Ron Paul fans furious over Rand Paul's drone flip-flop

Foreign Policy ^ | April 23, 2013 | John Hudson

[BfloGuy]

Ron Paul's vibrant fan base is in open rebellion today over Rand Paul's reversal on domestic drone strikes. The Kentucky senator, whose famous 13-hour Senate floor filibuster did much to strengthen his ties with his father's hardcore following, told Fox Business Network on Tuesday he's OK with drone strikes on American citizens who, for instance, rob a liquor store

[mrsmith]

Much ado about nothing.
After the quoted line he says something about “a killer on the loose”.

Interview here:
http://www.wealthdaily.com/articles/rand-paul-talks-bill-of-rights/4209

Not a big Rand fan but his enemies can be pathetic sometimes.

[Monorprise]

” told Fox Business Network on Tuesday he’s OK with drone strikes on American citizens who, for instance, rob a liquor store”

Seriously??? Why on earth would anyone support that?
What kind of nut job would uses a done to go after a simple rober?

1: The Structural collateral damage from such a strike could easily reach a million dollars, well in excess of the value of any possible stolen contents(which would also be destroyed).

2: If hes an american citizen he should be tried not killed until convicted, which he wouldn’t be for simply robing a liquor store.

3: Why have a drone flying around at tax payer dollars for surveillance when you could far more cheaply simply have video cameras in such camera & urban settings. Heck the most cost effective and secure option of all is an armed population.

Rand Paul must have been misquoted I can’t believe anyone would say such at thing.

[Sir Napsalot]

So far, Paul said or did something I can agree on, then next day something totally unexpected comes from him.

I just don’t know how I can trust the guy.

[stockpirate]

Rand Paul comes out of the closet and now everyone knows he is a New World Order socialist.

[BfloGuy]

Natural-born...in Canada. lol.

Oh, great one, where is it written that a natural-born citizen cannot be born in Canada?

[Andy from Chapel Hill]

By electing BHO twice, given all of the non-NBC info available, the American people have effectively changed the definition of NBC to having one USA citizen parent.

If Cruz runs, expect silence from the Democrats, lest they have to play out Obama’s BC in court with the Federal Rules of Evidence allowing examination of the BC by experts.

I would support Cruz because he is the most Presidential and electable conservative in the mix. IMHO, Santorum is not cut of Presidential timber and is rapidly becoming irrelevant.

[Seizethecarp]

Before long the Police will need armed drones equipped to take out the armed drones of Islamists, Cartels and homicidal ex-lovers!

Drone dogfights are coming to the skies of the USA, IMO!

(see my tagline)

[Cyman]

I can not imagine a better use for a drone than this exact instance.

[Ditter]

I saw a car today with a Ron Paul bumper sticker and beside it a COEXIST bumper sticker.

[Girlene]

A guy robbing a liquor store is an “imminent threat”? I don’t think that was what Paul meant when he originally said it during the filibuster.

[SunkenCiv]

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  ...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said. [Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance]

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  One day after announcing on his radio show that he is "truly considering" running in 2014 for the U.S. Senate seat now held by New Jersey's Frank Lautenberg, Rivera amped up his message today in a television interview and a column on the Fox News Latino website... a moderate Republican who is fiscally conservative but also supports gay marriage and Roe v. Wade... [Geraldo Rivera declares himself a 'moderate Republican' as he eyes U.S. Senate run]

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[SunkenCiv]

Thanks BfloGuy.

Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
LATimes.com | March 19, 2013 | Michael A. Memoli
Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3010596/posts

[GBA]

Some say it's better to seek forgiveness after the fact than to seek permission before, but I disagree. It does matter how you play the game...at least, to me it does.

obama has done a lot to try to change the Constitution, but there is a process to make those changes and, thanks to a variety of forces, we haven't followed it.

Be like the demonrats and go for that short term gain and do whatever it takes get it, if that is how you approach things, but don't be surprised if that's not an easy sell for you and don't expect a lot of help from the one stream media like obama has gotten.

If Cruz runs, I most certainly do expect a great deal of challenge from the demonrats against a guy who wasn't even born in the US, unlike obama who supposedly was, as they have supposedly convinced the masses.

