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U.S. oil boom divides OPEC
Marketwatch ^ | May 28, 2013, 7:06 a.m. EDT | By Benoit Faucon, Sarah Kent and Hassan Hafidh

Posted on 05/28/2013 11:00:19 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach

LONDON (MarketWatch) — Rising American output of shale oil is rewriting global trade patterns and deepening fault lines within the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries, limiting its ability to mount a collective response. A crucial OPEC meeting in Vienna on Friday will mark the first stage of a debate on shale’s oil’s impact.

The meeting is unlikely to lead to a change in production levels, several OPEC delegates said — but inaction would set the stage for a future showdown. “We are heading toward some problems,” a delegate from a Persian Gulf OPEC member said.

Oil output from the U.S. and Canada is set to rise about 21% from this year to 2018, according to data from the International Energy Agency, largely a result of growing production from fracking and other technologies that access once-inaccessible reserves.

African OPEC members such as Algeria and Nigeria — which produce oil of similar grade to shale oil — are suffering the worst effects from the North American oil boom; Nigeria oil minister Diezani Alison-Madueke deemed U.S. shale oil a “grave concern.”

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Canada; Foreign Affairs; Israel; Mexico; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: algeria; canada; energy; israel; mexico; nigeria; oil; opec; russia
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To: SeminoleCounty; SierraWasp
I think the goings -on in Syria have caused a big War Premium in crude also.

McCain was in Syria for a few hours yesterday,...and the Euros are lifting the weapons embargo for the rebels....and the a Senate committee has voted funds for the Sunni rebels in Syria.

Russia said OK we are sending more S-300 missiles to Assad.

21 posted on 05/28/2013 12:29:05 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (Just who is McCain visiting with?)
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To: Comrade Brother Abu Bubba

How high will oil go, Comrade Bubba?!


22 posted on 05/28/2013 12:29:56 PM PDT by Southack (Media Bias means that Castro won't be punished for Cuban war crimes against Black Angolans in Africa)
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To: woodbutcher1963
What oil(forgetting transportation cost to refinery and the danger to life and limb of getting it from its source)is worth the most?

Keep in mind, the transportation cost, and lack of sufficient transportation capacity greatly effects the price of oil at location. The exact same oil today, at different locations can vary in price by over $20. light sweet crude

In general, that is the most desired. But light can become so light that it losses value. In general, something approaching near gasoline tends to be the most valuable. But if it is so light it is mostly butane, it will not bring top dollar.

Is Quaker State, ie Penn St crude oil still the best?

I don't know that was ever true outside of commercials.

US mars - Shell's production from Ursa, Mensa and Mars offshore platforms commingles with Amberkjack pipeline volumes to create MARS BLEND crude in the caverns at Loop. It is a large enough volume to get traded as a commodity. All of these are contract agreements that not only determine quality, but also location of delivery. Adders/discounts to prices tend to be standard for known quality changes and/or different delivery locations. Mars is 30.3° API gravity and 1.91% sulfur delivered to the Loop. (Louisiana Offshore Oil Port)

LLS - Louisiana Light Sweet is 35.6° (lighter than Mars) and 0.37% sulfur (sweeter than Mars) delivered to St James, Louisiana (also gulf coast)

US-WTI is the price you normally hear quoted, when the news generically talks about the price of oil. It is West Texas Intermediate, 39.6° (lighter than LLS) and 0.24% sulfur (slightly sweeter than LLS) delivered to Cushing, OK. This location has become bottle-necked due to the shale oil production, too much coming into one location. It has created a discount in the WTI price even while the demand for it has climbed, because the supply has climbed faster.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_crude_oil_products

23 posted on 05/28/2013 12:32:34 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

So what comes out of the northern Alberta sands?

Also, what comes out of the Balken, ND & MT?


24 posted on 05/28/2013 12:48:44 PM PDT by woodbutcher1963
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To: woodbutcher1963

Keep in mind, you can get far different qualities of oil from the same surface location but different fields at different depth below ground. There is no set rule all are the same in an area. The fields are from sediment 10s of millions of years apart. Far different conditions exist in these time periods and produce different oils. Also the “cooking” time tends to be less in shallower fields resulting in heavier oils from nearer time periods.

The oil sands are “young” or more exactly “less thermally mature”, ie less cooking has been done. They technically don’t produce oil but rather Bitumen. Very heavy but also with a lot of BTU’s per barrel. It can be cooked or processed (thermally cracked) to produce lighter more valuable hydrocarbons more suited for transportation fuel. Some of this is done on or near site with an upgrader, producing a synthetic crude, or it is diluted with something like Naptha or Natural Gas Liquids (butane, propane) to get in thin enough to pump to a refinery, where they do the same cracking.

The Bakken shale play produces Light Sweet Crude, 41° (very light without being too light) and 0.2% sulfur (very sweet). Their problem is the pipeline bottlenecks, including to Cushing, OK. Today more of the Bakken oils moves out of state by rail than by pipeline.


