Posted on 06/10/2013 6:48:52 PM PDT by haffast
New York City, N.Y., Jun 10, 2013 / 02:30 pm (CNA/EWTN News).- Stressing that immigration reform is needed to “correct injustices,” Cardinal Timothy M. Dolan said that the proposed bill in the U.S. Senate makes serious progress in efforts to balance humanitarian and security concerns.
“The Senate proposal, while not perfect, goes a long way toward correcting injustices in the system,” the Archbishop of New York wrote in a June 9 column for USA Today. “Despite its shortcomings, the bill significantly improves upon the status quo and will assist millions of families.”
“We look forward to continuing to work with Congress to improve the legislation, and we applaud lawmakers of both parties who are working together to bring 11 million people out of the shadows.”
Speaking for the U.S. bishops, Cardinal Dolan wrote that immigration is “close to Catholic hearts,” the Church having helped to integrate immigrants into the American way of life for generations.
He explained that much-needed immigration reform must highlight America's “legitimate needs of security” as well as “our heritage of welcoming immigrants and the gifts they bring.”
“We bishops call for practical and humane immigration reform grounded in the Catholic experience,” he wrote.
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Key word here ‘running on it’.
Did he ever come out and say that he believed in the personhood of the unborn and that he thought abortion was murder?
I asked you a question.
Would you vote for a Catholic prolife republican candidate in 2016?
Yes or no?
I don’t recall it coming up, it is your argument that Catholics vote for the abortion and homosexual, anti-God democrat party because it is their best choice, post your evidence.
Answer the question, please.
Would you vote for a Catholic prolife Republican as nominee for the presidency in 2016?
This is fodder for the anti-Catholic and some low-information Christian Protestant morons without addressing the real issues here at work.
There has always been a tension between Matthew 5:3-12 - The Beatitudes, the Sermon on the Mount and Mark 12:17 “Render therefore to Caesar the things that are Caesar’s, and to God the things that are God’s.” Catholic doctrine posits a preferential option for the poor.
Unfortunately not all immigrants are poor. 40% of illegals are those who have overstayed their visas; lied to foreign consular officers to enter US for “birth tourism,” and more than a large share of those who cross the border are criminals or with the help of criminal enterprises. Much of the problem lies here with our politicians and in no small way to leading Republicans including the Simpson-Mazzoli Bill and Reagan himself. We also had Bush pere and his simplistic son support this to say nothing of Bob Dole, Romney, and McCain who have supported amnesty.
Against this backdrop to expect Dolan (and the Roger Mahonys of this world) to stay on the sidelines is preposterous. Dolan’s comments shouldn’t surprise anyone. Misguided but not malicious or anti-American.
While you just make up fake political “facts’ and fake political “history”, and justify and defend Catholics voting for partial birth abortion and for Obama and the anti-God, pro-abortion party, you want me to answer stupid questions for you.
Would I support a pro-life, Catholic republican for the presidency?
Well, let’s see, first we’ll look at my 2012 Dream Team.
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Think of this little dream scenario.
Catholic Gingrich wins, the kind of warrior type Catholic that knows how (and wants to) outreach to Hispanics, I think that he also has that American conservative, ex Southern Baptist toughness that I would like to see with conservative Catholics, and I think that he would try to make sure that all Catholics start seeing their vote as expressing their faith in political matters and cultural life.
Newt’s veep choice being the conservative, gun toting, Hispanic Catholic, Governor of New Mexico, who thinks Romney is too liberal,and one of Palin’s mama grizzlies, Governor Susana Martinez.
I think this problem with the Catholic vote, would be cured by 16 years of those two.
I have to fit President Palin in there somewhere, but the point is that we can change all this.
27 posted on 2/18/2012 12:49:05 AM by ansel12
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Assuming everything is as it seems, Gingrich could become a huge national learning experience (or reminder) for Christian salvation and it’s ability to change a person.
Gingrich could turn out to be something very, very helpful for the Christian message and even the Republican brand, when contrasted to say a Clinton, or a JFK or the unrepentant image of the indifferent Democrat Christians.
15 posted on 1/22/2012 2:18:53 PM by ansel12
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Really, becoming religious and Catholic is a negative to you?
38 posted on 3/4/2012 1:34:21 PM by ansel12
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“””Did they ask him why he converted to Catholicism and how much of it he actually believes?”””
Dr. Gingrich is an eloquent man and a deep thinker, I think asking him those questions will be like lobbing a slow pitch to Babe Ruth.
43 posted on 3/4/2012 1:44:49 PM by ansel12
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Newt being a “John Paul II Catholic” means that he knows that Mitt Romney is not a Christian.
I wonder if he will be asked?
