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Religious Groups Fear Christian Purge From Military
Townhall ^ | 4/30/2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 04/30/2013 3:53:52 PM PDT by markomalley

Religious liberty groups have grave concerns after they learned the Pentagon is vetting its guide on religious tolerance with a group that compared Christian evangelism to “rape” and advocated that military personnel who proselytize should be court martialed.

The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

President Mikey Weinstein and others from his organization met privately with Pentagon officials on April 23. He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.”

“Someone needs to be punished for this,” Weinstein told Fox News. “Until the Air Force or Army or Navy or Marine Corps punishes a member of the military for unconstitutional religious proselytizing and oppression, we will never have the ability to stop this horrible, horrendous, dehumanizing behavior.”

Tony Perkins, president of the Family Research Council, told Fox News he was stunned that the Pentagon would be taking counsel and advice from the Military Religious Freedom Foundation.

“Why would military leadership be meeting with one of the most rabid atheists in America to discuss religious freedom in the military,” Perkins said. “That’s like consulting with China on how to improve human rights.”

The FRC has launched a petition drive urging Defense Sec. Chuck Hagel to protect the religious freedom of troops “and not to proceed with the purge of religion within the ranks called for by anti-Christian activists.”

Pentagon officials met with Weinstein and his group to discuss a policy called “Air Force Culture, Air Force Standards,” published on Aug. 7, 2012.

Section 2.11 requires “government neutrality regarding religion.”

“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the regulation states.

Military leaders were admonished not to use their position to “promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion.”

Weinstein said it’s time for the Air Force to enforce the regulation – with zeal.

“If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted,” he said. “We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

He compared the act of proselytizing to rape.

“It is a version of being spiritually raped and you are being spiritually raped by fundamentalist Christian religious predators,” he told Fox News.

He said there is a time and a place for those in uniform to share their faith – but he took issues with fundamentalism that he says is causing widespread problems in the military.

“When those people are in uniform and they believe there is no time, place or manner in which they can be restricted from proselytizing, they are creating tyranny, oppression, degradation, humiliation and horrible, horrible pain upon members of the military,” he said.

Perkins said the military regulations have “Weinstein’s fingerprints all over it.”

“It threatens to treat service members caught witnessing as enemies of the state,” he said, referring to a Washington Post article highlighting Weinstein’s meeting with Pentagon officials. “Non-compliance, the Pentagon suggests, even from ordained chaplains could result in court-martialing on a case-by-case basis.”

The Pentagon confirmed to Fox News that Christian evangelism is against regulations.

“Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense, LCDR Nate Christensen said in a written statement. He declined to say if any chaplains or service members had been prosecuted for such an offense.

“Court martials and non-judicial punishments are decided on a case-by-case basis and it would be inappropriate to speculate on the outcome in specific cases,” he said.

Ron Crews, the executive director of the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty, warns that the Air Force policy would “significantly impact the religious liberties of Air Force personnel.”

“Saying that a service member cannot speak of his faith is like telling a service member he cannot talk about his spouse or children,” Crews said. “I do not think the Air Force wants to ban personnel from protected religious speech, and I certainly hope that it is willing to listen to the numerous individuals and groups who protect military religious liberty without demonizing service members.”

In an interview with the Washington Post, Weinstein called proselytizing a “national security threat.”

“And what the Pentagon needs to understand is that it is sedition and treason,” he told the newspaper. “It should be punished.”

Perkins said it was troubling the Obama Administration would place so much trust in someone like Weinstein.

"Unfortunately, it appears our military is on a forced march away from the very freedoms they are sworn to protect,” he said. “This language from Weinstein that Christians who share their faith or offer comfort to others from their faith in Jesus Christ is "sedition and treason" is a treasonous statement in and of itself.”

But Weinstein said they count thousands of Protestants among their ranks – and said they are simply going after fundamentalists.

“As soon as we find a fundamentalist Muslim, atheist, Jewish person or anybody else, we will be happy to fight them – but so far they have been few and far between,” he said.

Lt. Gen. (Ret.) Jerry Boykin, an executive vice president with the Family Research Council, told Fox News that he’s deeply concerned by what he call a pattern of attacks on Christianity within the military.

“Mickey Weinstein has a very visceral hated of Christianity and those who are Christians,” he said. “He’d like to see it eliminated from the military entirely.”

If the Air Force policy is implemented, Boykin said Christians who speak of their faith “could now be prosecuted as enemies of the state.”

“This has the potential to destroy military recruiting across the services as Americans realize that their faith will be suppressed by joining the military,” Boykin said.

In the meantime, Weinstein and his group said they will continue to push for the Pentagon to fully implement its ban on proselytizing.

