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Air Force Officer Told to Remove Bible from Desk
Townhall.com ^ | May 3, 2013 | Todd Starnes

Posted on 05/03/2013 9:02:34 AM PDT by Kaslin

An Air Force spokesperson said personnel are not allowed to proselytize but are free to express their personal religious beliefs so long as it “does not make others uncomfortable.” But a critic pointed out an Air Force officer was told to remove a Bible that was on his desk.

“When on duty or in an official capacity, Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable,” Lt. Col. Laurel Tingley said in a statement to Fox News. “Proselytizing (inducing someone to convert to one’s faith) goes over that line.”

Tingley said Air Force leaders “must avoid the actual or apparent use of their position to promote their personal religious beliefs to their subordinates or to extend preferential treatment for any religion.”

That statement has caused alarm among a number of religious liberty groups – including the Chaplain Alliance for Religious Liberty.

“What does ‘As long as it does not make others uncomfortable’ mean,” executive director Ron Crews asked Fox News.

He said last year an Air Force officer was told he could no longer keep a Bible on his desk because it “may” appear that he was condoning a particular religion.

“Air Force officers must be allowed to live out their faith in a way that is consistent with their faith,” Crews said. “If the Bible is important, then an Air Force officer should be able to have one on his desk.”

Rep. Louie Gohmert (R-TX) also took issue with the Air Force spokesperson’s use of the word ‘uncomfortable.’

“If that is the standard, then Christianity will be over because there will always be somebody who is uncomfortable no matter what someone’s belief is when it comes to Judeo-Christian beliefs,” he told Fox News. “It appears it is getting more and more difficult to be a Christian and serve in the military.”

Gohmert said it’s a different U.S. military under President Obama.

“Under President Obama’s military you are no longer allowed to share your faith,” he said – noting that the policy is putting Christians in a tough position. “Do you follow President Obama or do you follow God and the teachings of Jesus?”

“That’s pretty tough when your commander in chief puts you on the horn for that dilemma,” he added.

Fox News asked for a clarification on the Air Force policy after the Dept. of Defense backtracked on whether or not they allow religious proselytizing and whether military personnel could be at-risk for court-martialing if they share their faith.

On Monday, the Dept. of Defense released a statement noting that religious proselytization is not permitted within the department.

But earlier today, the Pentagon released a new statement noting “service members can share their faith (evangelize), but must not force unwanted, intrusive attempts to convert others of any faith or no faith to one’s beliefs (proselytization).”

While religious groups are pleased with the Dept. of Defense clarification – they are troubled by the Air Force position on religion.

Daniel Blomberg, with the Becket Fund, told Fox News he was glad to see the Dept. of Defense issue a clarification, but expressed alarm at the Air Force statement.

“The Air Force spokesman’s statement sounds like the government can ban servicemen and women from talking to one another about their faith,” he said. “And that couldn’t be more wrong. The Air Force must follow the Department of Defense’s example to immediately correct its statement to avoid chilling Airmen and women’s religious liberty.”

Blomberg said the Air Force policy is “unconstitutional and wrong.”

“Our brave fighting men and women should not be reduced to whispering fearfully about their faith by their own government,” he said.

Crews said mandating an Air Force officer not extend preferential treatment from one religion is absurd.

“If an Air Force officer is a Muslim, I would expect that officer to say prayers, attend services and not go to a Catholic mass,” he said. “That is extending preferential treatment, and rightly so.”


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: 666; airforce; antichrist; bhodod; bible; christians; foxnews; ltcollaureltingley; replouiegohmert; spiritofantichrist; usaf
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1 posted on 05/03/2013 9:02:34 AM PDT by Kaslin
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To: Kaslin

I would be unconfortable with muslim prayer rugs and them sticking their butt in the air 5 times a day

are those banned too?


2 posted on 05/03/2013 9:03:43 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Kaslin

Judgement is coming!! ......


3 posted on 05/03/2013 9:04:16 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Kaslin

If it was a koran they would have told him to keep it there. God will not be mocked!


4 posted on 05/03/2013 9:07:09 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin

5 posted on 05/03/2013 9:08:12 AM PDT by Fido969
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To: mardi59

Sounds like time to submit the ol’ retirement papers. Before he faces court martial.


6 posted on 05/03/2013 9:09:19 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Kaslin
Can't make the homos uncomfortable, but this is perfectly fine:

DADT Disgusting behavior

7 posted on 05/03/2013 9:09:44 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: mardi59

A view of our peaceful Muslim friends who we helped free from persecution from Colonel Gaddafi. This is obviously their way of saying thanks.

