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Confidential report lists U.S. weapons system designs compromised by Chinese cyberspies
Washington Post ^ | May 27, 2013 | By Ellen Nakashima

Posted on 05/27/2013 8:19:32 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee

Designs for many of the nation’s most sensitive advanced weapons systems have been compromised by Chinese hackers, according to a report prepared for the Pentagon and to officials from government and the defense industry.

Among more than two dozen major weapons systems whose designs were breached were programs critical to U.S. missile defenses and combat aircraft and ships, according to a previously undisclosed section of a confidential report prepared for Pentagon leaders by the Defense Science Board.

Experts warn that the electronic intrusions gave China access to advanced technology that could accelerate the development of its weapons systems and weaken the U.S. military advantage in a future conflict.

The Defense Science Board, a senior advisory group made up of government and civilian experts, did not accuse the Chinese of stealing the designs. But senior military and industry officials with knowledge of the breaches said the vast majority were part of a widening Chinese campaign of espionage against U.S. defense contractors and government agencies.

The significance and extent of the targets help explain why the Obama administration has escalated its warnings to the Chinese government to stop what Washington sees as rampant cyber­theft. . .

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: algore; bho44; bhoasia; billclinton; china; chinacybercrime; chinacyberespionage; chinacyberspies; chinaespionage; espionage; military; militaryweapons; nationalinsecurity; nationalsecurity; nationalsecurityfail; obama; redchina
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1 posted on 05/27/2013 8:19:32 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It’s time this National nightmare ends with a lifetime prison sentence for Barry.


2 posted on 05/27/2013 8:27:51 PM PDT by Kahuna
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I recall similar reports concerning subs.


3 posted on 05/27/2013 8:31:13 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Kahuna

I just posted the list of weapon system designs on FRONT PAGE.


4 posted on 05/27/2013 8:33:52 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Idiots all for allowing access to this information on the Internet in the first place. Keep sensitive information off the Internet, period. Having sensitive information on computers that are connected to the Internet is absolutely stupid, IMO.


5 posted on 05/27/2013 8:34:54 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

I’d like to see an assessment on how well the Chinese are doing compared to the KGB during its heyday. It would be somewhat amusing if we were deliberately feeding them crap, causing planes to fall out of the sky, nuclear meltdowns, train collisions and so on.


6 posted on 05/27/2013 8:37:57 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei

It is not fair to compare the success of the Chinese with the KGB.

At their peak, the KGB did not have access to AG Holder’s DOJ records.


7 posted on 05/27/2013 8:42:58 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

It looks like the cyber warfare training given in all five US service academies has not paid for itself.

And the lesson from this course is?... Failure.


8 posted on 05/27/2013 10:02:11 PM PDT by onedoug
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Clinton /Gore gave them more!

Cox Report at House Gov. Before Clinton china couldn't hit Taiwan with a missile. Now they can target a specific block in LA with nukes of our design.

All rats hate America.

9 posted on 05/28/2013 12:58:41 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
What do you suppose the odds are that The Washington Post will have its phone lines, its reporters' phone lines, its reporters' relatives' phone lines traced and tapped as a result of this article?


10 posted on 05/28/2013 3:10:52 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: nathanbedford
[What do you suppose the odds are that The Washington Post will have its phone lines, its reporters’ phone lines, its reporters’ relatives’ phone lines traced and tapped as a result of this article?]

The FOX News case goes back to 2009, the AP case goes back a year. Holder did everything he could to keep FOX and AP in the dark about these “investigations.” Holder apparently believed he could suppress the FOX News subpoena documents indefinitely or he wouldn't have perjured himself in front of Congress ten days ago answering questions about the AP case. And I think he thought until this month he could keep the AP documents sealed by repeatedly going back to the judge and citing national security.

They used these espionage cases as an excuse to go through phone and email records to identify confidential sources working in the government leaking to the media a variety of information—sometimes unfavorable to the administration. I think Obama was obsessed with finding out who, if anyone, in the White House was talking to FOX. He hates FOX so at the earliest opportunity the DOJ acted.