25 posted on 05/28/2013 1:00:37 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney; Ernest_at_the_Beach

It was due to the high parafin content in PA oil, right? That’s what I always heard.


26 posted on 05/28/2013 1:00:59 PM PDT by SierraWasp ("Bitter Ender," "Bitter Clinger," Yes on both. COUNT ME IN!!! I love God and guns, but not gays!!!)
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To: woodbutcher1963

I should have said, the Alberta oil sands produces Athabascan Bitumen. It is 7.7~9.0° API. 10° is water density so this stuff is so heavy it sinks, not floats in water. The sulfur also tends to be high, 4.4~5.4% sulfur.

http://www.etc-cte.ec.gc.ca/databases/Oilproperties/pdf/WEB_Athabasca_Bitumen.pdf

Some locations will have different values but Alberta sands tends to be quite thick and sour.

Over 450 different oils listed at:
http://www.etc-cte.ec.gc.ca/databases/Oilproperties/


27 posted on 05/28/2013 1:06:03 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: SierraWasp

So says Wikipedia:

Pennsylvania grade crude oil is thermally stable and has a high viscosity index. It is generally free of asphalt and has only trace amounts of sulfur and nitrogen. It is also high in paraffin and other waxes making it highly desirable for refinement into petroleum lubricants such as motor oil. Its products are also valuable for use in certain hydraulic applications. By-products are commonly found in consumer goods such as cosmetics, and topical ointments.

But since they don’t site sources, I’m not sure this more than gossip, possible just stuff from commercials.


28 posted on 05/28/2013 1:10:15 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Tenacious 1
$45 to $50 barrel is my guess too. $50 per barrel is not feasible for fracking so this number most likely to settle. Easy to forget avg oil price history is 30 per barrel.
29 posted on 05/28/2013 1:18:56 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
McCain was in Syria for a few hours yesterday,...and the Euros are lifting the weapons embargo for the rebels....and the a Senate committee has voted funds for the Sunni rebels in Syria.

Senator McCain has nevere seen a war that we shouldn't be involved in. Usually, on the wrong side...

30 posted on 05/28/2013 1:24:38 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE --)
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To: thackney
"Today more of the Bakken oils moves out of state by rail than by pipeline".

Courtesy of Buffet. My guess the TransCanada will be delayed for sometime because of the Buffet/Obama connection.

31 posted on 05/28/2013 1:25:59 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: Captain PJ

Because the old mighty buck isn’t worth a buck anymore.
..........
Yeah but with rising US oil production—the dollar is rising —which puts downward pressure on oil and gold.


32 posted on 05/28/2013 3:24:51 PM PDT by ckilmer
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To: central_va
Why is oil 95 bucks a bbl then?

Because the currency you're using to buy oil has only 40% of the purchasing power it did in 1981. The price is set on a world market, and exporters increase the per barrel price as necessary to maintain the purchasing power of the emaciated, weak dollars they are taking in exchange for their oil.
33 posted on 05/28/2013 4:06:35 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: familyop

The 95 to 115 range bandied about is not production cost; but, attributed toward needed revenue to dispense thus maintaining political stability.


34 posted on 05/28/2013 4:26:26 PM PDT by Ozark Tom
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To: Ozark Tom

Thanks. Very interesting.


35 posted on 05/28/2013 6:14:51 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of rotten politics smelled around the planet.)
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To: thackney
Venezuela’s oil minister said on Monday that he would push for a cut in OPEC production...,but then stated, sotto voce, that they'd secretly break the quota limits so as to maximize profits.
36 posted on 05/28/2013 7:21:48 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: thackney

I was at a meeting with some RR execs and a RR car leasing agent. He said tankers were a boom. They couldn’t make enough. Was he exaggerating?


37 posted on 05/28/2013 7:31:06 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; ...

Thanks Ernest.


38 posted on 05/28/2013 8:03:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Romney would have been worse, if you're a dumb ass.)
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To: Tenacious 1
"If they were to significantly ramp up production and drive the price of a barrel of oil down to about $40/barrel, the shale development and several other processes would be too expensive to bring oil to market (at least for new ventures). "

The ideal time to top off the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.

I wonder if comrade obama has replaced any of the taxpayer's oil that he extracted from the SPR and then resold to the taxpayers.
39 posted on 05/29/2013 1:12:52 AM PDT by clearcarbon
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To: 1010RD

I’ve heard they cannot build tanker rail cars fast enough to meet demand.

Tank car boom masks dearth of orders for other rail cars
http://www.progressiverailroading.com/mechanical/article/Tank-car-boom-masks-dearth-of-orders-for-other-rail-cars-8212-analysis-by-Toby-Kolstad—36142

Tank-car orders will jump, but demand for other car types will remain flat or decline in 2013
http://www.progressiverailroading.com/rail_industry_trends/news/Tankcar-orders-will-jump-but-demand-for-other-car-types-will-remain-flat-or-decline-in-2013-Economic-Planning-Associates-says—36000


40 posted on 05/29/2013 4:58:27 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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