WW II - British Military Cemetery in Libya .

Every time a joke and or cartoon is made about the Koran, the whole world turns upside down...!! and we are all called racists!!!!!!!!
However they appear to do whatever they like and no one says anything...and the majority of people remain SILENT.

See this video while it’s available and before it is removed !!!
http://www.youtube.com/embed/RtgbvotqVFE?rel=0


8 posted on 05/03/2013 9:10:33 AM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Kaslin

I’m guessing Christian tattoos will be outlawed.


9 posted on 05/03/2013 9:10:35 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: Kaslin

Lt. Col. Laurel Tingley, eh?


10 posted on 05/03/2013 9:12:06 AM PDT by Resettozero
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To: Kaslin

The absolute worst thing about all this is that when our guys start getting wounded and killed in the next war—not to speak of the steady death rate still in Afghanistan—chaplains will not be permitted to console them or give them last rights.

When that little kid was murdered by the Boston bombers, the Boston Gestapo Police prevented a nearby Priest from approaching and giving him last rites. And, as it happens, the kid was a church-going Catholic.

Mustn’t let the chaplains near wounded or dying troops—not unless they are Muzzies—lest they offend a dying atheist or an obamanoid officer.

Coming soon to the next battlefield.


11 posted on 05/03/2013 9:12:58 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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12 posted on 05/03/2013 9:14:00 AM PDT by onyx (Please Support Free Republic - Donate Monthly! If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, Let Me know!)
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To: Kaslin

Install a godless gay military and when Obama tells them to use live rounds on American citizens, they will.


13 posted on 05/03/2013 9:15:18 AM PDT by donna (Pray for revival.)
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To: Don Corleone

They get away with this thanks to the muslim in the WH. Everyone needs to see that video.

Just let us try to step into a mosque and we would be killed, but these savages can desecrate a cemetery and get away with it. My blood is boiling!


14 posted on 05/03/2013 9:16:44 AM PDT by mardi59 (IMPEACH OBAMA NOW!!!!!)
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To: Kaslin
So, I guess the poem High Flight will no longer be read at Air Force funerals or published in Air Force obituaries?
15 posted on 05/03/2013 9:17:58 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: Kaslin
"Good Luck! And let us all beseech the blessings of Almighty God upon this great and noble undertaking."

-- Gen. Dwight D. Eisenhower, June 5, 1944

Today, one suspects he'd be relieved of command.

16 posted on 05/03/2013 9:24:55 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: andy58-in-nh

“Almighty and most merciful Father, we humbly beseech Thee, of Thy great goodness, to restrain these immoderate rains with which we have had to contend. Grant us fair weather for Battle. Graciously hearken to us as soldiers who call upon Thee that, armed with Thy power, we may advance from victory to victory, and crush the oppression and wickedness of our enemies and establish Thy justice among men and nations.”

I bet today Patton couldn’t have gotten that prayer to be read.


17 posted on 05/03/2013 9:26:07 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Mr. K

***I would be unconfortable with muslim prayer rugs and them sticking their butt in the air 5 times a day***

NOW I know why the homos want in the military! “Achmet, can you squeel like a pig?”


18 posted on 05/03/2013 9:26:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Do we now register our pressure cookers?)
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To: Kaslin
All of this discussion about screwing with the 1st amendment protected rights of Christians is all well and good but what I want to know is this;

Does this new edict apply to Muslims? Will a Muslim officer be told to remove a Koran from his desk? Will Muslims be told to tone it down should they engage in proselytizing?

For some reason, I seriously doubt it.

19 posted on 05/03/2013 9:26:35 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Kaslin

Maybe those who are uncomfortable with the Bible should be paid with something other than greenbacks since they still say in bold letters, “In God We Trust”!


20 posted on 05/03/2013 9:27:34 AM PDT by Parmy
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To: Kaslin
I guess the Sikhs are gonna have to remove their turbans, too, and Jews their yarmulkes

and all those GG civilians better not wear muzzie beards or clothes

and get those buddhas off the desks, too Coz every time I see a symbol of someone’s religion I feel so... proselytized

Waaa!

21 posted on 05/03/2013 9:31:07 AM PDT by silverleaf (Age Takes a Toll: Please Have Exact Change)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
“Achmet, can you squeel like a pig?”


22 posted on 05/03/2013 9:32:24 AM PDT by Bloody Sam Roberts (For me, I plan to die standing as a free man rather than spend one second on my knees as a slave.)
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To: Kaslin

It’s not someone’s Bible, but your SIN that will make you uncomfortable.

