Skip to comments.Snowden: More Public Servant than Criminal
Posted on 06/12/2013 1:25:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
The revelation that the National Security Agency is tracking every phone call each American makes, and broadly mining internet data puts President Obama at the center of yet another controversy. He and supporters in the Republican leadership, not Edward Snowden, are making themselves villains.
Two sets of issues are central. Do NSA practices strike a reasonable balance between the threats posed by global terrorism and right to privacy? Are these the least intrusive necessary? Are safeguards against abuse adequate?
Will Edward Snowden be thrown in jail for revealing classified information under the Espionage Act or other statutes?
The president argues the nation needs to strike a balance between security and liberty. As with free speech--you cant yell "fire" in a movie theater--the right to privacy is not absolute.
However, if Americans are going to have a reasoned discussion, they must know what the government is up to, especially when it collects broad information that could be used to paint a sophisticated picture of each Americans political leanings, sexual orientation and flavor of ice cream they prefer. The president cant have it both ways--engage in an informed dialogue but not reveal the practices that need to be discussed....
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
So glad to see interviews with Mom, Dad, relatives....Friends!!!
The FedGov imports and protects the problem, and places me under surveillance and part of the solution.
He'd get to the bottom of Fast and Furious, another "secret" government program, supplying terrorists with high-powered weaponry.
So far it's only "metadata" regarding gov't snooping on ALL citizens without cause.
This is going to make a great movie, and not just made-for-TV. I’m trying to imagine who could play Snowden. The “usuals are too old.
Then if the spooks (James Bond types) don't like him, they will work to get rid of him by getting rid of Zer0 - sooner rather than later.
The Harry Potter kid?
He will be captured, charged, thrown into jail, then one day pardoned.
Congress will march along merrily in contempt of the Constitution without a care in the World.
Nothing says "patriotic commitment to civil liberties" like threatening to defect to China.
Interesting battle lines forming up.
Local talk-radio Tea Party conservative Michael Berry, here in Houston, came down on Snowden's side. And guys like Gallagher and Michael Medved and other RiNO-symp mike jockeys are all lining up behind James Clapper and what a solid guy he is and what a weaselly little rat-bastard Snowden is, giving Al Q'aeda a free pass to the next Boston Marathon.
(Oh, wait -- the Tsarnaev brothers didn't have a free pass but walked onto the Marathon race course anyway and set their bombs without interference. That didn't work out too well for us, but hey, we get the idea!)
The Obama Syndicate was about to roll out the drones against the American people in out own cities. Thanks to Senator Rand Paul, we stopped that train from leaving the station. Now we have Edward Snowden. Who knows what Zer0 was planning. We do know it was not for good.
Well, except now he is telling the world that the US is hacking China’s networks.
I’m not sure how that fits in with the idea that he was blowing the whistle because our government was subverting our freedoms.
If we surrender our freedoms in the fight against terrorism - THE TERRORISTS WIN.
Sorry, the guy is a sociopathic lying traitor.
As I’ve said on other boards, and taken tons of ridicule and flack for everyone’s newfound 99 percenter Paul Revere,
Hundreds of thousands of active duty and former military officers and enlisted from all branches of the service that fill the ranks of NSA are all law breaking cowards, and only this guy, a high school and military dropout, lands a contacting gig for less than three months, and saves the world from all those evil people at NSA?
Do you all really believe that? That they violate the law and not one of them had the balls as this bastard? Really????.
There is a lot of crap being sold here, and sadly, a lot of people bought into. Hook, line, and sinker.
The government is categorizing and cataloging data for permanent archiving. The only thing missing is the name that goes with the number, and they can match that at any time.
When they say it's not the content of the calls or emails, don't believe it. They're probably storing compressed data packets, which directly aren't readable but can be quickly expanded and converted when needed.
It used to be that the government had to give a reason why they were suspicious of you before they were allowed to capture data about you.
Now they're saying that they can capture all the data about you that they want, but they only need permission to look at it.
This means that the government now has the means to manufacture any evidence against you that they might ever need in the future.
I know. And I believe that they have your MegaData too.
Yea, I wuz reading about that earlier 2Day. Hence the comment.
That the US is hacking Chinese networks is likely not real newz, but Snowden seems to have more shoes to drop, so we'll see just what he is over time.