So, in time we might find out that the DOJ has already snooped through the phone records of the Post and every other news outfit in D.C. And whatever the DOJ does under the cover of the law there are private entities connected to the DNC, the leftist super-PAC’s and big labor with the resources to snoop, smear and intimidate outside the law.

11 posted on 05/28/2013 4:59:24 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Pox
Keep sensitive information off the Internet, period. Having sensitive information on computers that are connected to the Internet is absolutely stupid, IMO.

Or totally brilliant. What they are hopefully doing is keeping the true designs off the internet and letting the Chinese hack are things full of backdoors, poison pills, massive malware, virus and Trojan farms.

You have to remember that what the Chinese are getting if they are getting anything worthwhile are prototype designs. Full production models are a different animal. Even the developers don't know what the final product will look like until years of testing take place. This whole report smacks of kabuki theater if you ask me.

12 posted on 05/28/2013 5:00:34 AM PDT by Tonytitan
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To: nathanbedford

Nah, but you CAN bet that this story was endorsed by the WH


13 posted on 05/28/2013 5:01:27 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: Brad from Tennessee

That’s what makes the Fox scandal worse than the watergate burglaries imho, obama allowed his DOJ to pull “legal burglaries”. There is no way holder did this without approval from the wh.


14 posted on 05/28/2013 5:06:30 AM PDT by orlop9
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To: Brad from Tennessee

Yup. Bill Klinton gave the Reds all our stuff.


15 posted on 05/28/2013 5:06:40 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (1 Cor 15: 50-54 & 1 Thess 4: 13-17. That about covers it.)
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To: Tonytitan
This whole report smacks of kabuki theater if you ask me.

A precept for internet censorship?

Sounds plausible.

16 posted on 05/28/2013 5:33:20 AM PDT by Sir Francis Dashwood ("Arjuna, why have you have dropped your bow???")
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To: Pox

“Idiots all for allowing access to this information on the Internet in the first place.”

Hussein likes to tell us they’re “idiots” rather than conspirators, and would like us to believe the headlines verbatim, but some of us remember the Great Clinton GIVING missile technology to the Chinese and then “justifying” it to us because we weren’t being “fair”.

Hussein will do anything to hurt America.

Why should we ever assume ANYTHING happens the way the headlines present it?


17 posted on 05/28/2013 5:45:42 AM PDT by treetopsandroofs (Had FDR been GOP, there would have been no World Wars, just "The Great War" and "Roosevelt's Wars".)
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To: orlop9

If it wasn’t, then why aren’t they bugging the Wash Post?


18 posted on 05/28/2013 5:48:16 AM PDT by alancarp (Obama will grab your guns and ship them to Mexican drug mobs.)
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To: Kahuna

> It’s time this National nightmare ends with a lifetime prison sentence for Barry.

The punishment for treason is death and Barry is like a cat with 9 lives that has more than enough violations to get the job done. The greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the American people in U.S. history.


19 posted on 05/28/2013 5:59:29 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: treetopsandroofs

We should tell the Chinese the cost of your hacking is 1 Trillion dollars. We don’t owe you squat as of this moment.


20 posted on 05/28/2013 6:04:21 AM PDT by Lets Roll NOW (A baby isn't a punishment, Obama is)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

as much as i despise Barry this has been going on since the 1990’s.


21 posted on 05/28/2013 6:14:33 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen
It may have been worse in the 1990’s if that's possible. See posts 24 and 26.
22 posted on 05/28/2013 6:29:11 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
well at least it's not the north koreans...
24 posted on 05/28/2013 6:53:52 AM PDT by Drawn7979
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Where was the Washington Post when Bill Clinton was giving Bejing-based Primeon our y2k remediation for our military and other govt computers? Where were they when Clinton was neck-deep in Loral money? Ptshh. I have news for them: the NYTimes isn’t the U.S. entity that’s been hacked by the Chinese and Russians.

Everybody wave, smile, and say ‘Hi’ to Xu and Sergei. Then take the blue pill. Trust me on this.


25 posted on 05/28/2013 7:10:31 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Nita Nupress
Correction: "...the NYTimes isn’t the ONLY U.S. entity that’s been hacked by the Chinese and Russians."
26 posted on 05/28/2013 7:22:52 AM PDT by Nita Nupress
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To: Brad from Tennessee

In this area, Obastard is no worse than clinton.