Not God making you uncomfortable, but your own SIN.

God is doing all He can (and all Jesus has done) to remove the curse of your SIN from you.

And His offer is the ONLY way.


23 posted on 05/03/2013 9:33:14 AM PDT by Scrambler Bob ( Concerning bo -- that refers to the president. If I capitalize it, I mean the dog.)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar
Islam smells different to everyone not in the first row


24 posted on 05/03/2013 9:35:22 AM PDT by Mr. K (There are lies, damned lies, statistics, and democrat talking points.)
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To: Kaslin
As for me and my house, we will follow the Lord, including my son a U.S. Marine.
25 posted on 05/03/2013 9:37:01 AM PDT by tractorman (I never miss a chance to tweak a liberal.)
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To: zot; Interesting Times

US Air Force leading the way to de-Christianize the US military. And the atheist leading the assualt is Mike Weinstein, a retired USAF LTC. 2 of his children went to the USAF Academy like their father, and also complained whenever Christianity was mentioned at the academy.


26 posted on 05/03/2013 9:37:17 AM PDT by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: Don Corleone

There must have been a humongous outcry to the DoD and branches of the military over this.

Send that FDR proclamation letter to every military person from general to buck private, and government official from senator to intern, and remind them of Who we should honor!

I watched the video.
Did they ever take the cross down?
Last scene is they are trying to sledge hammer the base of it after trying to sledge hammer the cross arms with no success.


27 posted on 05/03/2013 9:39:41 AM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: Kaslin
Courtmarshall this man!!


28 posted on 05/03/2013 9:41:28 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Task 1: Accomplished, Task 2: Hold them Accountable!)
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To: onyx

That NEEDS to be sent to EVERY SINGLE SENATOR, CONGRESSMAN, MILITARY OFFICIAL and zero!


29 posted on 05/03/2013 9:42:10 AM PDT by pollywog ("O Thou who changest not, abide with me.".......)
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To: Kaslin

The policy as stated makes perfect sense. In fact, I think any Christian should avoid sharing his faith in ways that makes others uncomfortable in a setting where they can’t just walk away. For one thing, I think it is counter-productive, and is mainly intended to help the “Christian” feel good about himself, not to help the listener.

That said, I am sure this policy will be taken well past its specific wording and used to delegitimize any expression of (Christian) faith.

Meanwhile, open homosexuals will be encouraged to take open pride in their proclivities. And others will be disciplined for expressing anything other than celebration of diversity.


30 posted on 05/03/2013 9:44:37 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: Mr. K

I’ve had an epiphany. It all makes sense now. Seeing as it was a pedophilic goat lover who created the cult of islam, having men bend over like that five times a day is not surprising.


31 posted on 05/03/2013 9:47:55 AM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier who has survived 24 months of Combat deployment.)
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To: dfwgator
I bet today Patton couldn’t have gotten that prayer to be read.

Probably not. But he'd curse the living **** out of the goddam sonofabitch who tried to stop him.

32 posted on 05/03/2013 9:56:39 AM PDT by andy58-in-nh (Cogito, ergo armatum sum.)
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To: dfwgator

I’d like to see some Pentagon bureaucrat try to stop Patton from reading his prayer.


33 posted on 05/03/2013 10:00:27 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Kaslin; All

The Air Force needs to start quoting the 1st Amendment which it swore to protect and defend, instead of parroting “laws” which anti-religious expression judges have legislated from the bench.


34 posted on 05/03/2013 10:01:50 AM PDT by Amendment10
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To: donna; P-Marlowe
Install a godless gay military and when Obama tells them to use live rounds on American citizens, they will.

BTTT

35 posted on 05/03/2013 10:02:14 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True supporters of our troops pray for their victory!)
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To: Cicero

Why would an atheist take offense at a priest reading last rites while he is dying? According to him, it’s just meaningless words.


36 posted on 05/03/2013 10:03:21 AM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Kaslin
This thread must be shut down since it makes me “uncomfortable”....wait....Ahhh...sorry, it was just a wrinkle in the undies....carry on...no problem.
37 posted on 05/03/2013 10:04:18 AM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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To: Kaslin

Truthfully, I have to agree with the military in this one, because of what I have seen in the past.

It is unfair to focus on just Christian or other religious proselytizing as being forbidden on the job, because a LOT of other things are also forbidden.

For example, icons of things considered racist, like Confederate flags, even if they aren’t, are a big no-no. The same with over political endorsements or attacks. You DO NOT do that during duty hours. I noticed that the Masons are very careful about connecting up during duty hours as well.

