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Why were roadblocks in St. Clair, Bibb counties asking for blood & DNA samples this weekend? (AL)
The Birmingham News/AL.com ^ | 6/10/13 | William Thornton

Posted on 06/10/2013 3:32:45 PM PDT by Bodleian_Girl

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To: 101stAirborneVet
Was any of this true in this case?

See the question mark? That indicated a question.

when there is a compelling public safety rationale.

Who sets the standard for "compelling public safety rational"? The court, the sheriff, chief of police, town constable?

you don't actually want to discuss the merits or legality or morality of this particular roadblock..

Have the courts ever found roadblocks to be immoral? Can state legislatures decide which roadblocks are legal in the face of the US Constitution?

241 posted on 06/10/2013 8:13:34 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: ConservativeChris

I actually think we are uniting against it. If it seeks to dissuade or divide, it is a failure.


242 posted on 06/10/2013 8:14:46 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Bodleian_Girl
Big tyrannical government building a DNA database to go along with IRS records and all phone/internet/email traffic records.

Anyone concerned enough yet to march on Obama's house?

Anyone out there that uses Verizon I suggest you consider joining a class action lawsuit for illegal search.....go to Randpac.com and sign up.
243 posted on 06/10/2013 8:15:46 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Not sure if it was this thread or maybe it was another where we clashed.

Really, the way i see it for good reason.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/3011194/posts?q=1&;page=94
I’d like to think you’re actually a pretty decent fella but, it seems whenever we meet, friction ensues.
.


244 posted on 06/10/2013 8:16:35 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: Alaska Wolf

* * * ASH ALERT* * *


245 posted on 06/10/2013 8:16:37 PM PDT by Nita Nupress (If you're full of negativity and you've given up, please do everyone a favor: Log off and go away.)
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To: Alaska Wolf
Who sets the standard for "compelling public safety rational"? The court, the sheriff, chief of police, town constable?

Answered above. For all your defense of these practices, I'm disappointed you don't know it is case law that controls here.

Have the courts ever found roadblocks to be immoral?

Nobody here said they would or should. But we can talk about whether we think it is moral, and we can provide supporting evidence for our position. I think this is what you are trying to stop, for some reason.

Can state legislatures decide which roadblocks are legal in the face of the US Constitution?

Nope.

246 posted on 06/10/2013 8:17:39 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: Black Agnes
Yeah. You weren’t SEEN doing the UE.

In my younger days I was driving with expired tags and as I rounded a bend I spotted a police roadblock. I attempted a turnaround but one of the cops spotted me. I saw him run to his car, turn on the lights and siren and before I knew it he was alongside my car and ordering me out of the car.

In this instance, all I got was a stern lecture about trying to avoid roadblocks. I could have been charged with any number of serious violations.

Alaska Wolf might be smug with his experiences, but past performances don't guarantee future results.

247 posted on 06/10/2013 8:18:22 PM PDT by OldPossum
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To: 101stAirborneVet
The courts do.

So law enforcement is required to have a court decision on whether a particular reason for a roadblock is legal, or does the court just set some general parameters for law enforcement interpretation?

248 posted on 06/10/2013 8:19:02 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: 101stAirborneVet
you are trying to stop,

For crying out loud, I'm attempting to stop nothing. I'm not the one posting TROLL in capital letters or fouling the thread with inane profanities.

249 posted on 06/10/2013 8:21:26 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Alaska Wolf
So law enforcement is required to have a court decision on whether a particular reason for a roadblock is legal, or does the court just set some general parameters for law enforcement interpretation?

The body of case law carves out the exemptions to Constitutional guarantees such as the right to travel from place to place unmolested, or the right to be secure in your person or papers.

There have been numerous cases of law enforcement using checkpoints for a variety of reasons. The federal circuits and the US Supreme Court have all issued decisions explaining when a roadblock/checkpoint can and cannot be used.

250 posted on 06/10/2013 8:21:53 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: beef

For all of you law-enforcement-can-do-no-wrong types:

http://cleveland.cbslocal.com/2013/06/10/man-charged-with-dui-despite-blowing-000-during-breathalyzer-test/


251 posted on 06/10/2013 8:25:13 PM PDT by beef (Who Killed Kennewick Man?)
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To: ConservativeChris
lets get him zotted?

Grow up for crying out loud.

252 posted on 06/10/2013 8:25:56 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Mears

bfl


253 posted on 06/10/2013 8:27:11 PM PDT by Mears
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To: 101stAirborneVet
The federal circuits and the US Supreme Court have all issued decisions explaining when a roadblock/checkpoint can and cannot be used.

I'll even give you an example. Before I retired from DC, we had a rash of violent crime (even worse than normal) in a particular neighborhood called Trinidad. Our Chief decided to throw up roadblocks on the streets leading into Trinidad, and we were to stop every vehicle and check their driver's license. This was supposed to "take back the neighborhood".

I immediately recognized this as unconstitutional. Even though the Chief had articulated what she felt was a "compelling public safety interest", the checkpoint was found to be illegal in court, because the people entering and exiting the neighborhood have a right to travel freely absent some immediate public safety exception.

254 posted on 06/10/2013 8:27:19 PM PDT by 101stAirborneVet
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To: ConservativeChris

“and now WE are infighting”

No, we are on the same page. The zot will eventually happen, seen it happen over and over and I help that happen every chance I get. I have even been awarded the kitty shield for zots. I searched out trolls during the election cycle and earned that kitty shield.


255 posted on 06/10/2013 8:32:23 PM PDT by Marcella (Prepping can save your life today. I am a Christian, not a Muslim.)
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To: 101stAirborneVet
I'm disappointed you don't know it is case law that controls here.

So how did we end up with the TSA? Why is it still in existence? Who is defending "these practices" as you allege?

256 posted on 06/10/2013 8:34:57 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: Bodleian_Girl

Not really directed to you, sorry.


257 posted on 06/10/2013 8:35:09 PM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

Alaska;

I want your bona fides:

These are simple yes or no questions and you need to answer then all.

Do you own a gun and/or do you support the 2nd amendment as it was written to challenge the authority of government ?

Do you wear a helmet when riding your bicycle ?

Do you have free will ?

Do you think that people need to be TOLD or manipulated to think the right way ?

Do you think you are smarter than most people ?

Do you trust or want to trust authority ?

Are you GAY ?

What do you know that is true ?


258 posted on 06/10/2013 8:36:59 PM PDT by Zeneta (No eternal reward will forgive us now for wasting the dawn.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

I’m beginning to think you’re in the minority of those that read past the title of the article.

I don’t have a problem with voluntary blood and DNA sampling. But it should have been advertised like a car wash, well off the roadway.

Non-police related road blocks are not normal in my experience. So coupled with the DNA sampling, this particular road block is a lightning rod to the libertarian mindset, and for good reason... despite the drama.


259 posted on 06/10/2013 8:37:28 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Vendome
Not sure if it was this thread or maybe it was another where we clashed.

Exactly what was it that I posted that you took offense?

260 posted on 06/10/2013 8:37:37 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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