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What is Really Threatened by Gay Marriage?
American Thinker ^ | 05/01/2013 | By Sergeant Thomas O’Neal

Posted on 05/01/2013 6:30:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

As a Soldier and someone who will soon be applying to become Chaplain, I am forced to write this article under a pseudonym. It isn't because I am afraid that my beliefs or convictions are wrong but it is entirely possible that this could be used by some to keep me out of the Chaplains Corps where I think I can do such good for the Soldiers of the United States.

I not writing my personal beliefs about homosexuality or gay marriage. Instead I would like to focus on a constitutional issue: how would legalizing homosexual marriage affect the First Amendment? I have seen and heard many arguments about the effects that gay marriage would have (or not have) on society and why it is such a Neanderthal viewpoint to be against gay marriage. My concern is if gay marriage is legalized, how will that affect the constitutionally protected idea of freedom of religion?

I find it strange that the biggest story of the day on April 29, 2013 was an NBA player coming out of the closet. He was immediately hailed as brave, admirable, a courageous individual, etc. Personally, I think it is a bit silly that this is a story, for two reasons: first, does anyone really care, or are they personally affected by what happens in the bedroom of Jason Collins? And secondly, if Mr. Collins was coming out so that young adults had a role model to look up to, what about Baylor basketball player Brittney Griner who is going to the WNBA and came out last week? Do lesbians not count as role models in sports?

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Philosophy
KEYWORDS: gaymarriage; homosexualagenda; homosexuality
The straightforward answer to the above question is this --- OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS BEING THREATENED BY GAY MARRIAGE.
1 posted on 05/01/2013 6:30:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The real problem with all this is teaching children that homosexuality is normal behavior. A strong traditional family is the best arrangement for our species survival and for society.


2 posted on 05/01/2013 6:34:45 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SeekAndFind

Our First Amendment Rights, especially freedom of the press is next in line to go when it will be made illegal to speak ill of them. It happened in Canada and Pastors were hauled off to jail by quoting the Scriptures regarding it.


3 posted on 05/01/2013 6:37:05 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SeekAndFind

It’s intent is to destroy marriage as an institution.

How is marriage threatened by polygamy?


4 posted on 05/01/2013 6:37:41 AM PDT by AppyPappy (You never see a massacre at a gun show.)
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To: sr4402

If the 2nd amendment falls so go the rest probably in numerical order.


5 posted on 05/01/2013 6:39:15 AM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: SeekAndFind
RE :”After discussing this with a couple of liberal friends, they reject my argument because they say, “any gay marriage legislation would come with religious protection.” I am not convinced because there should be no need for “religious protection” written into any law. The religious protection should come from the First Amendment!”

The same ‘protections’ that exempt religious based orgs from Obama-care mandates on abortion pills?

6 posted on 05/01/2013 6:41:04 AM PDT by sickoflibs (To GOP : Any path to US citizenship IS putting them ahead in line. Stop lying about your position.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is a set-up to legitimize the mentally disturbed behavior, allow disease vectoring to the public and the threat it carries for public health, and worst of all—allowing male homosexuals access and adoption of young boys.


7 posted on 05/01/2013 6:42:24 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot (Marxism works well only with the uneducated and the unarmed.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
A strong traditional family is the best arrangement for our species survival and for society.

The Progressives and Liberals in are against Holy Matrimony and being only for "Alternative Lifestyles". As such they do not promote strong families (a Mother and a Father) producing good children for the next generation.

An ungodly generation is just crying out for more sin. And unless we, as a nation repent, our future is as Sodom and Gomorrah.

8 posted on 05/01/2013 6:42:44 AM PDT by sr4402
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To: SeekAndFind

“The solution is simple: states should not issue marriage licenses at all, just civil union licenses. But until that compromise is discovered by both sides if the aisle, the real threat of gay marriage isn’t against traditional marriage, it is against the First Amendment.”

If it keeps the state from punishing those that won’t buy into ‘gay marriage’, the homosexualists will fight against this. And the state will surely fight to keep marriage, it gives it lots of power over the culture when many are conditioned to think that marriage comes from and is defined by the state, just like charity and education.

FReegards


9 posted on 05/01/2013 6:48:03 AM PDT by Ransomed
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To: SeekAndFind
Gay Marriage is going to be used like a "Battering Ram" to smash down Traditional Institutions like the Boy Scouts and Religious Institutions.
They will do to them, what they did for the YMCA in the 80's.

10 posted on 05/01/2013 6:49:03 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: SeekAndFind

What I don’t understand is why this basketball player is being seen as a hero. Homosexual men are notoriously promiscuous and anal sex is a very efficient way to spread disease. Why on earth is this seen as heroic? I don’t get it.


11 posted on 05/01/2013 6:53:16 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: AppyPappy

or bestiality?


12 posted on 05/01/2013 7:03:25 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Happy Hunger Games! May the odds be ever in your favor.)
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To: tuffydoodle

“I don’t get it.”

That is because you are a sane person living in an insane world...