I knew one junior officer who got a “gag” plastic Voodoo skull sent to him by a friend of his. Within an hour he was visited by his battalion commander who told him to pack it up and take it home, as it had created great upset among the soldiers of the unit.

Even way back when, calling someone a homosexual slur was expressly forbidden, not because it would offend homosexuals, but because somebody might take it seriously, and go off violently against the target of the slur, thinking he was actually a homosexual.

Likewise, nobody ever was to say anything bad about somebody else’s mother. There is one guy in 10,000 who will go into a blind, homicidal rage if you do that.

But back to Christianity. Not too long ago, one particular sect of Christianity had control over a large part of the Air Force Academy, and became very abusive towards not just those of other, or no religions, but even against Christians of other sects. A whole bunch of people got fired because of that. Big scandal.

I saw a senior chaplain fired because he could not distinguish between military policy and the beliefs of his sect, blending the two when giving a lecture before not just US officers, but foreign officers as well. That came close to turning into an international incident.

There is plenty real discrimination against Christians hither and yon, but nothing I’ve seen of late of what the military is doing is any different in a substantial way.

Yes, feel free to share your faith. DO NOT do so during duty hours. Isn’t that clear enough?


38 posted on 05/03/2013 10:04:18 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy (Best WoT news at rantburg.com)
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To: Kaslin

Does anyone doubt that this is coming down straight from the Oval Office?


39 posted on 05/03/2013 10:05:12 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama's Chechens are coming home...to roost.)
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To: GreyFriar
US Air Force leading the way to de-Christianize the US military. And the atheist leading the assualt is Mike Weinstein, a retired USAF LTC. 2 of his children went to the USAF Academy like their father, and also complained whenever Christianity was mentioned at the academy.

This Administration is anti-Christian. The other Services aren't far behind.

40 posted on 05/03/2013 10:06:08 AM PDT by zot
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To: Kaslin
"Air Force members are free to express their personal religious beliefs as long as it does not make others uncomfortable,"

So if Mikey Weinstein "makes people feel uncomfortable" and insists on his course, he should be discharged, right?

Or is the guy already out?

41 posted on 05/03/2013 10:07:22 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Kaslin

“as long as it does not make others uncomfortable”

Exactly the position Hitler had on “religious freedom”....


42 posted on 05/03/2013 10:13:57 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: Fido969

Regarding how Col. Nidal Hasan, US Army, and al-Qaida terrorist, signed his official correspondence:

“SWT” = “Subhanahu Wa Ta’ala, “Glory be to Allah”

Muslims are expected to use this salutation in their communications.

Has it been banned? Prayer rugs in the office? Koranic sayings in frames on the walls? Pictures of mosques? All these things are very common objects among muslims (I am friends with a number of muslims, this is their decor of choice.

To be consistent, it should all be banned from government offices.


43 posted on 05/03/2013 10:16:11 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Kaslin
Obeying the Commander in Chief is WAY down the list from obeying the Creator of the Universe!
45 posted on 05/03/2013 10:24:48 AM PDT by PATRIOT1876 (The only crimes that are 100% preventable are crimes committed by illegal aliens)
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To: Kaslin

[[An Air Force spokesperson said personnel are not allowed to proselytize but are free to express their personal religious beliefs so long as it “does not make others uncomfortable.”]]

Where i nthe constitution does it say ‘so long as it doesn’t make anyone uncomfortable’?


47 posted on 05/03/2013 10:29:13 AM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Kaslin

Anyone whose sensibilities are so delicate as to be disturbed by the sight of a Bible on an officer’s desk, or even by being engaged in a conversation with a believer, simply does not have sufficient strength of personality to be a competent, contributing member of the Armed Forces in the first place.


48 posted on 05/03/2013 10:32:08 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: yefragetuwrabrumuy
"Not too long ago, one particular sect of Christianity had control over a large part of the Air Force Academy, and became very abusive towards not just those of other, or no religions, but even against Christians of other sects."

I live in Colorado, and am aware of these general allegations of abuse at the Academy, but have found little specifics reported anywhere, other than the complaint that so many people were in Bible Study groups that cadets who did not want to join Bible Study groups felt like "outsiders" ---which is pretty silly. Please specify widespread behaviors that were "abusive."

Mikey Weinstein was very very involved in making and encouraging these "complaints."

49 posted on 05/03/2013 10:37:51 AM PDT by cookcounty
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To: Kaslin

I am uncomfortable about Homosexuals in my barracks, and sodomy is their religion. Can we force them to go back to dont ask dont tell?


50 posted on 05/03/2013 10:50:47 AM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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