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Snowden: More Public Servant than Criminal
Breitbart's Big Peace ^ | June 12, 2013 | Professor Peter Morici

Posted on 06/12/2013 1:25:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet

The revelation that the National Security Agency is tracking every phone call each American makes, and broadly mining internet data puts President Obama at the center of yet another controversy. He and supporters in the Republican leadership, not Edward Snowden, are making themselves villains.

Two sets of issues are central. Do NSA practices strike a reasonable balance between the threats posed by global terrorism and right to privacy? Are these the least intrusive necessary? Are safeguards against abuse adequate?

Will Edward Snowden be thrown in jail for revealing classified information under the Espionage Act or other statutes?

The president argues the nation needs to strike a balance between security and liberty. As with free speech--you can’t yell "fire" in a movie theater--the right to privacy is not absolute.

However, if Americans are going to have a reasoned discussion, they must know what the government is up to, especially when it collects broad information that could be used to paint a sophisticated picture of each American’s political leanings, sexual orientation and flavor of ice cream they prefer. The president can’t have it both ways--engage in an informed dialogue but not reveal the practices that need to be discussed....

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: cia; communism; edwardsnowden; f6; nsa; obama; obamacrimes; protect; protectwhistleblower; qgroup; shadowgovernment; specialcollection; surveillance; truthseeker; whistleblower
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1 posted on 06/12/2013 1:25:02 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Agree.


2 posted on 06/12/2013 1:29:51 PM PDT by RobbyS
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

So glad to see interviews with Mom, Dad, relatives....Friends!!!

Enigma/Ultra


3 posted on 06/12/2013 1:32:26 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
As with free speech--you can’t yell "fire" in a movie theater--the right to privacy is not absolute.

The FedGov imports and protects the problem, and places me under surveillance and part of the solution.

4 posted on 06/12/2013 1:35:31 PM PDT by Spirochete (Does the FedGov have the attributes of a legitimate government?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Snowden for Director of ATF.

He'd get to the bottom of Fast and Furious, another "secret" government program, supplying terrorists with high-powered weaponry.

5 posted on 06/12/2013 1:39:29 PM PDT by Zuben Elgenubi
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Depends on what else he reveals.

So far it's only "metadata" regarding gov't snooping on ALL citizens without cause.

6 posted on 06/12/2013 1:41:37 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

This is going to make a great movie, and not just made-for-TV. I’m trying to imagine who could play Snowden. The “usuals are too old.


7 posted on 06/12/2013 1:43:32 PM PDT by grania
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To: Zuben Elgenubi
I proposed that yesterday and today would add that his term of office would be concurrent with that of Zer0.

Then if the spooks (James Bond types) don't like him, they will work to get rid of him by getting rid of Zer0 - sooner rather than later.

8 posted on 06/12/2013 1:43:55 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: grania

The Harry Potter kid?


9 posted on 06/12/2013 1:45:33 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Edward Snowden didn't graduate from Harvard, but his statements are measured and wise. The government and media hyenas already are ridiculing him and trying their best to bring this young man down, but I'm not buying it. This guy is a 21st century Paul Revere telling us that something evil is coming...LISTEN.
10 posted on 06/12/2013 1:46:11 PM PDT by July4
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He will be captured, charged, thrown into jail, then one day pardoned.

Congress will march along merrily in contempt of the Constitution without a care in the World.


11 posted on 06/12/2013 1:47:10 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
David Burge ‏@iowahawkblog 9 Jun

Nothing says "patriotic commitment to civil liberties" like threatening to defect to China.

12 posted on 06/12/2013 1:48:19 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Comments?

Interesting battle lines forming up.

Local talk-radio Tea Party conservative Michael Berry, here in Houston, came down on Snowden's side. And guys like Gallagher and Michael Medved and other RiNO-symp mike jockeys are all lining up behind James Clapper and what a solid guy he is and what a weaselly little rat-bastard Snowden is, giving Al Q'aeda a free pass to the next Boston Marathon.

(Oh, wait -- the Tsarnaev brothers didn't have a free pass but walked onto the Marathon race course anyway and set their bombs without interference. That didn't work out too well for us, but hey, we get the idea!)

13 posted on 06/12/2013 1:49:23 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; MestaMachine; Rushmore Rocks; Oorang; sweetiepiezer; txnuke; Velveeta; aragorn; ...
”Image

Snowden: More Public Servant than Criminal

. . . . As previously mentioned.

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14 posted on 06/12/2013 1:51:16 PM PDT by LucyT ("Once you've gone round the bend you've gone as far as you can go. ")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The Obama Syndicate was about to roll out the drones against the American people in out own cities. Thanks to Senator Rand Paul, we stopped that train from leaving the station. Now we have Edward Snowden. Who knows what Zer0 was planning. We do know it was not for good.


15 posted on 06/12/2013 1:55:15 PM PDT by jonrick46 (The opium of Communists: other people's money.)
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To: Paladin2

Well, except now he is telling the world that the US is hacking China’s networks.