27 posted on 05/28/2013 7:53:31 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

In this area, Obastard is no worse than clinton.


28 posted on 05/28/2013 7:53:32 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
compromised by Chinese hackers...

How did they do this... subscription to the NYT online? Inquiring minds want to know!

29 posted on 05/28/2013 7:55:52 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

of course it was physical theft along with cyber back then.


30 posted on 05/28/2013 7:56:11 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
many of the nation’s most sensitive advanced weapons systems have been compromised by Chinese hackers

Once again, corrupt government leadership, corrupt government.

31 posted on 05/28/2013 7:58:38 AM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: treetopsandroofs

Klinton didn’t GIVE the Chinese anything. But he probably could have gotten more of a BRIBE than he did, the cheap SOB.


32 posted on 05/28/2013 8:36:52 AM PDT by henkster (I have one more cow than my neighbor. I am a kulak.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
There was a story on the BBC News just last night about how the Chinese got a hold of the plans of some very expensive and super secret intelligence complex that the Australians just built...or are still building (can't recall which).

IMO,in addition to the Chinese government employing millions of hackers to probe Western computers there can be no doubt that 99% of the "students","businessmen" and "diplomats" found in advanced,democratic countries (the US.Europe,Japan,etc) are spies.

33 posted on 05/28/2013 8:36:53 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Leno Was Right,They *Are* Undocumented Democrats!)
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To: Pox
>>Idiots all for allowing access to this information on the Internet in the first place,,

Right? Who in sam hell would put this stuff on a server that is accessible to the outside world?

Intranet/Internet......there's a difference.

34 posted on 05/28/2013 8:37:51 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: Gay State Conservative

The Pentagon needs to form a task force of accountants to tally up the dollar value of everything the Chines have stolen from the U.S. government and private sector going back 30 years. Then balance that against the Treasury’s debt to China. China would still end up owing us money.


35 posted on 05/28/2013 8:57:04 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

A Great Idea. Now to see if anyone has gonads.


36 posted on 05/28/2013 9:38:31 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Chinese Hackers Have Stolen Plans For Pretty Much The Entire US Military
37 posted on 05/28/2013 10:26:23 AM PDT by blam
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To: Brad from Tennessee
Brad, thanks for your concern, but seriously, I wouldn't worry about this.

Our diverse military, with its strong LGBT contingents, Affirmative Action promotions, women in combat, and kind and gentle ROE's should be able to handle the CHICOM easily, because as you may know, much of their defense industry is not ecologically sensitive, contributes to Global Warming, and has a Carbon Footprint like you just wouldn't believe.

Plus, Brad, you ignore the strong leadership we have in the WH under Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (AKA II, Barry Soetoro, etc.) This guy is tough, and when he's on vacation, Valerie Jarrett is in charge. She's even tougher. Besides, she is in constant and instant communication with Reggie Love, who always knows where our fearless POTUS is.

You are so covered, Dude!

38 posted on 05/28/2013 11:31:40 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: servantboy777

Even an air gap isn’t foolproof, but it’s a good start.


39 posted on 05/28/2013 11:59:32 AM PDT by gura (If Allah is so great, why does he need fat sexually confused fanboys to do his dirty work? -iowahawk)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

None of this surprises me. Time for America to clean house or watch as the ship of Freedom sinks into the abyss.


40 posted on 05/28/2013 12:32:55 PM PDT by thegrump
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To: Kenny Bunk
[. . .women in combat, and kind and gentle ROE’s should be able to handle the CHICOM easily, because as you may know, much of their defense industry is not ecologically sensitive, contributes to Global Warming, and has a Carbon Footprint like you just wouldn't believe.]

That's not even the worst of it. I read recently that in some rural areas of China, thoughtless peasants hunt, fish and harvest wild fruits, oblivious to the danger they could be preying on any number of critically endangered species.

41 posted on 05/28/2013 3:57:26 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Zhang Fei

While I would like to think that our counter-intelligence people would plant sleeper programs in the stuff that the Red Chinese are stealing, I just don’t think that our military leadership, and certainly not our political leadership, is smart enough to do it, or don’t have the balls to do it.