“There is a time, place and manner in which proselytizing is not only allowed, but it’s something we support among our Christian clients,” Weinstein said. “However, you can’t scream fire in a crowded theater and you can’t scream Jesus in a crowded theater at certain times, places, and in certain manners.”


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So according to this Pentagon consultant, religious evangelism "… is sedition and treason."

 

Just.

 

Wow.

 

Honestly, I didn't think the country was going to be this far gone for another 4-5 years. This is fast.

1 posted on 04/30/2013 3:53:52 PM PDT by markomalley
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To: markomalley

It’s coming if it’s not already there . . . we have an anti-Christian, anti-Semitic, pagan, and pro-muslim in our White House . . . his handlers have no use for Christianity, which they’ve made obvious by their wholesale endorsement of allowing sodomites to flourish in all the barracks and the muzzling of the chaplains.


2 posted on 04/30/2013 3:59:47 PM PDT by laweeks
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To: markomalley

Need a Congressional investigation as to why this organization is advising the Pentagon. Need to fire some three- and four- stars who are allowing this. I don’t care if they end up begging on the streets. The country would be better off without them.


3 posted on 04/30/2013 4:04:45 PM PDT by righttackle44 (Take scalps. Leave the bodies as a warning.)
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To: markomalley

Of course they are going to purge the military of Christians. They’re not going to use the military against Muslims.


4 posted on 04/30/2013 4:06:27 PM PDT by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: markomalley

The problem with the speed isn’t the acceleration but the inertia. We’re moving at breakneck speed to pure Communism, and the people are none the wiser. American Idol is still on, Obamaphones are still available, EBT cards can still get you a 40 oz. malt liquor and Wagyu beef. When those things STOP being available, the true inertia of this nation’s descent will be felt as it slams into the wall of Civil War. It’s coming.


5 posted on 04/30/2013 4:06:30 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: markomalley; All
“Leaders at all levels must balance constitutional protections for an individual’s free exercise of religion or other personal beliefs and the constitutional prohibition against governmental establishment of religion,” the regulation states.

The problem is that nobody but Congress can violate the 1st Amendment imo. And the only reason that anti-religious expression judges get away with legislating religion-targeted hate "laws" from the bench is because citizens are not taught the difference between legislative and judicial powers.

What am I overlooking?

6 posted on 04/30/2013 4:08:53 PM PDT by Amendment10
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To: markomalley

Jesus is the Way and every other way is not the way.
Hope that doesn’t offend you, Mikey.


7 posted on 04/30/2013 4:18:15 PM PDT by avenir (I'm pessimistic about man, but I'm optimistic about GOD!)
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To: markomalley

Easy - if they discriminate against Christians, we sue the tanks off them...


8 posted on 04/30/2013 4:40:48 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: markomalley

Easy - if they discriminate against Christians, we sue the tanks off them...

HELLO Supreme Court!!


9 posted on 04/30/2013 4:41:09 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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If they purge faithful Christians from the military, there will be no military: perhaps that is the objective.


10 posted on 04/30/2013 4:48:39 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: markomalley
He said U.S. troops who proselytize are guilty of sedition and treason and should be punished – by the hundreds if necessary – to stave off what he called a “tidal wave of fundamentalists.”

I see what they did here. They've turned centuries of religious freedom into persecution in an extremely short period of time. You're right. This was fast. End times anyone?

11 posted on 04/30/2013 5:04:47 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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I'm not surprised Mikey (what adult man calls himself "Mikey"??) said that he couldn't find "fundamentalist" Moslems. The leftists/Moslems in power are now going pedal to the metal to destroy our country. In order to destroy it, they must destroy the military - iow, turn the military into a tool for tyranny against we the people. Gutting the military of principled Christians is an essential part of this. I agree with markomalley - it's going off the cliff very, very fast.

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12 posted on 04/30/2013 5:25:59 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: Godwin1

There will be a smaller military filled with homosexuals, atheists and Moslems. They will be the tool to finally destroy the country. Or so the so-called president and his handlers hope.


13 posted on 04/30/2013 5:30:08 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Courage is not simply one of the virtues, but the form of every virtue at the testing point. CSLewis)
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To: markomalley

Honestly, I didn’t think the country was going to be this far gone for another 4-5 years. This is fast....

For such a time as this: http://www.patburt.com/


14 posted on 04/30/2013 5:31:25 PM PDT by stars & stripes forever ((Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!))
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To: markomalley

They don’t need Christians anymore. They have legions of fierce gays just knocking down the doors of the recruiting stations. Ankles away!