The Jury is still out....
what is this that hear abotu snowden giving out hte names of cia agents overseas? Has anyoen heard anythign about this? IF he is doign htis- it rasises what he’s doen to a whiolwe new level which very well could include a charge of treason- Whereas simpyl releassign certain ifnformation wouldn’t have, when it specifically taRGets our people and makes them a marked target overseas in enemy terroritory, then you are talkign a whole new level of whatever-
I’ve only just sorta heard this- not true IF this is the case opr not?
I'm with you. His employment record and activities needs deep scouring. He could have been feeding China for a while before moving to Booz Allen for a short time and then taking the fast boat to China. This guy merits no trust at all.
PS Your comment on the ex-servicemen was quite apt.
I think that’s Glenn Greenwald, the reporter at the Guardian, that they’re referring to.
He sounds like an Oath Keeper. Any out there?
Obama administration: more criminal than public servant.
Well, metadata is more than enough. But I'm not sure where I stand on this one.
I'm glad he blew the whistle on this, yet he's seeking assylum where Russia may welcome him into their country.
Are we in The Twilight Zone here?
No one's claiming they violate the law.
The problem is that the law is bad and must go. In my opinion, you're on the wrong side in this fight. There are ways to fight terrorism without making all of us suspects.
Why don't you see that?
Hearing "megadata" is a dog whistle that the speaker doesn't really know what he's saying.
After reading your endless comments on this topic, I have to wonder - who do you trust in our current government? I’m honestly curious. I read about the families of the Seal Team re: extortion 17 and how they went to Rubio, before he outed himself as a tool, and were all but dismissed.
I just can’t imagine who anyone would/could trust with such information. I know your argument regarding his oath and all that, and that is not what I’m curious about, I am only wondering who you would go to IF you had information that was damning. Thanks
Sigh; we already have! At the airport yesterday I was in the long cattle line of TSA; shoes off, hands up, body scan. As I looked around at the hundreds of us in line, ALL I could think of what that yes, the stinky al queda *sp* has won. It is so disheartening.
do they think he is just talking crap? Or do they think he is actually representign hwat snowden has told him? I know the reporters at the guardian can be skethcy at itmes- but it kinda sounded liek the reporter was staging soemthign snowden had told him? Not sure htough
With Zer0 and his minions in charge, we've been deep within the Twilight Zone for ~ 5 years.
I always make sure I know what is the shortest direction to Mecca so I can be properly oriented when bending over to do the shoe thing.
Call it what it is; Jihad. Tea Partiers are NOT into Jihad.
Are you saying the government is NOT spying on all of us? Not one government official has said Snowden made any of this up.
I find it odd that the government would get pissed off at someone for saying they’re doing something that they’re not doing.
Dang, that didn’t cross my mind at the time! Good tip :)
I’m referring to MegaData as being the content which they are likely taking too - what are they going to store at the new repository in Utah?
JimRob, I guess.
If you have to ask, then it is obvious you haven't read many of my comments. I don't trust liberals, libertarians or most republicans.
, I am only wondering who you would go to IF you had information that was damning. Thanks
Certainly not China, but then I was told that stealing was illegal, unethical and immoral. Ever wonder if he contacted Ron Paul?
The battle lines on this one is between the Statists, from Left or Right, and those who love Liberty. The Statists are all for the Leviathan State, they just do not agree on what to use it for.
The term is "metadata," data about data.
There is no term "megadata," other than it being a corruption of the term metadata.
When a politician says "Megadata," they are trying to repeat a talking point without understanding what they are saying.
The only possible use of "megadata" would be to speak of kilobytes, megabytes, terabytes of data, that is, the amount of storage being used.
Unless someone coined a new term that I haven't heard about yet.
They agree on using it to kill us.
America's too dangerous an idea to let live.
Waiting for the NSA to ask for money to fix the problem.
MegaData = ALottaBytes
"Mega" is referring to the datacenter being huge. The datacenter was built next to a river so that the water can be used to cool the servers and storage devices that are being run there.
"Metadata" is data about data. Google it on Wiki. It's a long-standing term in the IT industry. It refers to you you tag the information for easy retrieval, or what you know about the ranges of values in data, or whether it's character or numeric, or address data or phone number data. It's information about the nature of the data, but not the data itself.
Nobody has yet denied the NSA is indeed doing everything Snowden claimed.
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