The communists have a goal, world domination (direct and indirect influence/power). They have a plan for it, and always have.

We have Obama, Holder, Clapper, Brennan, Biden and Dempsey.

In other words, we are up Shit’s Creek with the paddle shoved up our butt.

We got a major preview of the Red Chinese espionage and influence-buying offensive during the Clinton administration, but did we learn anything? Nope, and Al Gore got fat on Red Chinese money, as did the Democrat Party.

About the same time as the Democrats and the Clintons were getting millions from the Mafia, esp. their controlled Laborers International Union of North America.

And the corruption continues unabated and unchallenged. WHY?????


42 posted on 05/28/2013 5:45:04 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Brad from Tennessee
thoughtless peasants hunt, fish and harvest wild fruits....*

Your findings have been reported to the IRS, OSHA (because I am sure they do not wear appropriate PPE), PETA, and Al Gore.

* What, have they no cake?
Michelle Robinson Obama

43 posted on 05/28/2013 7:52:24 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Kenny Bunk

I don’t know any Maine jokes but I know a Vermont joke which you have probably heard.

A partially deaf man was in the habit of
attending town meetings, auctions and such with
a neighbor would yell a running narrative of the
proceedings into the man’s ear. One afternoon at
a political rally a man running for state office
rose to the podium and launched into a speech.
The speaker went on for several minutes before
the man nudged his neighbor and asked, “What’s he
saying?” The neighbor gave a shrug then yelled
in the man’s ear: “He don’t say!”


44 posted on 05/28/2013 8:50:49 PM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

BTTT!


45 posted on 05/28/2013 9:12:05 PM PDT by neverdem (Register pressure cookers! /s)
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To: Brad from Tennessee

China makes a lot of the parts for these systems already. We know they have put extra devices in some of the guidance chips.

We will not have a war with China, because we can’t afford to.


46 posted on 05/29/2013 3:55:29 AM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
.....a Vermont joke.....

No such thing.

47 posted on 05/29/2013 6:41:12 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: Brad from Tennessee
....Vermont Joke .... no such thing....

I feel I owe you an explanation. Vermont has the same relationship with Maine as Boston has with Connecticut.

In Boston they eats lots of beans. In Connecticut they live on the Sound.

48 posted on 05/29/2013 6:43:27 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ("Obama" The Movie. Introducing Reggie Love as "Monica." .)
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To: redgolum
[China makes a lot of the parts for these systems already. We know they have put extra devices in some of the guidance chips. . .We will not have a war with China, because we can’t afford to.]

I'm not surprised. This may be reciprocal and serve as a fail-safe. The U.S. is as deeply embedded or more in China's defense infrastructure, particularly on the R&D end. When Nixon went to China he wasn't just visiting the Great Wall and kissing babies. Something profound happened between Nixon and Mao that goes on today.

I knew an individual, an aeronautical engineer, who was working in China on their missile program in the early 1970’s. He said he worked mostly in a complex at the bottom of a deep gorge. The gorge offered protection from Soviet missiles because of the limits of their ballistic trajectories. He said at that time the Chinese believed an overt strike against their missile and nuclear weapons program by the Soviets was imminent. Later on I read where H.R. Haldeman said the Russians approached the State Department asking the U.S. to sign off on surgical strikes against these programs but Nixon said no.

The conflict between the U.S. and USSR evolved a balancing mechanism which was mutually assured destruction. Beginning with Nixon and Kissinger the formula for developing the balance with China evolved into a symbiotic relationship whose highlight might have been Clinton signing the treaty giving China Most Favored Nation trade status. It's not possible to put any of this on a bumper sticker.

49 posted on 05/29/2013 8:21:45 AM PDT by Brad from Tennessee (A politician can't give you anything he hasn't first stolen from you.)
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To: Pox
"Idiots all for allowing access to this information on the Internet in the first place. Keep sensitive information off the Internet, period. Having sensitive information on computers that are connected to the Internet is absolutely stupid, IMO."

I agree.

50 posted on 05/29/2013 9:14:37 AM PDT by DannyTN
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