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Gun control: Cartridge ID law to take effect (Kalifornia)
SFGate ^ | May 17, 2013 | Bob Egelko

Posted on 05/18/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by Second Amendment First

A hotly contested gun-control law that was passed in 2007 is finally ready to be implemented, Attorney General Kamala Harris said Friday: a requirement that every new semiautomatic handgun contain "micro-stamping" technology that would allow police to trace a weapon from cartridges found at a crime scene.

The law, signed by then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger, made California the first state to require micro-stamping, which engraves the gun's serial number on each cartridge. But the legislation specified that it would take effect only when the technology was available and all private patents had expired.

The gun owners' group Calguns Foundation tried to forestall the law at one point by paying a $555 fee in an attempt to extend a patent held by the inventor, who wanted it to lapse. Gun manufacturers said the technology was expensive and ineffective, and a National Rifle Association lawyer has threatened a lawsuit.

But at a Los Angeles news conference Friday, Harris announced that micro-stamping had cleared all technological and patenting hurdles and would be required on newly sold semiautomatics, effective immediately.

"The patents have been cleared, which means that this very important technology will help us as law enforcement in identifying and locating people who have illegally used firearms," Harris said.

Attorney Benjamin Van Houten of San Francisco's Law Center to Prevent Gun Violence said the announcement should send a message to other states, the Obama administration and the gun industry that "this is the future and it's really critical to helping law enforcement solve gun crimes."

Implementation of micro-stamping "moves California to the forefront of the nation in combatting gun crime," said the law's author, former Assemblyman Mike Feuer, D-Los Angeles, who attended the news conference and is running for city attorney.

(Excerpt) Read more at sfgate.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; secondamendment
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If no manufacturers are making these, where will the cops buy their new pistols? Or are they exempt?

Will this be required on revolver firing pins as well?

1 posted on 05/18/2013 5:43:40 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Not a single weapon should be sold to any California government agency ever again. They should be boycotted by all manufacturers.


2 posted on 05/18/2013 5:49:26 AM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Second Amendment First
If no manufacturers are making these, where will the cops buy their new pistols? Or are they exempt? Will this be required on revolver firing pins as well?

LEOs are exempt. It is not required on revolvers.

3 posted on 05/18/2013 5:49:38 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: Second Amendment First

I have changed out ALL of the firing pins on 1911s....not particularly difficult at all. If this were to be implemented I’d buy and unmarked replacement for all my pistols. Even for this crappy pushed in transfer-bar safety firing pins on revolvers they have now. For that matter, even most of the real firing pin revolver pins are replaceable.

This is really a dumbass law.


4 posted on 05/18/2013 5:50:19 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ConservativeInPA

Not required on revolvers.....gee, wonder why?


5 posted on 05/18/2013 5:51:04 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ConservativeInPA

I guess that means these LEOs can’t trade in their service weapons at the local gun stores any more....make a dumbass law without thinking of all the implications - idiots.


6 posted on 05/18/2013 5:52:09 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

They are in a race to get rid of guns before the people figure out exactly whom our real enemy has been for the past 50 years.


7 posted on 05/18/2013 5:52:56 AM PDT by Mouton (108th MI Group.....68-71)
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To: Mouton

Agree....they will have to find mine before they can do that.


8 posted on 05/18/2013 5:54:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer
Not required on revolvers.....gee, wonder why?

Revolvers, unlike those evil and dangerous automatic pistols that kill children, do not spew hundreds of spent cartridges per minute.

9 posted on 05/18/2013 5:54:32 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I guess I should have put a /s on my response.....

I own probably 25 revolvers of different flavors....


10 posted on 05/18/2013 5:55:54 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

I should have too ... But I think we get each other.


11 posted on 05/18/2013 5:57:06 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: ConservativeInPA

LEOs are exempt.

Color me surprised! All animals are equal; some are more equal than others.


12 posted on 05/18/2013 5:58:03 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Even if mfg’s make CA only micro-stamped guns, who the hell would buy one. It makes no difference that this technology is easy to defeat, criminals in CA don’t usually use guns registered to them. BTW, we do have mandatory handgun registration here.

If true that mfg’s can’t issue new SA handguns in CA, this will have huge consequences.

Keep in mind that this law has nothing to do with crime. It’s sole purpose is to strip our 2A rights.


13 posted on 05/18/2013 5:58:15 AM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: Second Amendment First

Every new California gun should be sold with an emergency replacement pin taped to the stock.


14 posted on 05/18/2013 5:59:01 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 .....History is a process, not an event)
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To: ConservativeInPA

I thought it was thousands of rds per minute. At least that’s what I thought they said when addressing “spray” firing. Didiots! Now the bad guys are going to have to spend an extra few minutes policing their brass. Oh wait. They don’t care about the law so I’m kinda doubting they’ll be obtaining weapons with micro stamp technology. Don’t cry for me kalifornia.


