Posted on 06/15/2013 6:33:28 AM PDT by DannyTN
I've been advocating leaving the scouts since the vote, but that's the wrong approach. The BSA is worth fighting for.
I went last night to the Boxwood Scout Retreat here in Tennessee to pick up my son from a week of scouting. As I looked around at the pristine property on the edge of Old Hickory Lake, and the decades of work it must have taken to build the facilities located there, I realized what a shame it was to give it all up without a fight.
The BSA have assets on their books of over $1 billion offset by just $300 million in liablilities. And my guess is that their assets are probably vastly understated as most of their real estate would be listed at purchase price not current value.
Let's not walk away from that because one vote took us by surprise.
Instead the Baptists, Catholics, Methodists, Assemblies of God, whatever other churchs will join us, including Mormons need to band together and reverse this decision.
We need to examine the delegates that were sent and how they voted. And we need to clean house of the delegates that allowed this travesty. And we need to identify the people on the board and in the leadership who pushed for this.
Then we need to go to the next national meeting with enough votes in hand to overturn this decision.
I've seen this happen before with Baptist churches. Every once in a while a church will call a pastor and the pastor will turn out to be a kook. He'll start running off long term members and bringing in his own following who have an almost cult like attachment to him.
One church I knew dropped out of the Southern Baptist Convention and the preacher told the church they could change their name to "Mike's angels" for all he cared. Within a year they had mortgaged the church, stripped it of all it's assets and went bankrupt. The original members were able to buy the church back from the bank, but it was a hard lesson.
Another church had the same thing happen to them, but after about a year of losing long term members, the Deacons realized what was happening, manned up and fired the preacher. The church was weakened but survived.
It's time to man up, change the leadership, reverse this decision and take the scouts back.
I went last night to pick my son up from
I would never allow my son to stay in the Scouts. Fighting for the Scouts means you’re fighting for the a-holes that allowed gays.
In 10 years it will look like the Russian River in CA. Bath houses and such. The ink is not even dry and they are clamoring for gay scout masters (with lots of assistants). I sure wouldn't send my kids to be meat for the chicken hawks nor to be scouted by gay boys for their pimps.
The vote killed it. There’s no revival of morals in an organization that caves to evil.
The Left fights with a very long time horizon. Their capture of the Boy Scouts didn't happen overnight, It was predetermined long before that meeting. A key thing about the Left is that they don't call the vote until they know the outcome.
This applies to school boards, church vestries or councils, civic organizations, and to Congress itself.
WE look on the "democratic" vote as the place to start fighting. THEY never stop fighting, and they look at the voting as a ceremony to confirm and to legitimize their victory.
The BSA national organization has slowly been reconfigured, over the past 40 years or so, to permit this outcome. I believe that you will find, when you look into it, that you will not be allowed to elect a board majority to reverse this decision. After all, "the armies of socialism march in only one direction".
And suppose after years of organization, you get a majority that reverses. The lawsuit against you is already drafted. The dissent in BSA v. Dale will certainly become the majority opinion now that the wise Latina and the wiser Kagan are on the Court. Especially since (as I am sure has happened) grants are already in place to fund "studies" all of which are going to show no harm to the "core mission" of BSA, which will undoubtedly, be defined by the "researchers" as part of the grant application process.
The Left is formidable. They are organized, they are persistent, they never flag, they have their eyes on the prize. Now, they are much stronger because they are so close to victory that they can almost taste it.
They are much, much too powerful to be suppressed by peaceful civic organizing and by "democracy".
Their fatal flaw remains that while millions will kill for socialism, few will die for it when push comes to shove.
Best of luck with your efforts - but realize what you are up against, and don' t get discouraged because you've lost this battle already (IMO). It was a battle in a long war that started in 1789 in a foreign place - the very year the Constitution went into effect, it's principal enemy was rising to the East.
Please recognize the war for what it is.
My son’s troop and I are fighting, too. We will keep our troop morally straight.
The members they will lose are the very ones that would vote for reversing the policy. If the God fearing members all leave, the organization will never reverse policy. But there may be an opportunity next summer to reverse the policy, before many members leave.
Your ignorance is near total. I would ask that you become knowledgeable before administering the tar and feathers over an issue you totally misunderstand.
You bitch and moan and writhe in the bliss of total lack of understanding for BSA and operational policies.
