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Young free-market activist says GOP blowing it with young voters
Billings Gazette ^ | June 9, 2013 | Mike Dennison

Posted on 06/15/2013 10:03:57 AM PDT by 1rudeboy

BOZEMAN – As a 19-year-old who thinks capitalism and free markets have a natural appeal to young people, Charlie Kirk has launched his own organizing group to bring them into the conservative fold.

But Kirk says the Republican Party and free-market candidates are blowing it with youthful voters, by failing to reach out to them and ceding the organizational battleground to the forces of Obama and the left.

“We need to do an honest autopsy of what happened to the Republicans in 2012,” he told Montana Republicans on Saturday at the party’s annual state convention in Bozeman. “The other side had behavioral modeling, what I like to call the 22nd Century campaign. It was unbelievable what they were able to do.”

Superior organization

Members of the GOP audience in Bozeman audibly gasped as Kirk told the tale of two acquaintances who he thought were “potential young Republicans,” but were swayed by the other side’s superior organization.

One was a female fan of pop singer Katy Perry. The woman obtained tickets to a Perry concert after agreeing to march in a gay pride parade last year. The marchers-concert goers also had to give their contact information to an Obama campaign group.

“She went from being uninvolved in March and being a Katy Perry fan to being one of the top community organizers in Chicago for Barack Obama,” Kirk said.

The other was a Latino high school classmate from Colombia, who had talked about his support of a less intrusive government and free markets.

But when the classmate returned to school after summer last year, he was wearing a T-shirt from MoveOn.org, a prominent liberal advocacy group.

Kirk said MoveOn.Org had had a booth outside the ceremony where the classmate and his family became American citizens, spoken to them in Spanish, and invited them to community events. The friend had become an organizer for the group.

“Now, why didn’t any of the organizations on the right have a booth at that swearing-in ceremony?” Kirk said. “There was nothing from our side of the aisle. Those were two young people who were potential young Republicans, who were both scooped up by the machine that the left built.”

Turning Point USA

Kirk, who graduated from high school in the Chicago area last year, said these and other such instances helped push him to found Turning Point USA, a nonprofit group trying to educate young people about the benefits of free markets, capitalism and entrepreneurship.

In an interview Saturday, Kirk said he founded Turning Point USA in part after becoming frustrated with the Young Republicans, whom he labeled as “too bureaucratic” and unwilling to try new approaches.

Turning Point USA’s website offers a mix of student columns, videos, events and the “student debt clock,” which shows students’ share of the national debt. While Kirk is the founder of the youth-centered site, the group has several adult advisers.

Kirk also has launched himself into the world of political punditry, appearing as a guest on national news shows, commenting about the youth vote, and speaking to conservative-leaning groups around the country.

Kirk came to Montana at the invitation of several Republicans who’ve been feuding with party hard-liners, arguing the state GOP needs to appeal to more than just doctrinaire conservatives.

Kirk said he talks to groups about how they can “better brand” capitalism and free markets for young people: “Young people want to be free. They want to be able to make their own decisions. They like to enjoy liberty.”

As for local Republican parties and groups, Kirk suggested they not turn their backs on libertarians or other subsets of the right, and that libertarians – social and economic – should be talking to conservatives about where they can seek common ground.


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To: SeminoleCounty

I appreciate the response. I agree with your take on it. When I see an article that tries to game the topic, I try to jump in. That’s what I believed was happening here, and I’m glad you thought so too.


41 posted on 06/15/2013 12:04:38 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: SeminoleCounty
Exactly...most who hawk “Free Market” today would scream if you took their Big Government Statism away

That doesn't follow. Most who "scream" about the free market also beg Big Government to "protect" them.

42 posted on 06/15/2013 12:05:36 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

Have you given any thought as to how we should stamp-out the scourge of free-market belief among the younger generation?


43 posted on 06/15/2013 12:06:57 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GeronL

GeronL: “Those people were never going to be Republicans if they were marching for Move On and other lefty groups”

I don’t know if that’s true. People are pretty malleable at that age. Many (most) conservatives were once liberal, then reality intruded.


44 posted on 06/15/2013 12:07:25 PM PDT by CitizenUSA (Why celebrate evil? Evil is easy. Good is the goal worth striving for.)
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To: 1rudeboy
I became a Conservative when Reagan was president because his ideas resonated with me. I was a teenager who paid attention to politics. There were no outreaches to black female teenage Christians at the time.

Like the other poster posted, we need articulate Conservative candidates who can resonate with a majority.

45 posted on 06/15/2013 12:10:02 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: SaraJohnson; GeronL; bigfootbob

>> They are liberal-tarians.