Just. effing. fabulous. Nothing left to do but party like the sun is about to explode.

Bring the troops home. What is left here isn’t worth getting a paper cut for.


15 posted on 04/30/2013 5:52:51 PM PDT by SargeK
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To: little jeremiah

And that is why islam is being pushed in public schools. Soon Christianity will be illegal because it “discriminates”. Wait and see.


16 posted on 04/30/2013 5:56:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley

“Weinstein spent over three years in the West Wing of the Reagan White House as legal counsel to the White House. He began with an appointment to the Office of Budget Management and was soon named the Committee Management Officer of the much-publicized Iran-Contra Investigation in his capacity as Assistant General Counsel of The White House Office of Administration, Executive Office of the President of the United States.

Weinstein served as the first General Counsel to Texas billionaire and two-time Presidential candidate H. Ross Perot and Perot Systems Corporation and left in 2006 to work full-time on the Military Religious Freedom Foundation (MRFF), a nonprofit foundation he founded in March 2006. This foundation was formed as a watchdog organization to protect religious freedom in the military in accordance with Department of Defense Directive 1300.17, Accommodation of Religious Practices Within the Military Services.[4][5] MRFF has been nominated on five separate occasions, spanning four consecutive years, for the Nobel Peace Prize.[6]”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_L._Weinstein

He’s a Jew who hates Christians.


17 posted on 04/30/2013 6:05:12 PM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: markomalley; P-Marlowe; LiteKeeper
The Pentagon confirmed to Fox News that Christian evangelism is against regulations.

“Religious proselytization is not permitted within the Department of Defense, LCDR Nate Christensen said in a written statement. He declined to say if any chaplains or service members had been prosecuted for such an offense.

This is simply incorrect. The religious rights of service members on their own time is fully protected. The religious rights of those on government time is protected for the most part. For example, one cannot stop in the middle of the assault on Hill 109 and demand a worship service right then and there. Can that soldier say before attacking the hill, "Who wants to pray with me?" He sure can.

And can he say, "You need to believe in Jesus!"? He sure can. The same as anyone in America can at any point in time.

To say otherwise is to say that there is a government prescribed religion to which one must adhere.

From Army Field Manual 4-0, Chapter 13, Religious Support:

Chapter 13

Religious Support

Chaplains, on behalf of the commander, provide and perform religious support (RS) in the Army to ensure the free exercise of religion. Chaplains are obligated to provide for those religious services or practices that they cannot personally perform. Chaplains perform religious support when their actions are in accordance with the tenets or beliefs of their faith group. Chaplain assistants assist the chaplain in providing or performing this religious support.

The First Amendment guarantees every American the right to the free exercise of religion. Title 10 requires the military to ensure that right to military personnel. The Army implements this requirement in AR 165-1. Religious support operations ensure those rights of free exercise of religion to the soldier, family members, and authorized civilians. This includes religious services, rites, sacraments, ordinances, pastoral care, religious education, family life ministry, institutional ministry, professional support to the command and staff, management and administration, religious/humanitarian support, religious support planning/operations and religious support training. Religious support also includes advice to the command on matters of religion, morals, morale, and the coordination with nongovernmental organizations (NGOs) and private voluntary organizations (PVOs), as appropriate. FM 1-05 and JP 1-05 provide detailed discussions of religious support.

FM 1-05 says:

1-4. At every echelon of the force, the chaplaincy is the Army’s primary agency for ensuring the right to free exercise of religion for Soldiers on behalf of the commander. The chaplains and chaplain assistants, from the Chief of Chaplains down to battalion UMTs, fulfill this core and essential responsibility. Based upon the requirements of the operational mission, a Soldier exercises this right in a number of ways to include:

- Worshipping according to one’s faith.
- Seeking religious counsel and care.
- Keeping holy days and observances.
- Participating in rites, sacraments, and ordinances.
- Practicing dietary laws.

One can't "keep observances" such as "witnessing", if one is prevented from doing so. The only way to tell a soldier that he/she can't "keep an observance" of his religion is to force him to follow a different religion.

18 posted on 04/30/2013 6:08:56 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: xzins
Obama does not care about the constitution, as we all have already seen. He said he will fundamentally change this country. He's doing just that. Obama choose this man to be a consultant to the Pentagon to develop NEW policies on religious tolerance.

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2013/04/28/Pentagon-Consults-Extremist-Who-Calls-Christians-Monsters-and-Enemies-of-the-Constitution-to-Develop-Religious-Tolerance-Policy

19 posted on 04/30/2013 6:25:22 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Woe to those who call evil good and good evil, who put darkness for light and light for darkness)
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To: Linda Frances

My career as an Army Chaplain says this is not over.