I’m not sure how that fits in with the idea that he was blowing the whistle because our government was subverting our freedoms.


16 posted on 06/12/2013 2:01:07 PM PDT by dmz
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Totally agree.

If we surrender our freedoms in the fight against terrorism - THE TERRORISTS WIN.


17 posted on 06/12/2013 2:01:12 PM PDT by ZULU ((See: http://gatesofvienna.net/) Obama, do you hear me?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sorry, the guy is a sociopathic lying traitor.

As I’ve said on other boards, and taken tons of ridicule and flack for everyone’s newfound 99 percenter Paul Revere,

Hundreds of thousands of active duty and former military officers and enlisted from all branches of the service that fill the ranks of NSA are all law breaking cowards, and only this guy, a high school and military dropout, lands a contacting gig for less than three months, and saves the world from all those evil people at NSA?

Do you all really believe that? That they violate the law and not one of them had the balls as this bastard? Really????.

There is a lot of crap being sold here, and sadly, a lot of people bought into. Hook, line, and sinker.


18 posted on 06/12/2013 2:02:09 PM PDT by Dogbert41 (Thy Kingdom come!)
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To: Paladin2
Do you know what's really going on when the government meme is that it's just "collecting metadata?"

The government is categorizing and cataloging data for permanent archiving. The only thing missing is the name that goes with the number, and they can match that at any time.

When they say it's not the content of the calls or emails, don't believe it. They're probably storing compressed data packets, which directly aren't readable but can be quickly expanded and converted when needed.

It used to be that the government had to give a reason why they were suspicious of you before they were allowed to capture data about you.

Now they're saying that they can capture all the data about you that they want, but they only need permission to look at it.

This means that the government now has the means to manufacture any evidence against you that they might ever need in the future.

-PJ

19 posted on 06/12/2013 2:03:34 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

I know. And I believe that they have your MegaData too.


20 posted on 06/12/2013 2:06:55 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: dmz
"Well, except now he is telling the world that the US is hacking China’s networks."

Yea, I wuz reading about that earlier 2Day. Hence the comment.

That the US is hacking Chinese networks is likely not real newz, but Snowden seems to have more shoes to drop, so we'll see just what he is over time.

The Jury is still out....

21 posted on 06/12/2013 2:11:16 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

what is this that hear abotu snowden giving out hte names of cia agents overseas? Has anyoen heard anythign about this? IF he is doign htis- it rasises what he’s doen to a whiolwe new level which very well could include a charge of treason- Whereas simpyl releassign certain ifnformation wouldn’t have, when it specifically taRGets our people and makes them a marked target overseas in enemy terroritory, then you are talkign a whole new level of whatever-

I’ve only just sorta heard this- not true IF this is the case opr not?


22 posted on 06/12/2013 2:14:51 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: Dogbert41
Ping your post. "There is a lot of crap being sold here, and sadly, a lot of people bought into. Hook, line, and sinker."

I'm with you. His employment record and activities needs deep scouring. He could have been feeding China for a while before moving to Booz Allen for a short time and then taking the fast boat to China. This guy merits no trust at all.

PS Your comment on the ex-servicemen was quite apt.

23 posted on 06/12/2013 2:18:30 PM PDT by ex-snook (God is Love)
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To: CottShop

I think that’s Glenn Greenwald, the reporter at the Guardian, that they’re referring to.


24 posted on 06/12/2013 2:20:05 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I'll raise $2million for Sarah Palin's next run. What'll you do?)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

He sounds like an Oath Keeper. Any out there?


25 posted on 06/12/2013 2:29:10 PM PDT by Safetgiver ( Islam makes barbarism look genteel.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Obama administration: more criminal than public servant.


26 posted on 06/12/2013 2:29:32 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: Paladin2
So far it's only "metadata" regarding gov't snooping on ALL citizens without cause.

Well, metadata is more than enough. But I'm not sure where I stand on this one.

I'm glad he blew the whistle on this, yet he's seeking assylum where Russia may welcome him into their country.

Are we in The Twilight Zone here?



27 posted on 06/12/2013 2:41:46 PM PDT by rdb3 (I ain't got no grape jelly! I only have purple.)
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To: Dogbert41
That they violate the law and not one of them had the balls as this bastard? Really????.

No one's claiming they violate the law.

The problem is that the law is bad and must go. In my opinion, you're on the wrong side in this fight. There are ways to fight terrorism without making all of us suspects.

Why don't you see that?

28 posted on 06/12/2013 2:46:01 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Don't try to explain yourself to liberals; you're not the jackass-whisperer.)
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To: Paladin2
LOL! I keep hearing that on the news, too.

Hearing "megadata" is a dog whistle that the speaker doesn't really know what he's saying.

-PJ

29 posted on 06/12/2013 2:55:37 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Alaska Wolf

After reading your endless comments on this topic, I have to wonder - who do you trust in our current government? I’m honestly curious. I read about the families of the Seal Team re: extortion 17 and how they went to Rubio, before he outed himself as a tool, and were all but dismissed.