Snowden is a Libertarian and seemingly a hero here at FR.

I think it’s a mistake to disregard the young folks that believe they’re best represented by the Libertarian Party.

Let me be clear that I’m not speaking in favor of the Libertarian Platform which is obviously corrupted with an array Leftwing tenets.


46 posted on 06/15/2013 12:13:39 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: RginTN
Which makes the knee-jerk reactions on this thread that much more ironic, and amusing. Should we organize a FR campaign to stamp-out these guys (and gals)?

Turning Point USA

I thought the Meme Gallery was amusing, though the self-promotion was over the top.
47 posted on 06/15/2013 12:15:09 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
Free Market Capitalism

Sounds innocent enough.  I know I spent my life supporting it.  It's the best system around, as long as it is not gamed.  Sadly, over the last twenty years, it has been gamed, to support things that never should have been supported.

In this environment, I am leery of people who hawk it.  It means different things to different people.  It shouldn't but those who object to any criticism of what is done under this label, have contributed to the confusion that exists today.  And that was the goal all along.  It was an avenue to destroy true Free Market Capitalism, or worse yet cause as much damage to our nation as it could under that label.  And that being the case, it caused folks to dismiss Capitalism as the best system around.  That's what the Left does today, and because of folks who front for absolutely anything done under this label, they have a basis for making that argument.  Some folks who have professed to believe in Free Market Capitalism, have done massive damage to it's image.

A lot has been supported under this label.  Not all of it was good.  Some of it was very destructive.  It has been bastardized to a large extent, and that's why I no longer look at this label, stand to attention, click my heels, and salute.  Lots of time these days, it is used to cover a massive amount of subterfuge and deceit.  I need to know more.

This kid is hawked as a supporter of Free Market Capitalism.  As far as that goes, I'm on board.  If it ventures into the area of lopsided trade, unequal markets, massive losses of jobs in the U. S., the undercutting of our citizens, the destruction of our tax base, contributory to the decay of our infrastructure, the demise of R&D and cutting edge technological discoveries in the U. S., and just the opposite of all these things for the world's leading threat to the United States, I'm going to object.  And when I do, I know that I will be attacked by people like you who don't have the mental faculties to grasp what I'm talking about.  No, you'd rather play me off as a Marxist or an anti-Capitalist.

I don't show you any respect, because you don't deserve any.  You seek to prevent people from objecting to our trade with China, which has gifted it with much of our patent database, has provided it a massive income stream, and has brought it forward over fifty years in a matter of twenty, to be a global player against almost all of what our national ideology stands for.

So you go ahead and play the infantile game of slander you little termite.

48 posted on 06/15/2013 12:52:08 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: 1rudeboy
First... the republican party leadership does not understand or believe in Free Markets and Capitalism... they are conspiring with pelosi, reid and obama to shift this republic far to the left. This is not speculation, as 70 Republican Conservative Congressmen and women have stated this and have asked for our help to fight it. I intend to give it my all... whatever I can do to aid them defeat the evil shroud over DC.

Second... we have already performed an autopsy on the 2012 election and it was lost for the following reasons. Since 2000, karl rove has controlled the republican election machine and when he won elections, it was by losing the popular vote the first time and by a thin margin the second time. His losses are mind boggling.

Next, we have a party leadership that has been actively moving the party to the left since the day that Reagan retired and ghw bush was elected... only because he had been Reagan's VP and had promised to continue Reagan's work. He and the party started undoing everything that Reagan had accomplished and 2011 saw rove, gingrich, michael steele and others proclaiming: “The era of Reagan is over”. They thought so at the time... but because of the Conservative backlash they caused with their proclamation, they each to a man had to retract and rationalize “what I was trying to say”. These people have little in difference with the rat party.

Then the gop/e for the fifth time in a row... rammed a progressive “moderate” candidate down our throats... a man (romney) that shared much in common with his opponent... the worst and most progressive president to ever soil the office... and even wrote much of the nation destroying “affordable care act”... a man that had to flip 180 degrees from who he had always been... a man that had to shift 180 degrees from how he governed when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. mitt then claimed Victory in the Iowa Caucus and retracted a week later... but by then the mo had switched from Santorum to romney. Couple that with the manipulation of ballots in certain states (through reince preibus pressuring certain republican SoS)... which ended with keeping the two candidates that were leading romney... off the ballots in those three states.