The proper response is prayer and standing to fight.


20 posted on 04/30/2013 6:29:07 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: markomalley
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”I heard a plaintive sound as, of a man at prayer.
I tied my horse to a sapling & went quietly into
the woods & to my astonishment I saw the
great George Washington on his knees
alone, with his sword on one side and his cocked
hat on the other. He was at Prayer to the God of
the Armies, beseeching to interpose with his
Divine aid, as it was ye Crisis, & the cause of the
country, of humanity & of the world.”


I tremble for my country when I reflect that God is just; that his justice cannot sleep forever. - Thomas Jefferson
21 posted on 04/30/2013 6:30:09 PM PDT by PowderMonkey (WILL WORK FOR AMMO)
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To: markomalley

I had a Sergeant in USAF Basic Training (1966) tell us that he did not believe there would be chapels on Air Force Bases in the future. He was not happy with the way the nation was moving away from religion.

It looks like his prophecy is coming true.


22 posted on 04/30/2013 6:41:30 PM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: little jeremiah

Christians need to get ready to take this one to the Supreme Court...


23 posted on 04/30/2013 6:55:50 PM PDT by GOPJ (The screed of so-called journalists: 'If it doesn't fit, you must omit.' - - freeper Vigilanteman)
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To: markomalley; 1000 silverlings; Alex Murphy; bkaycee; blue-duncan; boatbums; caww; ...
Weinstein said it’s time for the Air Force to enforce the regulation – with zeal.

“If a member of the military is proselytizing in a manner that violates the law, well then of course they can be prosecuted,” he said. “We would love to see hundreds of prosecutions to stop this outrage of fundamentalist religious persecution.”

He compared the act of proselytizing to rape.

“It is a version of being spiritually raped and you are being spiritually raped by fundamentalist Christian religious predators,” he told Fox News.

And yet the demand *sensitivity training* for the military so when some muslim rants about killing soldiers, he's permitted to continue until he actually acts, as in Ft.Hood.

Interesting video clip by Rick Joyner here about the Boston Marathon bombing and the government's complicity in it all. HE talks about what real treason is and it isn't for sharing the gospel....

I don't know if this link will work but here it is anyway.

http://www.morningstartv.com/prophetic-perspective-current-events/special-bulletin-boston-marathon-bombing?utm_source=The+MorningStar+Ministries+eNewsletter&utm_campaign=702f569ded-Special_Bulletin_Boston_4.25.13&utm_medium=email

24 posted on 04/30/2013 6:57:43 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: markomalley

It’s called purging the ranks, and has been successfuly used by the likes of stalin, mao, and hitler to ensure a compliant fighting force, devoid of morals, loyal to the party, and willing to carry out orders without question. If you think the military won’t turn their guns on us civilians, the groundwork for making that scenario an inevitability is being put into place as we speak.


25 posted on 04/30/2013 7:02:00 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: xzins
My career as an Army Chaplain says this is not over. The proper response is prayer and standing to fight.

2 Corinthians 10:3-6 3 For though we walk in the flesh, we are not waging war according to the flesh. 4 For the weapons of our warfare are not of the flesh but have divine power to destroy strongholds. 5 We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ, 6 being ready to punish every disobedience, when your obedience is complete.

26 posted on 04/30/2013 7:02:57 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

Thank you, Sister, for that God-breathed scripture.


27 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:11 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: factoryrat
If you think the military won’t turn their guns on us civilians, the groundwork for making that scenario an inevitability is being put into place as we speak.

Of course it's happening. It HAS to happen for the soldiers to turn their guns on their fellow citizens.

28 posted on 04/30/2013 7:05:24 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

Unless, of course you are islamic.

29 posted on 04/30/2013 7:06:44 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: xzins
Being the son of a Lutheran minister and having a son in the Marines I concur that it is not over but has yet to start.
Onward Christian soldiers!
30 posted on 04/30/2013 7:08:18 PM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: xzins

Jesus is all we have left. The worst they can do is kill us and then we’re beyond their reach FOREVER!!!!

It’s good to keep in mind what the real enemy is.

Seems like we’re heading for the end times at breakneck speed. It is mind boggling how fast this is happening, and yet, no real surprise, IMO, with obama getting re-elected.


31 posted on 04/30/2013 7:12:54 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: svcw

Truer than you realize. See the link in post 24.

It does work, BTW.

I am pretty cautious about who I listen to but Rick Joyner seems pretty solid and really nailed it.


32 posted on 04/30/2013 7:16:50 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"proselytizing in a manner that violates the law"

What does that mean? Can Weinstein describe what he means without descending into hysterical political babbling? Can he recite the applicable "regulations" absent the raving fulminations betraying an obvious propagandistic ambition?