11 posted on 1/28/2012 8:22:35 PM by ansel12
I’ve made no assertion here whatsoever. I simply asked you a question.
Would you support a Catholic nominee for the Republicans in 2016?
It’s a yes or no answer. Why is this so difficult to do? All you had to do was say, “yes, yes I would”, and then go from there.
As for Newt, what did you think of his support for gay marriage? I think he was a terrible candidate who sold us out on some important issues. :(
LOL, of course I would, You just make up fake facts and fake history support the Catholic vote for Obama and the pro-abortion party, and you want to divert by asking a conservative if he would vote for a pro-life republican.
What do you think that I was supporting in 2012, can’t you read those posts?
Why would that even interest a guy who supports and defends and constantly justifies Catholics voting pro-abortion democrat?
The question is, do you vote as you post, as a Catholic democrat?
I’ve never voted for the Democrat party. Never will.
I agree you were a Newt supporter, but Newt was Newt and seems to disagree with significant portions of what Christianity teaches, (such as gay marriage), which he endorsed.
“constantly justifies Catholics voting pro-abortion democrat?”
Catholics are no more justified in voting for pro abortion Obama as they are justified in voting for pro abortion Romney.
Why do you keep pretending that the only choice was voting for the republican or voting for the most pro-abortion candidate in history, the leader of THE pro-abortion, anti-god party, and that it was right to prefer Obama, and Obama against McCain, and Al Gore against Bush, and Clinton, and Clinton?
Why do you come off as so dishonest and pro-democrat? The answer to the imperfection of a pro-life Republican
Catholic, or George Bush, or John McCain, is not Barrack Obama and Bill Clinton, and Al Gore, as you keep claiming.
If you didn’t vote for Obama, then why did you, and do you, so fiercely support and promote the majority of Catholics
voting for him?
“Why do you keep pretending that the only choice was voting for the republican or voting for the most pro-abortion candidate in history”
I never said any such thing. All I said is that a Catholic is no more justified in voting for Obama as they would be in voting for Romney.
I am saying that a moral decision would be to vote for a candidate who is prolife. It is more moral for a prolife Catholic not to vote at all in 2012 than to vote for Obama or Romney.
“THE pro-abortion, anti-god party”
Which party is that? The one who nominated the pro abortion Muslim Communist or the one who nominated the pro abortion Mormon?
“it was right to prefer Obama”
Never said anything of the sort. Please show me where I said Catholics were justified in supporting Obama over Romney?
Protesters Question Clergyman’s Loyalty
At Archbishop Jose Gomez Residence
Dozens of protesters have shown up at Archbishop of Los Angelus Jose Gomez residence many carrying American flags and bearing signs questioning his loyalty to the US not Mexico along with many signs demanding equal rights for American citizens in Mexico.
The protest was apparently triggered by the clerics decision to push forward with his predecessors decision the disgraced Cardinal Mahoney with offering amnesty thus citizenship to Mexicans crossing the border illegally while thousands of Americans in Mexico suffer under 2nd class citizenship unable to own property and suffer indignitys let alone participate in Mexican elections while living there in Mexico.
A spokeswoman for the group, Harriet Hildegarden insisted her group consists of Catholics loyal to the church. “We will be protesting at other locations where prominent clergy of the church have sided with the Obama regime”Hildy” claims the church is supporting the democrat party which denied God at their convention and declared what she claims is war on the Catholics but would collude with i t on many issues including “amnesty” .
When asked if she may be denied communion for her activities her reply was “Well it’s been known that when that happens quicker when clerics get personally attacked than when some politican challanges the church on the grounds of faith and morals” . You didn’t hear much from them (the bishops) about the Gosnell baby murderer trial. Now that it’s winding up perhaps the bishops might call a “conference” next year but they sure acted swiftly when it comes to allowing this country resigning its soverign rights new parishioners.
http://www.theusmat.com/natldesksatire.htm
Do you realize that you never say anything that makes sense, it is just a waste of time, read your posts on this thread justifying the Catholic vote for the democrats going back more than 40 years, you defend voting for Obama as equal to not voting for them, equal, well it isn’t.
You keep repeating it over and over voting for Obama is as good as voting for anyone else or no one, McCain or HW Bush, or Dole or George W, or third party or for a write in or skipping the president’s slot entirely.
Catholics CHOOSE the democrats, they CHOOSE Obama, they don’t settle on Obama because they are forced to vote for him, yet you keep defending that vote.
Contrary to what you keep promoting, Catholics do not HAVE to vote for the pro-abortion, anti-God democrat party, they can not vote, or write in a name, or vote for one of the many other parties.
In this last post, you finally realized that it would be better for Catholics to not vote for Obama, that it would be better to skip it but they could also try to vote third party or vote McCain/Palin, or in 2012, since they are already so liberal that they support democrats, they could have voted for Romney, something that I as a conservative could not do, but 2008 Obama Catholics could have done easily if they wanted to move right.
