Skip to comments.Gun control: Cartridge ID law to take effect (Kalifornia)
Posted on 05/18/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
A hotly contested gun-control law that was passed in 2007 is finally ready to be implemented, Attorney General Kamala Harris said Friday: a requirement that every new semiautomatic handgun contain "micro-stamping" technology that would allow police to trace a weapon from cartridges found at a crime scene.
The law, signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, made California the first state to require micro-stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge. But the legislation specified that it would take effect only when the technology was available and all private patents had expired.
The gun owners' group Calguns Foundation tried to forestall the law at one point by paying a $555 fee in an attempt to extend a patent held by the inventor, who wanted it to lapse. Gun manufacturers said the technology was expensive and ineffective, and a National Rifle Association lawyer has threatened a lawsuit.
But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately.
"The patents have been cleared, which means that this very important technology will help us as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who have illegally used firearms," Harris said.
Attorney Benjamin Van Houten of San Francisco's Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said the announcement should send a message to other states, the Obama administration and the gun industry that "this is the future and it's really critical to helping law enforcement solve gun crimes."
Implementation of micro-stamping "moves California to the forefront of the nation in combatting gun crime," said the law's author, former Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, who attended the news conference and is running for city attorney.
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Will this be required on revolver firing pins as well?
Not a single weapon should be sold to any California government agency ever again. They should be boycotted by all manufacturers.
LEOs are exempt. It is not required on revolvers.
I have changed out ALL of the firing pins on 1911s....not particularly difficult at all. If this were to be implemented I’d buy and unmarked replacement for all my pistols. Even for this crappy pushed in transfer-bar safety firing pins on revolvers they have now. For that matter, even most of the real firing pin revolver pins are replaceable.
This is really a dumbass law.
Not required on revolvers.....gee, wonder why?
I guess that means these LEOs can’t trade in their service weapons at the local gun stores any more....make a dumbass law without thinking of all the implications - idiots.
They are in a race to get rid of guns before the people figure out exactly whom our real enemy has been for the past 50 years.
Agree....they will have to find mine before they can do that.
Revolvers, unlike those evil and dangerous automatic pistols that kill children, do not spew hundreds of spent cartridges per minute.
I guess I should have put a /s on my response.....
I own probably 25 revolvers of different flavors....
I should have too ... But I think we get each other.
LEOs are exempt.
Color me surprised! All animals are equal; some are more equal than others.
Even if mfg’s make CA only micro-stamped guns, who the hell would buy one. It makes no difference that this technology is easy to defeat, criminals in CA don’t usually use guns registered to them. BTW, we do have mandatory handgun registration here.
If true that mfg’s can’t issue new SA handguns in CA, this will have huge consequences.
Keep in mind that this law has nothing to do with crime. It’s sole purpose is to strip our 2A rights.
Every new California gun should be sold with an emergency replacement pin taped to the stock.
I thought it was thousands of rds per minute. At least that’s what I thought they said when addressing “spray” firing. Didiots! Now the bad guys are going to have to spend an extra few minutes policing their brass. Oh wait. They don’t care about the law so I’m kinda doubting they’ll be obtaining weapons with micro stamp technology. Don’t cry for me kalifornia.
Obama Administration to Sign U.N. Arms Trade Treaty “In the Very Near Future”
Posted on May 17, 2013
As we reported last month, on April 2, the United Nations General Assembly voted 153-4 to pass the Arms Trade Treaty, with the United States voting in favor and several countries abstaining. The vote in the General Assembly pushed the treaty process forward after negotiations twice failed to deliver on the goal of developing the treaty by consensus. The Obama Administration is expected to sign the treaty soon after it is opened for signature on June 3.
According to a May 16 Amnesty International article, a senior US diplomat—Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Countryman—has confirmed the U.S. government will be quick to sign the new treaty. According to the article, Countryman said
What I really like are my revolvers that use the moon clips is you can throw all six in your range bag. The only bad thing is de-mooning them later, but I’ve got a good setup for that now.
All that spent brass can be saved and resold. Much much easier than sweeping up the brass you leave at the range.
I think I will collect .38 special brass at the range to scatter randomly around the city just to confuse the police.
