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Feds Say: 'Pilots Have No Rights'
Flying Magazine Online ^ | Jun 13, 2013 | Robert Goyer

Posted on 06/14/2013 12:34:00 PM PDT by CodeToad

Flying has obtained information from a law enforcement source about the federal program that detains pilots upon their arrival at their destination airports and searches their airplanes. Training for the program was conducted via an “aviation drug interdiction” class sponsored by HIDTA (High Intensity Drug Trafficking Area), a government organization that is a conglomerate of federal, state and local law enforcement agencies to fight, as the name implies, drug traffic.

...airplanes are approached often at gunpoint and usually by local law enforcement, who detain them until the Citation lands and federal agents arrive on scene. They are then ramp checked and they have their airplanes searched.

...pilots were to be treated as though they had no right to refuse the search. “What they taught law enforcement officers and agents was that all aircraft can be detained since they all fall under the . . . authority of the FAA.” He continued that, “this in effect gives them complete search authority of any aircraft.”

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TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: dhs; hidta; pilots; rights
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To: CodeToad
I never experienced a ramp check. But, if this had happened to me, that's all they would get: my logbook, registration, and pilot's license.

No law enforcement officer would be searching my airplane, home, or vehicle without a warrant. If they don't have one and forcibly do so without my permission, my lawyer will make their life a living hell.

I'll let them explain it to a judge, and when he slaps them down, I'll be able to retire in style.

21 posted on 06/14/2013 1:12:02 PM PDT by justlurking (tagline removed, as demanded by Admin Moderator)
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To: rktman

Why is she laughing? We already have random stops for alcohol and DNA. Trips plans? No, because Obamassiah is going to make it too expensive to drive....unles your a member o the elite in which case you will have all sorts of credits.


22 posted on 06/14/2013 1:12:33 PM PDT by FreedomNotSafety
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To: justlurking

“my logbook, “

I’m a private pilot so that stays home. No need to have some jackass try to screw with its entries. There is just too many things they can try to screw with in there.

I’ve never been ramped checked but only the mandatory paperwork can be checked. The plane stays locked until the idiot leaves.


23 posted on 06/14/2013 1:15:31 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: FreedomNotSafety

No, she wasn’t laughing. She was lookin’ at me funny like nutsy coco. Love them algore carbon credits.


24 posted on 06/14/2013 1:19:30 PM PDT by rktman
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To: CodeToad

1st time I ever flew a plane I went to Indiantown Airport where in the “pilots lounge” there was a poster stating the 10 biggest LIES you’ll ever hear in Aviation.
#1 Hi, I’m from the F.A.A. and I’m hear to help.


25 posted on 06/14/2013 1:28:35 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: CodeToad

It’s been a long time, but I remember the Coast Guard asserting that they had the right to board and search any vessel in the navigable waters of the U.S. at any time, day or night, without warrant or consent.


26 posted on 06/14/2013 1:29:15 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: justlurking

No ramp check here, so far.
But like Mr. Dylan said, “ The times they are a changing.


27 posted on 06/14/2013 1:32:47 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: CodeToad

My copy of the Constitution says nothing about allowing the Feds to run an Aviation Administration of any stripe.

Privatize it and run it like an IEEE consortium.

This jackbooted bullshite needs to end. May as well start here.


28 posted on 06/14/2013 1:37:48 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (I will not comply.)
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To: Procyon

Title 14 United States Code, Section 89 cites the Coast Guard authority. I would not be surprised to see an equivalent federal aw for the F.A.A.


29 posted on 06/14/2013 1:38:09 PM PDT by Procyon (Decentralize, degovernmentalize, deregulate, demonopolize, decredentialize, disentitle.)
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To: Procyon

Yes, they do. They claim they have the right to board all vessels. I’ve always had a problem with that. They claim “safety inspection” rights.


30 posted on 06/14/2013 1:41:40 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: Joe Boucher

We need an ATC but the FAA has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem.


31 posted on 06/14/2013 1:42:17 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: rktman

Like the “internal passports” of the former Soviet Union, you will have to get government permission and “show your papers” to travel more than one hundred miles from your home.


32 posted on 06/14/2013 1:49:36 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: CodeToad

FAA a problem?
EVERY damn aspect of gub mint, “has been proving themselves for many years to be a problem”.


33 posted on 06/14/2013 2:08:13 PM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO))
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To: Procyon

Prior to the September 11th terrorist attacks, the Coast Guard was part of the Department of Transportation.

Now, they’re part of the Department of Homeland Security. No wonder they like to throw their weight around.


34 posted on 06/14/2013 2:27:13 PM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (November 4, 2008 and November 6, 2012.....Two days that will live in infamy!)
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To: PhiloBedo
IIRC...

The FAA can only search and aircraft for compliance with applicable maintenance, operational limitations and flight regulations.

35 posted on 06/14/2013 2:28:17 PM PDT by Wings-n-Wind (The main things are the plain things!)
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To: lavaroise

Damn, gay airplanes too!


36 posted on 06/14/2013 2:41:03 PM PDT by stockpirate (F. Douglass, "A man's rights rest in three boxes: ballot box, jury box, and ammo box)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

The only way to stop people from growing a house plant that can be sold for more than its weight in gold is to install a 24/7 full surveillance police state.

Hint hint


37 posted on 06/14/2013 3:07:13 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: varyouga

Read my tagline.


38 posted on 06/14/2013 3:15:37 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Inside every liberal and WOD defender is a totalitarian screaming to get out.)
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To: CodeToad
"This would be like saying...."

Oh, I get it....like that 'navigable waters' thing.

39 posted on 06/14/2013 4:35:02 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: CodeToad

I believe that is correct.


40 posted on 06/14/2013 4:48:16 PM PDT by PhiloBedo (You gotta roll with the punches and get with what's real.)
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