Thanks for the beep!

33 posted on 04/30/2013 7:18:29 PM PDT by YHAOS
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To: markomalley

Hell, I did not think it would be this far gone in my lifetime.


34 posted on 04/30/2013 7:26:53 PM PDT by sport
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To: laweeks

And as 2008 and 2012 proved, we have at least 51% that will return the bastard to the White House if he chooses to allow an election in 2016 and an equal per centage that will approve and support him remaining in the White House.


35 posted on 04/30/2013 7:30:23 PM PDT by sport
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To: GOPJ

The Supreme Court worked real well with obamacare did it not?


36 posted on 04/30/2013 7:32:36 PM PDT by sport
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To: metmom

Amen sister, amen!


37 posted on 04/30/2013 8:12:44 PM PDT by svcw (If you are dead when your heart stops, why aren't you alive when it starts.)
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To: markomalley

Whoever added the 666 keyword is not too far off.

Obama intends to lead this country down the path to Hell. He pushes homosexuality and baby-termination, all flying in the face of God.

And he wants to divide Israel and perhaps Jerusalem in stark opposition to Joel 3:1-2 and Zechariah 12:1-3.

The hour is late, FRiends.


38 posted on 04/30/2013 8:40:25 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: markomalley

I daresay I’m not certain we’ll make it to 2016. They way things are going, Bush II may have been our last Republican President.


39 posted on 04/30/2013 8:41:53 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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Weinstein doesn’t like Christians! There is a surprise!


40 posted on 04/30/2013 8:42:05 PM PDT by Godwin1
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To: Godwin1

Neither does Obama.


41 posted on 04/30/2013 9:28:57 PM PDT by aimhigh (Guns do not kill people. Abortion kills people.)
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To: markomalley

Well, Mickey boy, happy dhimmi that you are, who will fight for your right not to be beheaded by islamofacists if it comes to that? Since I’m on the subject, Mickey, do you demand that muslims stop proslytizing too? Especially in prison?


42 posted on 04/30/2013 9:39:01 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: ilovesarah2012

Yep, the type who, when hears the word christian, sees barbed wire.


43 posted on 04/30/2013 9:41:52 PM PDT by Amberdawn
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To: markomalley
We're supposed to be worried by statements from a person named MIKEY???!!!
44 posted on 05/01/2013 3:59:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: markomalley
The Military Religious Freedom Foundation is calling on the Air Force to enforce a regulation that they believe calls for the court martial of any service member caught proselytizing.

Oh POOP!!!


45 posted on 05/01/2013 4:03:31 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: markomalley
Section 2.11 requires “government neutrality regarding religion.”

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In the name of God, Amen. We, whose names are underwritten, the loyal subjects of our dread Sovereign Lord King James, by the Grace of God, of Great Britain, France, and Ireland, King, defender of the Faith, etc.

Having undertaken, for the Glory of God, and advancements of the Christian faith and honor of our King and Country, a voyage to plant the first colony in the Northern parts of Virginia, do by these presents, solemnly and mutually, in the presence of God, and one another, covenant and combine ourselves together into a civil body politic; for our better ordering, and preservation and furtherance of the ends aforesaid; and by virtue hereof to enact, constitute, and frame, such just and equal laws, ordinances, acts, constitutions, and offices, from time to time, as shall be thought most meet and convenient for the general good of the colony; unto which we promise all due submission and obedience.In witness whereof we have hereunto subscribed our names at Cape Cod the 11th of November, in the year of the reign of our Sovereign Lord King James, of England, France, and Ireland, the eighteenth, and of Scotland the fifty-fourth, 1620.

 
 
 

46 posted on 05/01/2013 4:10:42 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: metmom

“Atheist pamphlets coming to Orange County schools [Orlando, Florida]”

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3014375/posts

The world is upside down.


47 posted on 05/01/2013 4:13:51 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (_.. ._. .. _. _._ __ ___ ._. . ___ ..._ ._ ._.. _ .. _. .)
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To: rarestia
The problem with the speed isn’t the acceleration but the inertia.





Are you still killing your unborn?

-- GOD


 

48 posted on 05/01/2013 4:15:52 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: Amendment10
What am I overlooking?



49 posted on 05/01/2013 4:19:09 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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To: SoldierDad
They've turned centuries of religious freedom into persecution in an extremely short period of time.

HMMMmmm...

THAT sure is interesting!

50 posted on 05/01/2013 4:20:08 AM PDT by Elsie (Heck is where people, who don't believe in Gosh, think they are not going...)
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