There are more pedo adults in churches than in BSA
The cost of lawsuits against them is astronomical.
The question is where do the Mormon's stand? "If" Mormons voted as a block to allow gays, then I'd agree that the organization is dead.
But Mormons have in the past taken a stand against gay marriage. But then Romney called for the scouts to allow gays. So I'm not sure where Mormon's stand on the issue. They may need to clean house of their delegates.
The other question is are Mormon's using their influence in the Scouts to promote Mormonism? That would be a problem too.
That really depends on whether the delegates that voted truly represent their troops. It's entirely possible that gays infiltrated and volunteered to be delegates in order to win the vote. And if the churches respond and weed out these delegates they can reverse this.
It's going to take a lot of troops asking the tough questions and making sure that they are sending the right delegates to reverse this. But it is possible.
Gay Adults - are prohibited from being Scout Leaders.
As a proud homophobe and Cub Scout leader, I have to say that your analysis is flawed and based on a knee jerk reaction.
You mean openly gay adults. That will change soon, the BSA has already moved once and it will again.
Let the BSA die. Then it will be gone. Then there is no fight.
As a “Mormon” Scout Leader .... I don’t know what you are talking about.
The LDS Church has stated after the gay vote that they will stay in scouts. However, they require all of the scouts in our troops both LDS and non-LDS to interview with a bishop and commit to a standard of morality which means no premarital sex.
The vote was 61-39%. There were ‘more than 1460’ delegates. Don’t know if all of them voted, I would think we would have heard about abstentions maybe? Not sure if every unit/charter group sent delegates if they had the option to do so.
You would think that at least some of the Scouting units/charters/whoever who voted against it would give details of the rules. Was it a secret ballot, is there some kind of privacy policy or something about these details.
All the searches I did seem to be drowned out by stories about the controversy, one thing I did see was the policy of the boy scouts for choosing youth delegates, which I assume is something different.
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The parents and leaders of my son's troop were very upset about this decision. It is pretty much understood that we will carry on the best that we can but if an open homosexual tries to joint our group, we will disband rather than comply. I hope that day doesn't come but if so, that will be my family's point of no return.
It is certainly not a "homosexual organization" because of this latest poor decision by the leadership.
Sorry, no can do. After almost 22 years and an Eagle Scout son, I have ceased all financial and donations in kind towards Scouting. I have already submitted my resignation and will continue until our Troop has had either its summer camp or Philmont next year. The committee is aware and many Scouts are desperately trying to get their Eagle before the 1 Jan implementation.
Scouting refused to discipline the queers in Utah who openly defied the Council on uniform wear at the queer “pride” parade. National deceived the rank and file, lied when they claimed they “listened” to the survey results and then somehow, magically, the delegates “voted” to change things anyway. The organization is corrupted to its core.
It was a significant emotional event for me as well. But once I stepped back and took a 30,000 foot look at the program, I realized what had been done, is being done and will be done. Money is where the power lies...Council Board members are almost always selected because of money.
The BSA is a “corporate” entity.
About the only way “corporations” change their board members is when the $$ flow is reduced or stopped.
The program has embraced political correctness at almost every level, it needs to die and another conservative program take its place.
I get the emotional attachment folks have towards Scouting and the nice shiny baubles that they award. But those aren’t the end all be all. There are many other ways to teach and mentor boys into good men.
It’s getting easier to imagine my life without the BSA in it. They keep working to make it easier by their actions and behavior. My values no longer match theirs, time to cut the ties.
Just some of my thoughts on the matter...
Your response, like a good many others on FR is a good reminder of why I went on a FR hiatus for almost a year...may need to revisit that.
Are you or have you been involved in Scouting? Do you have even the slightest clue as to how permeated Scouting is with political correctness?
Scouting has been working towards this goal since the late ‘90s early 2000 timeframe when they introduced Wood Badge for the 21st Century.
Diversity training is compulsory in Scouting. What is diversity except one component of cultural marxism.
Quit carrying the koolaid for the BSA by attacking others who disagree.
You are part and parcel of the problem with the BSA, demanding that principled people compromise their values and morals.
Any compromise with evil is a loss for good.
That’s what we need. We need to understand the rules for selecting delegates and voting. There’s apparently over 80,000 troops. Did only 1460 send delegates? Or are delegates chosen at a counsel level?
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