I just can’t imagine who anyone would/could trust with such information. I know your argument regarding his oath and all that, and that is not what I’m curious about, I am only wondering who you would go to IF you had information that was damning. Thanks


30 posted on 06/12/2013 3:01:34 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: ZULU

Sigh; we already have! At the airport yesterday I was in the long cattle line of TSA; shoes off, hands up, body scan. As I looked around at the hundreds of us in line, ALL I could think of what that yes, the stinky al queda *sp* has won. It is so disheartening.


31 posted on 06/12/2013 3:04:03 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

do they think he is just talking crap? Or do they think he is actually representign hwat snowden has told him? I know the reporters at the guardian can be skethcy at itmes- but it kinda sounded liek the reporter was staging soemthign snowden had told him? Not sure htough


32 posted on 06/12/2013 3:06:31 PM PDT by CottShop (Scientific belief does not constitute scientific evidence, nor does it convey scientific knowledge)
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To: rdb3
"Are we in The Twilight Zone here? "

With Zer0 and his minions in charge, we've been deep within the Twilight Zone for ~ 5 years.

33 posted on 06/12/2013 3:08:49 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: AllAmericanGirl44

I always make sure I know what is the shortest direction to Mecca so I can be properly oriented when bending over to do the shoe thing.


34 posted on 06/12/2013 3:10:21 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: BfloGuy
"There are ways to fight terrorism without making all of us suspects. "

Call it what it is; Jihad. Tea Partiers are NOT into Jihad.

35 posted on 06/12/2013 3:12:30 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Dogbert41

Are you saying the government is NOT spying on all of us? Not one government official has said Snowden made any of this up.

I find it odd that the government would get pissed off at someone for saying they’re doing something that they’re not doing.


36 posted on 06/12/2013 3:13:30 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Paladin2

Dang, that didn’t cross my mind at the time! Good tip :)


37 posted on 06/12/2013 3:14:01 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Political Junkie Too

I’m referring to MegaData as being the content which they are likely taking too - what are they going to store at the new repository in Utah?


38 posted on 06/12/2013 3:14:09 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
"who you would go to IF you had information that was damning. Thanks"

JimRob, I guess.

39 posted on 06/12/2013 3:15:40 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: AllAmericanGirl44
After reading your endless comments on this topic, I have to wonder - who do you trust in our current government?

If you have to ask, then it is obvious you haven't read many of my comments. I don't trust liberals, libertarians or most republicans.

, I am only wondering who you would go to IF you had information that was damning. Thanks

Certainly not China, but then I was told that stealing was illegal, unethical and immoral. Ever wonder if he contacted Ron Paul?

40 posted on 06/12/2013 3:21:54 PM PDT by Alaska Wolf (I)
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To: lentulusgracchus

The battle lines on this one is between the Statists, from Left or Right, and those who love Liberty. The Statists are all for the Leviathan State, they just do not agree on what to use it for.


41 posted on 06/12/2013 3:25:52 PM PDT by gusty
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To: Paladin2
I know.

The term is "metadata," data about data.

There is no term "megadata," other than it being a corruption of the term metadata.

When a politician says "Megadata," they are trying to repeat a talking point without understanding what they are saying.

The only possible use of "megadata" would be to speak of kilobytes, megabytes, terabytes of data, that is, the amount of storage being used.

Unless someone coined a new term that I haven't heard about yet.

-PJ

42 posted on 06/12/2013 3:27:14 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Political Junkie Too

http://pro.gigaom.com/report/how-the-mega-data-center-is-changing-the-hardware-and-data-center-markets/


43 posted on 06/12/2013 3:28:39 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: gusty
... they just do not agree on what to use it for.

They agree on using it to kill us.

America's too dangerous an idea to let live.

44 posted on 06/12/2013 3:31:52 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Political Junkie Too

http://pro.gigaom.com/report/how-the-mega-data-center-is-changing-the-hardware-and-data-center-markets/


45 posted on 06/12/2013 3:32:29 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Political Junkie Too

http://www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message2257707/pg1


46 posted on 06/12/2013 3:32:42 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Waiting for the NSA to ask for money to fix the problem.


47 posted on 06/12/2013 3:34:55 PM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Political Junkie Too
I propose the following definition:

MegaData = ALottaBytes

(See YottaByte)

48 posted on 06/12/2013 3:35:00 PM PDT by Paladin2 (;-))
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To: Paladin2
Mega data center is referring to the capacity of the datacenter, not the content stored there.

"Mega" is referring to the datacenter being huge. The datacenter was built next to a river so that the water can be used to cool the servers and storage devices that are being run there.

"Metadata" is data about data. Google it on Wiki. It's a long-standing term in the IT industry. It refers to you you tag the information for easy retrieval, or what you know about the ranges of values in data, or whether it's character or numeric, or address data or phone number data. It's information about the nature of the data, but not the data itself.

-PJ

49 posted on 06/12/2013 3:36:58 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Dogbert41

Nobody has yet denied the NSA is indeed doing everything Snowden claimed.


50 posted on 06/12/2013 3:42:05 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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