they should illuminate the site or not, all kinds of cross talk and open mikes. I'm surprised they didn't accidentally shoot each other.

14 posted on 04/22/2013 8:56:17 AM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: Pecos

Posse Commitatus only applies to federal troops.


15 posted on 04/22/2013 8:56:56 AM PDT by bolobaby
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To: patriotgal1787; Gaffer

union thugs or not.

no place for a military group in a conflict on home soil unless we are in a full blown attack.

let the police then FBI handle it first.....


16 posted on 04/22/2013 8:57:54 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: dragnet2

They are still nawing on the bone in trying to turn this into some crazed Christian right winger Tea party kind of thingy.


17 posted on 04/22/2013 8:58:14 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: dragnet2
I have never seen such media and biggov hysteria as this 2013 Boston event...

If someone came out with an authentic video showing Ayman al-Zawahiri and Mullah Omar planting a bomb in the West, Texas fertilizer plant it still wouldn't get half the over the top adulation that Boston is getting.

18 posted on 04/22/2013 8:58:25 AM PDT by Pan_Yan (I believe in God. All else is dubious.)
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To: BenLurkin

“100 state command”

That’s 43 more than 57.

(-:


19 posted on 04/22/2013 8:59:11 AM PDT by MeganC (You can take my gun when you can grab it with your cold, dead fingers.)
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To: Lurker

I totally agree. They had 30,000 cops on it.


20 posted on 04/22/2013 9:00:08 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Might have to look again at the theory that the whole event was a staged false flag, the guard was not in on it.


21 posted on 04/22/2013 9:02:13 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If guns kill people, how come no one dies at gun shows?)
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To: Rennes Templar

Don’t you get the feeling that the public had been fed a whopping pile of ^&*(#@ (lies)?

Am I the only one?


22 posted on 04/22/2013 9:04:26 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: Vaquero

That’s what I find abhorring about the House-to-house search of Waterton/Watertown (whatever). They had the local PDs REMFing crowd and lookyloo control when they should have been upfront advising these rights-taking Rambo SWAT Nazis that the house they were invading belonged to a law-abiding citizen.

Additionally, they would have provided common sense in that if your Gestapo Team’s supposed purpose it to save the inhabitants from a hostage situation, it is a real CLUE t hat after the first two or three come out (away from the supposed hostage taker) they probably would have told someone. Instead, shuffled on down the street being ‘greeted’ each step of the way by another jackboot idiot.

Instead the video I saw was of a half dozen SWAT pukes storming a house, pulling the inhabitants out one-by-one, hands in the air, yelling at them (screaming - HANDS UP!) off on down the street. Eight or nine people!....a local LEO could have told them.

These RAMBOs were doing rote execution of the ridiculous training exercises that stress MAX HOSTILE ENCOUNTERS.

I saw that film and I was filled with rage at what my country has become.


23 posted on 04/22/2013 9:05:39 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: American Constitutionalist

I have never seen so many lies, BS, misinformation, hysteria, over an event caused by two idiots with Walmart pressure cookers.

Can anyone imagine what just 20 unsophisticated people could do with a half baked plan, in several major cities in the U.S.?

Based on what happened in Boston, they could literally shut down this entire country...


24 posted on 04/22/2013 9:07:23 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Sir Napsalot
Don’t you get the feeling that the public had been fed a whopping pile of ^&*(#@ (lies)?

Almost daily

25 posted on 04/22/2013 9:08:02 AM PDT by Vaquero (Don't pick a fight with an old guy. If he is too old to fight,, he'll just kill you.)
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To: Sir Napsalot

Me too but it’s becoming a menagerie of offical vs. tin-hat. The truth is in the middle somewhere I think but will we ever know it?


26 posted on 04/22/2013 9:09:48 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If guns kill people, how come no one dies at gun shows?)
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To: Old Sarge
Nothing drives poor decision making more than fatigue. A person working 18 hours in a high stress environment is more of a hazard than an asset.
27 posted on 04/22/2013 9:10:58 AM PDT by stormer
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To: Gaffer

My bets on the Union angle also. Wouldn’t want to deal with a grecience.


28 posted on 04/22/2013 9:12:00 AM PDT by matt04
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To: BenLurkin

Agreed!


29 posted on 04/22/2013 9:12:43 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55
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To: Sir Napsalot

Check this out, if you can stomach it. The whole thing an act???

http://anywho.simplesite.com/201858937


30 posted on 04/22/2013 9:14:32 AM PDT by Rennes Templar (If guns kill people, how come no one dies at gun shows?)
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Bookmark


31 posted on 04/22/2013 9:17:29 AM PDT by jersey117
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To: patriotgal1787

Multiple people in this thread commenting when they obviously have not read the linked article. This group is part of the state’s DHS plan and was on standby for just such an event in order to evaluate any explosion for other threats, i.e. “dirty bomb”, etc. By not allowing them to do that job, there was potential for mass exposure to other harmful agents beyond the bomb itself. The BPD limited its response to the immediately obvious without considering other threats. This was a classic C3I (Command, Control, Communications, & Intelligence) failure where the right hand did not know what the left hand should be doing.