15 posted on 05/18/2013 6:00:14 AM PDT by rktman (BACKGROUND CHECKS? YOU FIRST mr. president(not that we'd get the truth!))
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To: Second Amendment First

Obama Administration to Sign U.N. Arms Trade Treaty “In the Very Near Future”

Posted on May 17, 2013

As we reported last month, on April 2, the United Nations General Assembly voted 153-4 to pass the Arms Trade Treaty, with the United States voting in favor and several countries abstaining. The vote in the General Assembly pushed the treaty process forward after negotiations twice failed to deliver on the goal of developing the treaty by consensus. The Obama Administration is expected to sign the treaty soon after it is opened for signature on June 3.

According to a May 16 Amnesty International article, a senior US diplomat—Assistant Secretary of State Thomas Countryman—has confirmed the U.S. government will be quick to sign the new treaty. According to the article, Countryman said

http://www.nraila.org/news-issues/articles/2013/4/obama-administration-to-sign-un-arms-trade-treaty-in-the-very-near-future.aspx


16 posted on 05/18/2013 6:00:51 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: ConservativeInPA

What I really like are my revolvers that use the moon clips is you can throw all six in your range bag. The only bad thing is de-mooning them later, but I’ve got a good setup for that now.

All that spent brass can be saved and resold. Much much easier than sweeping up the brass you leave at the range.


17 posted on 05/18/2013 6:01:07 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: ConservativeInPA

I think I will collect .38 special brass at the range to scatter randomly around the city just to confuse the police.


18 posted on 05/18/2013 6:01:55 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First
I think I will collect .38 special brass at the range to scatter randomly around the city just to confuse the police.

Make sure you include some brass microstamped by the personal weapons of police.

19 posted on 05/18/2013 6:05:30 AM PDT by ConservativeInPA (Molon Labe - Shall not be questioned)
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To: KeyLargo

Treaties have to be confirmed by two thirds of the Senate. Not going to happen soon.


20 posted on 05/18/2013 6:06:16 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: ConservativeInPA

I meant confuse as to why revolver casings are found scattered about.


21 posted on 05/18/2013 6:08:18 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: John Semmens

Thought this was one of yours...


22 posted on 05/18/2013 6:08:49 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Gaffer

Maybe because the empties stay in the revolver instead of getting ejected


23 posted on 05/18/2013 6:10:06 AM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

To: ConservativeInPA
I meant confuse as to why revolver casings are found scattered about..

Actually, revolver fired cases CAN be dumped/found on the ground. Should the shooter be carrying a “speed loader” which is used to quickly re-arm a weapon. The shooter can open the revolver, quickly dump the fired cases and then, using the speed loader, quickly re-arm the weapon, close it and and begin firing again. I carried speed loaders myself.


24 posted on 05/18/2013 6:28:28 AM PDT by DaveA37 (I'm for HONEST government)
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To: varyouga

Bingo.


25 posted on 05/18/2013 6:36:12 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: headstamp 2
Not a single weapon should be sold to any California government agency ever again. They should be boycotted by all manufacturers.

The problem lies more with law-enforcement specialty vendors who sell to multiple states. Barrett could only refuse to do repair work for California; they could get his rifles through middlemen.

26 posted on 05/18/2013 6:40:24 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: Second Amendment First; Joe Brower; Myrddin

I’m so glad I got the hell out of Mexikalifornistan.


27 posted on 05/18/2013 6:44:06 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: ConservativeInPA

Pass a law that you must eject the spent cartridges before leaving the crime scene.


28 posted on 05/18/2013 6:44:29 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Second Amendment First
If no manufacturers are making these, where will the cops buy their new pistols? Or are they exempt?

Exempt, just as they are exempt from only purchasing guns on the Kalifornia "approved" list, and exempt from the 10 round magazine limit.

29 posted on 05/18/2013 6:49:37 AM PDT by Yo-Yo
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To: Second Amendment First


30 posted on 05/18/2013 6:49:43 AM PDT by Iron Munro (Obama-Ville - Land of The Freebies, Home of the Enslaved)
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“Treaties have to be confirmed by two thirds of the Senate. Not going to happen soon.”

2/3 of the senators “present”. Expect Ried to have a midnignt unannounced gathering of select senators to vote on this. Noone opposed will know about the vote untill it is too late for America.

“0” will just happen to walk in and be able to sign the bill at 12:15 AM, while amerika sleeps.


31 posted on 05/18/2013 6:59:56 AM PDT by Big Mack (I didn't claw my way to the top of the food chain to eat VEGETABLES!)
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police your brass


32 posted on 05/18/2013 7:01:07 AM PDT by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro can't pass E-verify)
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To: Second Amendment First

Sure, trace the weapon from the cartridge.......until you change the barrel or use a revolver. But, hey........it feeeeeeeeeeeeeels good.