We both know why Catholics vote democrat, it is because they choose the party that supports their politics and morals, they do not avoid the republicans because the GOP is not right wing enough for them.
“Do you realize that you never say anything that makes sense”
So you have reading comprehension issues then. Perhaps I should spell it out for you.
1, there is no justification for a Catholic to vote for a pro abort Obama
2, there is no justification for a Catholic to vote for a pro abort Romney.
That leaves two options - third party (of which there were several options including Virgil Goode), or staying at home. It is better not to contribute to sin than to vote and contribute to sin.
“read your posts on this thread justifying the Catholic vote for the democrats going back more than 40 years”
Never said anything of the sort. I am simply saying that the Republican party is as likely to be pro abortion as it is prolife. It is inconstant at best on this issue.
“you defend voting for Obama as equal to not voting for them, equal, well it isn’t.”
Actually, this is a lie.
I defend not voting for Obama, and I defend not voting for Romney. I do not defend not voting for either as ‘equal’, rather I affirm that not voting for either is a superior option.
“You keep repeating it over and over voting for Obama is as good as voting for anyone else or no one”
Another lie. You like telling lies. I explicitly said:
1, Catholics should not vote for Obama.
2, Catholics should not vote for Romney.
3, Catholics should either not vote or vote for a third party (Virgil Goode) that does support what Catholics believe.
“McCain or HW Bush, or Dole or George W, or third party or for a write in or skipping the president’s slot entirely.”
Please show me where I discussed McCain’s election?
I already stated that Pro abort Dole was useless on this issue. Just like Romney, Catholics were obligated not to vote for Dole.
“Catholics CHOOSE the democrats, they CHOOSE Obama”
And Republicans choose Romney. They choose abortion over children. Nobody put the gun to the head of Republicans to choose Romney, but they chose, of their own free will to vote for him.
If Republicans want Catholic support, they need to nominate a prolifer.
“they don’t settle on Obama because they are forced to vote for him, yet you keep defending that vote.”
Here’s a fact - take Catholics out of the equation all together, Obama still wins. Who handed the election to Obama? Republicans. Pro abort republicans who supported Romney.
“Contrary to what you keep promoting, Catholics do not HAVE to vote for the pro-abortion, anti-God democrat party”
Then why do republicans trot out a Mormon pro abort? Seems to me they are speaking volumes as to what they believe.
“they can not vote, or write in a name, or vote for one of the many other parties.”
Which is what I did suggest they do.
“since they are already so liberal”
Republicans haven’t won an election in 40 years without a prolife nominee.
“it is because they choose the party that supports their politics and morals, they do not avoid the republicans because the GOP is not right wing enough for them.”
Republicans have lost because they no longer oppose abortion and are inconstant on this issue. Republicans win when they oppose abortion.
Finally we have a breakthrough of a sorts, you finally seem to realize that Catholics do not have to vote pro-abortion democrat and that pretending the republican party is just as bad, or just as pro-abortion as the democrats, no matter how insane that was, isn’t relevant anyway, so you can drop that defense entirely.
The GOP platform is pro-life, and pro-family, but Catholics prefer the democrat platform, and always have, Catholics have always been democrats with the exception of about five presidential elections.
To get back to post 36 and immigration, more Catholics equals more pro-abortion/homosexual agenda, democrat voters, that is just the way it is, and it doesn’t matter what the other options are, the Catholics will vote democrat, they are not seeking to AVOID the more pro-abortion liberal in the election, they are seeking him out, to vote for him.
I have lost all faith in American politicians and am starting to lose my faith in the Catholic clergy.
I still believe in the Church , but not it’s practitioners.
I still believe in America, but not it’s leaders.
yes Catholic vote for the rats, look at the north east, most Catholic area and most liberal which is sort of hypocritical
Most Irish (as in "need not apply") who got only the most dangerous jobs a few generations back, which ended up most Unionized.
That is the democrat connection, not the Church. They don't vote the way they vote because they are Catholic, but because of the Unions.
You want most liberal, go west. Funny how protestants, jews and muslims seem to vote for the rats too.
There are those, however, who will not miss a chance to take a swing at Catholicism and Catholics, even if their reasoning is based on correlation and not causation..
Joe don’t; get defensive I am talking about those in the north east like my MIL, and my wifes family who call themselves Catholic and then vote Dem.
MA is a fine example of a liberal dump and yet one of the most Catholic states in the union, look at RI, the most Catholic and only one small area which is not totally liberal in the last election.
My time living in the north east was meet people every day who call themselves Catholic and then vote liberal, socialist and Dem
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