Those who push Cruz as President make me suspicious of their motives and agenda, since I know how divisive his nomination would be and how wasteful it would be.

At best, presidents get 8 years. A Senate majority/minority leader could be in office for decades.

Imagine how different our world would be with someone like Cruz putting the Constitutional test to all that the Senate does and compare that to what we have now with Dingy Harry.

Or we could fight about Cruz's eligibility all through the campaign and have once reliable GOP voters sit out another Presidential election...again.

[familyop]

LOL! Now that post made me laugh.

[Jack Hydrazine]

How to jam a drone.
http://privat.bahnhof.se/wb907234/killuav.htm

[Andy from Chapel Hill]

Thanks for the thoughtful reply.

I agree that Ted Cruz as senate majority leader is a great idea.

I also now think leaving Paul Ryan in the House is a great idea.

While I like Rand Paul. I am not sure he is electable against HRC.

There is no one from the 2012 primary season that I would like to be the R nominee. Where is our next POTUS coming from? Rubio? I do not like the grand compromise on immigration, but recognize the reality of the demographic shift. Is Susanna Martinez POTUS timber? She would give HRC a challenge if she is smart on her feet.

[GBA]

I agree that there doesn't yet seem to be the next Republican candidate for POTUS, not a superstar candidate any way, but I'm not concerned about it yet.

Were it up to me, my preference is for someone with some command and leadership experience, such as a Governor or a business CEO with a proven track record, rather than another congress person.

Time will tell and the 2014 election season likely will paint some potential target candidates on voter radar that are off that radar in stealth mode now, just doing the jobs they currently have.

I'm far more concerned that our elections have been so thoroughly corrupted and are out of our control.

Unless this is addressed, it won't matter who the candidates are if the outcome has been decided before or regardless of how the votes are cast. The election is just for show.

[BfloGuy]

Canada is not US territory and only his mom was a US citizen

Neither of which prevents his being a natural-born citizen. As I said, he was born a citizen -- he did not have to naturalized. He is eligible.

As for those who want to put on their hair shirts and preclude a potentially powerful conservative candidate from running, I can only say that they will never be happy with anyone. It is extremely self-destructive and even self-loathing to come up with a definition of natural-born that excludes Ted Cruz.

It is just so much chest-beating to show they're such huge patriots that they're willing to exclude a potentially excellent candidate that would well represent their views.

I am a profound believer in our Constitution, but the term "natural born" was not defined by the Founders nor has it been satisfactorily defined by the Supreme Court. The term "natural born" was coined to mean those who were citizens at birth and had no loyalties to foreign heads-of-state.

I'm really getting tired of the made-up controversies.

[GBA]

Run Cruz for President and you lose me as a voter and now I'm working against you. You never will get the demonrats to vote for him and now you just lost supporters like me. Good thinking.

Otoh, run Cruz as majority leader and you have my undivided and enthusiastic support, along with my open check book.

Nothing made up. No hair shirts. Just those facts and those promises, with plenty of historical citations to back up the reasoning behind them.

Fwiw, I am not alone in this belief and you obviously know that.

If and until you change the Constitution or hash this out in the open such that counters history and firmly establishes your opinion over the historical one, you will NEVER change those minds or mine.

All you'll do is raise suspicions and lower trust and those voters stay home. Good plan.

People pushing Cruz for President know or should know how divisive that will be and they know or should know it will taint him, thus taking him out of the position of influence he now enjoys.

Which is why I suspect you are doing it now. Cruz is clearly a scary guy if you're not on the same side he is. Better to take him out this way than to face him.

It's rather ironic that you would run someone like Cruz, who could restore the Constitution, for a position he isn't Constitutionally eligible for. Only a couple of reasons someone would try to do that.

[BfloGuy]

Run Cruz for President and you lose me as a voter and now I'm working against you. You never will get the demonrats to vote for him and now you just lost supporters like me. Good thinking. Otoh, run Cruz as majority leader and you have my undivided and enthusiastic support, along with my open check book.

I do not understand the compulsion to make the term "natural-born" more rigorous than it was meant to be. Cruz was born an American citizen -- he did not have to be "naturalized". He was natural born.

The rest of your comment speculating on my motives doesn't merit a response.