33 posted on 05/18/2013 7:15:07 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Mouton

Too bad those people aren’t gun owners and only care about free phones and food stamps.


34 posted on 05/18/2013 7:16:29 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: Big Mack
2/3 of the senators “present”. Expect Ried to have a midnignt unannounced gathering of select senators to vote on this. Noone opposed will know about the vote untill it is too late for America.

This deserves repeating...

35 posted on 05/18/2013 7:40:05 AM PDT by Gritty (The Constitution's purpose is to insulate personal freedom from a lust for power-Judge A. Napolitano)
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To: Second Amendment First

What part of the brass gets micro stamped?


36 posted on 05/18/2013 7:42:24 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Second Amendment First

Sounds like an incentive to use revolvers, to use brass catchers, or to file the number off the firing pin. It has no law enforcement value, just a frivolous tax to make firearms more expensive.


37 posted on 05/18/2013 7:50:00 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: stuartcr

Firing pin imprints code on primer face.


38 posted on 05/18/2013 7:53:35 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Pollster1

It is frivolous and it’s harassment. There are so many ways to defeat it. I suppose it’s illegal to have a new pistol with the firing pin replaced unless you have a receipt from a gunsmith showing replacement for a broken one.


39 posted on 05/18/2013 7:56:46 AM PDT by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Buy revolvers.


40 posted on 05/18/2013 7:58:21 AM PDT by PAR35
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Hey, so ALL of the semi-auto inventory, currently in CA is now available to the rest of the country?

Well....except D.C., Chicago, NYC, and other communist enclaves....


41 posted on 05/18/2013 8:03:31 AM PDT by G Larry (Darkness Hates the Light)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Revolvers, unlike those evil and dangerous automatic pistols that kill children, do not spew hundreds of spent cartridges per minute.

Please search youtube for Jerry Miculek before making such astounding claims. /s

42 posted on 05/18/2013 8:07:21 AM PDT by eartrumpet
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“If this were to be implemented I’d buy and unmarked replacement for all my pistols”

You underestimate the creativity of bureaucrats when it comes to control.

“We have the right to inspect your pistols to ensure the mark matches the one on the card we issue you, to be renewed annually, for a significant fee, because you can’t put a price on safety. If they don’t match when we check we immediately confiscate your weapon, and charge you a felony, and because you are now charged with a felony, we’ll confiscate the rest of your weapons. We reserve the right to spot check any time. We’ll even make it convenient for you and come to your house to do it.”


43 posted on 05/18/2013 8:11:55 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Second Amendment First

Once he signs it all gov’t agencies will treat it as ratified. It will be effectively law.


44 posted on 05/18/2013 8:12:49 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin (President Obma; The Slumlord of the Rentseekers)
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To: RFEngineer

The ones they have a record of, possibly. Those others not recorded via 4473s are another story. Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.


45 posted on 05/18/2013 8:17:28 AM PDT by Gaffer
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“Aside from that, any politician in Georgia who tries to pull that crap is a goner come next election day.”

Elections are another thing bureaucrats really don’t care about.

“The ones they have a record of, possibly.”

Hello Mr. Gaffer, we have you on video checking the price of .45 ammunition at the local Wal-Mart. We don’t seem to have a record of you owning any .45 caliber handguns, so you don’t mind if we come in and look around do you? You do? What have you got to hide? This is for public safety, we were just being polite by asking, please step aside.

Again, hypothetical, but technically, this is all part of the capability of the surveillance state if they simply tie systems together and exploit the data.


46 posted on 05/18/2013 8:28:23 AM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: Second Amendment First

Microstamping is the cousin to “Ballistic Fingerprinting” - remember that unworkable chimera?

I have a better idea - make the tire companies put the automobile’s Vehicle Identification Number on every tire so the crime scene treads can be traced - same logic.

Actually, what is at work here is “If we can’t ban ‘em, let’s make it so expensive to sell ‘em here, it will work out the same.”


47 posted on 05/18/2013 8:35:10 AM PDT by Oatka (This is America. Assimilate or evaporate.)
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To: Second Amendment First

How does that help law enforcement finding a criminal wielding a stolen firearm? Answer it doesn’t

It’s all posturing BS by the phony baloney left!


48 posted on 05/18/2013 8:48:09 AM PDT by Forty-Niner (A Strong Man Armed who guards his home, lives in peace.)
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To: Second Amendment First

Why do people say it won’t work on revolvers?


49 posted on 05/18/2013 9:32:07 AM PDT by stuartcr ("I have habits that are older than the people telling me they're bad for me.")
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To: Second Amendment First

Exactly my thoughts. How easy is it to pick up brass at the range and keep around for future use? Geez, the defense attnys were just handed all kinds of reasonable doubt.


50 posted on 05/18/2013 9:32:19 AM PDT by ScottinSacto
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