13 posted on 05/01/2013 7:05:28 AM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: BipolarBob

As soon as the homos get to marry, I have heard there are poeple considering marrying their dog and their horse...for obamacare.


14 posted on 05/01/2013 7:14:47 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: Falcon4.0

“Gay Marriage is going to be used like a “Battering Ram” to smash down Traditional Institutions like the Boy Scouts and Religious Institutions.”

Exactly! They don’t give a rat’s rear, or any other kind of rear, about marriage. This is just a means to attack Christianity. It is meant to allow them to sue anyone who doesn’t kiss their butt.

It is incredibly obvious that a man’s penis is not meant by God or nature or anything else to go up a man’s rump. It is an obvious perversion, so why take any steps to normalize perversion? There is little difference between homosexuality and bestiality. One is as disgusting and unnatural as the other.


15 posted on 05/01/2013 7:17:03 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: SeekAndFind

Human value is derived from God created individuality... male and female. Let everything reproduce after its own kind... God instituted the family for this purpose... it is a perversion of the image of God to do otherwise, and therefore an abomination. Trans sexual, transgender and trans-humanism seeks to break the restrictions of God’s created order, in essence to build our own tower of Babel... to be the gods of our own destiny. Flat out, homosexual marriage is an abomination before the Lord, even if your a Republican. It opens a pandora’s box that leads to the return of Nephilim... the mix of animal, demonic, and/or fallen angel DNA with that of mankind.


16 posted on 05/01/2013 7:17:23 AM PDT by dps.inspect (rage against the Obama machine...)
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To: sr4402

I’m beginning to think that God won’t allow us repentance, as a nation. We’re reaching a point where He might make an example of us - as we deserve.


17 posted on 05/01/2013 7:18:12 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (Liberals are like locusts...)
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To: tuffydoodle

If you don’t get it, take a step back.

Who is lionizing this guy? Leftists.

Who or what do leftists OPPOSE the most? Christ/God/Christianity.

What’s the best way to shake a fist in God’s face and grind down His people? Find what He considers abominable and promote it as good.


18 posted on 05/01/2013 7:18:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: areukiddingme1

RE: I have heard there are poeple considering marrying their dog and their horse...for obamacare.

OK, how does the dog say “I DO”? BARK ONCE — I DO, BARK TWICE — I DON’T?

What if he/she barks many times? LOL.


19 posted on 05/01/2013 7:19:08 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: Falcon4.0

The goal is to criminalize Christian beliefs and to be able to use the power of the State to punish Christians.


20 posted on 05/01/2013 7:20:00 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: SeekAndFind
What is Really Threatened by Gay Marriage?

Everything.

21 posted on 05/01/2013 7:20:34 AM PDT by EternalVigilance (Life, liberty, property, family, RKBA, sovereignty, security, borders, independence, the oath.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Dunno about that... Is your dog gay?


22 posted on 05/01/2013 7:20:35 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: AppyPappy

Are you serious?


23 posted on 05/01/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind
The goal of liberals is to destroy the family so everyone becomes dependent on the government.

Queer marriage is just a tool to destroy the family unit and morality.

With no family or morals people will accept most anything, even a communist dictator.

24 posted on 05/01/2013 7:33:49 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: SeekAndFind

What is threatened by Gay marriage? Lessee:

Normalization of
Pedophilia
Polygamy
Bestiality

And the preaching of such in our schools.

Due to lack of imagination, I have probably missed a bunch, too.


25 posted on 05/01/2013 7:37:43 AM PDT by Little Ray (How did I end up in this hand-basket, and why is it getting so hot?)
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To: areukiddingme1

A dog or a horse can’t give consent but what if I want to marry my brother? Or my sister? Or my dad? They can give consent and we are too old to have natural children. Why should we be stopped? If 2 men can marry then there is no reason why I can’t marry my sister.


26 posted on 05/01/2013 7:39:17 AM PDT by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: tuffydoodle

Absolutely...who are we to draw the line...I mean if the door is open the door is open. Let’s just not make a little mockery of marriage, let’s completely destroy it. Two men, bother sister, father son...where do you draw the line once across the line. If there are no standards then there are no standards, period. Everything is on the table and therefore nothing is out of bounds.


27 posted on 05/01/2013 7:45:09 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Sodomy is not a religion, it is a choice of lust. However to its practitioners it is a substitute for religion, and persued with all the ferver of it. .


28 posted on 05/01/2013 7:46:50 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Tim Tebow “came out” as a strong Christian, who not only talked the talk, but walked the walk in a myriad of ways, and he was excoriated by the media. Jason Collins “comes out” (a shock to everyone who knew him, including his IDENTICAL TWIN brother), and after having a long term heterosexual relationship with a woman, and he’s hailed by the media as some kind of hero. What is the danger to the First Amendment in normalizing abnormal behavior? Christianity has been, and continues to be under attack, and the homosexual lobby is but one direction this attack comes from. Normalizing homosexual behavior (key word: BEHAVIOR) will destroy this nation.


29 posted on 05/01/2013 7:48:08 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: tuffydoodle

“A dog or a horse can’t give consent...”