Make sure you include some brass microstamped by the personal weapons of police.
Treaties have to be confirmed by two thirds of the Senate. Not going to happen soon.
I meant confuse as to why revolver casings are found scattered about.
Thought this was one of yours...
Maybe because the empties stay in the revolver instead of getting ejected
I meant confuse as to why revolver casings are found scattered about..
Actually, revolver fired cases CAN be dumped/found on the ground. Should the shooter be carrying a “speed loader” which is used to quickly re-arm a weapon. The shooter can open the revolver, quickly dump the fired cases and then, using the speed loader, quickly re-arm the weapon, close it and and begin firing again. I carried speed loaders myself.
The problem lies more with law-enforcement specialty vendors who sell to multiple states. Barrett could only refuse to do repair work for California; they could get his rifles through middlemen.
I’m so glad I got the hell out of Mexikalifornistan.
Pass a law that you must eject the spent cartridges before leaving the crime scene.
Exempt, just as they are exempt from only purchasing guns on the Kalifornia "approved" list, and exempt from the 10 round magazine limit.
“Treaties have to be confirmed by two thirds of the Senate. Not going to happen soon.”
2/3 of the senators “present”. Expect Ried to have a midnignt unannounced gathering of select senators to vote on this. Noone opposed will know about the vote untill it is too late for America.
“0” will just happen to walk in and be able to sign the bill at 12:15 AM, while amerika sleeps.
police your brass
Sure, trace the weapon from the cartridge.......until you change the barrel or use a revolver. But, hey........it feeeeeeeeeeeeeels good.
Too bad those people aren’t gun owners and only care about free phones and food stamps.
This deserves repeating...
What part of the brass gets micro stamped?
Sounds like an incentive to use revolvers, to use brass catchers, or to file the number off the firing pin. It has no law enforcement value, just a frivolous tax to make firearms more expensive.
Firing pin imprints code on primer face.
It is frivolous and it’s harassment. There are so many ways to defeat it. I suppose it’s illegal to have a new pistol with the firing pin replaced unless you have a receipt from a gunsmith showing replacement for a broken one.
Hey, so ALL of the semi-auto inventory, currently in CA is now available to the rest of the country?
Well....except D.C., Chicago, NYC, and other communist enclaves....
Please search youtube for Jerry Miculek before making such astounding claims. /s
“If this were to be implemented Id buy and unmarked replacement for all my pistols”
You underestimate the creativity of bureaucrats when it comes to control.
“We have the right to inspect your pistols to ensure the mark matches the one on the card we issue you, to be renewed annually, for a significant fee, because you can’t put a price on safety. If they don’t match when we check we immediately confiscate your weapon, and charge you a felony, and because you are now charged with a felony, we’ll confiscate the rest of your weapons. We reserve the right to spot check any time. We’ll even make it convenient for you and come to your house to do it.”
Once he signs it all gov’t agencies will treat it as ratified. It will be effectively law.
The ones they have a record of, possibly. Those others not recorded via 4473s are another story. Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.
“Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.”
Elections are another thing bureaucrats really don’t care about.
“The ones they have a record of, possibly.”
Hello Mr. Gaffer, we have you on video checking the price of .45 ammunition at the local Wal-Mart. We don’t seem to have a record of you owning any .45 caliber handguns, so you don’t mind if we come in and look around do you? You do? What have you got to hide? This is for public safety, we were just being polite by asking, please step aside.
Again, hypothetical, but technically, this is all part of the capability of the surveillance state if they simply tie systems together and exploit the data.
Microstamping is the cousin to “Ballistic Fingerprinting” - remember that unworkable chimera?
I have a better idea - make the tire companies put the automobile’s Vehicle Identification Number on every tire so the crime scene treads can be traced - same logic.
Actually, what is at work here is “If we can’t ban ‘em, let’s make it so expensive to sell ‘em here, it will work out the same.”
How does that help law enforcement finding a criminal wielding a stolen firearm? Answer it doesn’t
It’s all posturing BS by the phony baloney left!
Why do people say it won’t work on revolvers?
Exactly my thoughts. How easy is it to pick up brass at the range and keep around for future use? Geez, the defense attnys were just handed all kinds of reasonable doubt.