32 posted on 04/22/2013 9:17:30 AM PDT by T-Bird45 (It feels like the seventies, and it shouldn't.)
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To: Gaffer

Don’t miss Denninger’s rant.

Thoughts the Next Morning
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3010652/posts


33 posted on 04/22/2013 9:18:21 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Sir Napsalot
It's called a “ Crap Sandwich “
34 posted on 04/22/2013 9:18:57 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Rennes Templar

More troofer BS.

Please don’t go there.

Someone probably put that together as a form of disinformation as if the American people weren’t already confused enough.

Things are bad enough now that I can’t blame people for questioning things-but I believe in my heart this is sick, sick, disinformation.


35 posted on 04/22/2013 9:19:12 AM PDT by Califreak (11/6/12 The Day America Divided By Zero)
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To: patriotgal1787

Several thoughts jump out:
1. Boston PD had enough LEO staff on site with existing personnel
2. Limited area, didn’t wish to add to the confusion at the time.
3. It was a crime scene and once injured were cleared had to be treated as such...NG aren’t trained to protect crime scenes....

I’m sure the offer was appreciated, just not necessary.


36 posted on 04/22/2013 9:19:53 AM PDT by nevergore
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LOL, I just heard Rush playing one of the sound bites .... ISLAMIC TERRORISTS and one woman jurnaLIEst said after some other person said " ISLAMIC TERRORIST " she said that we need to separate those who words here to get the meaning bla bla bla, bla bla bla....
As in the one movie " YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH " lady jurnaLIEst.
37 posted on 04/22/2013 9:22:31 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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Almost daily ?

( cough cough )
38 posted on 04/22/2013 9:23:59 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: patriotgal1787

Yep— Good move, keep out the very people that have first hand experience with IED’s


39 posted on 04/22/2013 9:26:09 AM PDT by thegrump
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To: Sir Napsalot
" Don’t you get the feeling that the public had been fed a whopping pile of ^&*(#@ (lies)? "

Is Bullcrapaitus covered under Obama care ?
40 posted on 04/22/2013 9:26:17 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: ConservativeMan55

Depends on whether they were on state guard status, Title 32 training status or Title 10 active duty. If state, governor is commander and can order them in. If federal, probably posse comitatus issue. My guess is they were there in their state guard status.


41 posted on 04/22/2013 9:28:30 AM PDT by jagusafr (the American Trinity (Liberty, In G0D We Trust, E Pluribus Unum))
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To: Lurker

The National Guard would have just gotten in the way, and destroyed evidence.

They do not have expertise in criminal investigations.

If they had been needed I am sure they would have been asked for.

Bad enough that Police Officers invaded the homes of Boston residents without National Guard going out and doing it.


42 posted on 04/22/2013 9:28:52 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: American Constitutionalist
Sorry, typos:

I meant " those two words here to get the meaning bla bla bla, bla bla bla.... "
43 posted on 04/22/2013 9:29:02 AM PDT by American Constitutionalist
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To: Gaffer

I don’t know. Maybe the local law enforcement didn’t want a bunch of ineffective government agents trampling all over the crime scene. Especially part time military personell.


44 posted on 04/22/2013 9:34:01 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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House to House searches in MA. What can we do when the entire block is filled with jackboots?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2LrbsUVSVl8&feature=youtu.be


45 posted on 04/22/2013 9:37:33 AM PDT by varyouga
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Wouldn’t want to deal with a grecience....I had a grecience once. Took days to wash it off.


46 posted on 04/22/2013 9:38:21 AM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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I still think it is because from the very start, it is determined a criminal act, and going to be proceeded as handled by justice department.

In the confusion soon after the bombings, I assumed help from any source would be welcomed.


47 posted on 04/22/2013 9:40:00 AM PDT by Sir Napsalot (Pravda + Useful Idiots = CCCP; JournOList + Useful Idiots = DopeyChangey!)
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To: American Constitutionalist

“It’s called a “ Crap Sandwich “ “

A Bowel Burger Au Jus?


48 posted on 04/22/2013 9:43:10 AM PDT by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Pecos

How is the activation of state National Guard troops a violation of the Posse Comitatus Act?


49 posted on 04/22/2013 9:48:43 AM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: patriotgal1787

Stupid turf war with the cops.


50 posted on 04/22/2013 9:49:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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