It’s implied...since they live in the house.


30 posted on 05/01/2013 7:48:11 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind

The problem with homosexual marriage is actually not government, but that orthodox religions have ceded a religious rite to the government.

Seriously (using the Catholic sacraments), how many of these should the churches recognize the government authority to administer (and to determine who is worthy of receiving them)?

Baptism.
Confirmation.
Holy Eucharist.
Penance (Confession).
Anointing of the Sick.
Holy Orders.

How about “none of them?” So why cede the sacrament of Marriage one iota?

The only way for the Orthodox and conservative churches to stop this nonsense is to take back marriage as a sacrament, and refuse to recognize it outside of it being a sacrament, by what is in effect a treaty between them.

That is, for example, a couple who say they are married go into a Catholic church and identify themselves as “Mr. and Mrs. Jones”. Unless they can provide documentation that they were legitimately married by the Catholic church, or another Orthodox church, they will not be considered married until that status is verified. If they cannot be verified as married by the rules, or cannot be married according to the rules, then they are treated as single people. Until such time as they have an authorized marriage.

When this is done, it does not matter *who* the government says is married. The government can marry a goat and a dog for all that matters. Likewise the government cannot divorce a married couple, either, as least as far as the orthodox churches are concerned.

On the surface this does not seem like a great change, but in truth it is. Once the orthodox and other conservatives take back marriage, it strips secular marriage of much of its legitimacy.

It also brings back some discipline to Catholics who are CINOs. Unless they follow the rules, they cannot have the legitimacy of couples that do.


31 posted on 05/01/2013 8:13:00 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Falcon4.0

What did they do to the YMCA?


32 posted on 05/01/2013 10:39:51 AM PDT by Pikachu_Dad (Impeach Sen Quinn)
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To: SeekAndFind
Marriage is intended to allow the strong to protect the weak (man to care for woman).

The proliferation of marriage will result over time in men become more and more like beasts and women will suffer.

Yes, marriage is intended to protect children also but God's plan for the care of women is a very high priority.

33 posted on 05/01/2013 11:38:42 AM PDT by what's up
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To: SeekAndFind

Except where government is forcing christian, mulsims and Jews to accept as normal(non-sinful) a self-destructive behavioral condemned in the bible. There is no conflict with the first amendment.

But then again technically speaking Its not within Washington’s power to have any say on the religious, cultural, and institutional matter of marriage period.

unfortunately if we can count on one thing from Washington it will be intrusive interference. Washington does not have a history of leaving people alone in respect to their religious, cultural, institutional or any other affairs. Federal politicians and their employees in black robes seem to stick their noses into anything and everything.


34 posted on 05/01/2013 12:22:55 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

I agree competely that is the problem and I know it started back in the 1990’s with things like the “gay strait aliance”.

Homosexuality is no more normal than cancer, and even more deadly to your lines survival.


35 posted on 05/01/2013 12:29:40 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

The man is right about one thing. The State needs to stop issuing marriage licences at all. We can’t trust the Government to keep an honest hand on this matter.

Marriage must return to the church.


36 posted on 05/01/2013 12:30:56 PM PDT by Monorprise
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To: SeekAndFind

I predicted years ago, before DADT repeal, that if homosexuals ever achieved permisssion (aka, AFFIRMATION) in the military, that they would own it - that they would be untouchable. I didn’t think it would happen this fast.


37 posted on 05/01/2013 1:21:12 PM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
As a Soldier and someone who will soon be applying to become Chaplain, I am forced to write this article under a pseudonym. It isn't because I am afraid that my beliefs or convictions are wrong but it is entirely possible that this could be used by some to keep me out of the Chaplains Corps where I think I can do such good for the Soldiers of the United States.

Forget it. If you do become a Chaplain; you will soon be outed as a Christian. Expect a court-martial.

38 posted on 05/01/2013 1:55:08 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (NO LIBS. This Means Liberals and (L)libertarians! Same Thing. NO LIBS!!)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy

I imagine something like that will eventually happen. Not sure it will keep anyone from getting punished when they refuse to accept whatever contracts the state claims are valid, but it might be a way of showing that real marriage and whatever impossibility the state is pushing at the time are two different things.

Freegards


39 posted on 05/01/2013 5:58:21 PM PDT by Ransomed
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Basically they turned it into a Gay Bathhouse.
40 posted on 05/02/2013 7:33:53 AM PDT by Falcon4.0
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To: SeekAndFind

Children, the first amendment, the family- real, not perverted, the most basic societal construct that sustains a civilization, Christianity and any other viable faith that does not involve detonating oneself...


41 posted on 05/02/2013 5:59:28 PM PDT by Caipirabob (Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: SeekAndFind
>>OUR FIRST AMENDMENT RIGHT IS BEING THREATENED BY GAY MARRIAGE.
 
Will teaching biological fact soon be illegal?
 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

42 posted on 05/02/2013 6:26:32 PM PDT by TArcher ("TO SECURE THESE RIGHTS, governments are instituted among men" -- Does that still work?)
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