Lastly, we have the entire federal machine... the NSA... the CIA... THE DOJ etc all conspiring against Conservative organizations and groups... candidates were smeared with allegations born of these illegal surveillance methods... and through voter fraud in many urban areas... and all of this is well documented... and that is why we lost the 2012 election and why we lost to what truly was a very weak candidate... an incumbent that had overseen his first term leading our country into depression and the collapse of America looking to be certain. Anything else claimed is just gazing at belly button fuzz.

LLS

49 posted on 06/15/2013 12:52:20 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (FROM MY COLD, DEAD HANDS!)
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To: DoughtyOne

That’s a fairly long essay, that I regret to admitting I read. I’ll simply add this: piss off, statist . . . some of us are trying to save the country from your ilk.


50 posted on 06/15/2013 12:56:19 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy

You dim bulb. You dig into your trunk for ‘staist’ so you can label me because you can’t refute a word of what I stated.

Rant on you destructive little termite.


51 posted on 06/15/2013 1:03:49 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: DoughtyOne
It is amazing that you have such a weak mind that you would take Milton Friedman's observation (itself not that revolutionary) and think that you are some sort of a visionary:

With some notable exceptions, businessmen favor free enterprise in general but are opposed to it when it comes to themselves.

Seriously, the level of your mental retardation is astounding--that you would "think" to use it to go after me or some young kid who believes in free markets.
52 posted on 06/15/2013 1:09:13 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne

And by the way, I use “statist” as an all-encompassing term. One that refers to people who run crying to the government to help them, much like babies who cry for milk.


53 posted on 06/15/2013 1:12:37 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: GOPJ

Agreed. They always concern-troll us, we can do it right back.


54 posted on 06/15/2013 1:15:39 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: CitizenUSA

I was never liberal. I certainly wasn’t far from it in high school and college, but I was never a moonbat.


55 posted on 06/15/2013 1:19:16 PM PDT by darkangel82
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To: darkangel82
Why would you label someone a "concern troll" because you disagree with him? Granted, he might be . . . I know little about him . . . but do you seriously get the "concern troll" vibe when you visit the website?
56 posted on 06/15/2013 1:20:34 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: 1rudeboy
That’s a fairly long essay, that I regret to admitting I read. I’ll simply add this: piss off, statist... some of us are trying to save the country from your ilk.  LINK

Tell you what Sparky, when you can prove that you can comprehend thoughts expressed in the English language, come on back and engage me.  Until then, I'll consider my term 'termite' to be very fitting, because what you have fronted for under the label Free Market Capitalism has eaten away at the underpinnings of our nation, and severely harmed it.  Strangely enough, during the decades we decided to send our manufacturing to China and outsource jobs, our nation stopped producing an average of over seven million jobs every four years.  The average for 12 years was normally around 20.5 million.  The last twelve years, we have increased our number of jobs by 1.73%.  On average over the last 40 ending in 2001, that average was over 28%.

We presently have close to 133 million people employed in the United States.  From 1961 to 2001, we added on average about 7.7 million jobs every four years.  After 2001, and the full impact of our outsourcing took hold, we have added a paultry 1.73% of jobs in 12 years.  We should have 175 million jobs in the U. S. today.  Thats 42 million more than we have.  The only thing that could have impacted our jobs creation this negatively was the outsourcing.

Please!  Stop trying to save our country so much from people like me, I beg of you.

Ilk?  I think you've got some on your chin.


LINK to the following nonsense:

It is amazing that you have such a weak mind that you would take Milton Friedman's observation (itself not that revolutionary) and think that you are some sort of a visionary:

I don't read Friedman.  Wrong again.

With some notable exceptions, businessmen favor free enterprise in general but are opposed to it when it comes to themselves.

Wow, the relevance of this comment to our discussion is just..., well..., non-existent.

Seriously, the level of your mental retardation is astounding--that you would "think" to use it to go after me or some young kid who believes in free markets.

Told you up thread why I don't necessarily take the label Free Market Capitalism to mean what it used to.  I realize you don't want to acknowledge that, because I nailed you right between the eyes with that point.

Flailing again...


Retardation... seriously.  What a hoot.

57 posted on 06/15/2013 1:31:58 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: 1rudeboy

Ah yes, but running to the government for tax breaks for corporations that move jobs overseas isn’t statism huh?

Yeah, I know...


58 posted on 06/15/2013 1:33:37 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (Now playing... [ * * * Manchurian Candidate * * * ], limited engagement, 8 years...)
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To: DoughtyOne
Try to mouth-out the following words as you read them: I'm not the guy to whom you were responding when you claimed that you did (really, you were responding to someone in your imagination), this thread is not about China (again, a figment of your imagination), and I sure as hell not have claimed anything about China and "free-markets" that you think I have (again, just another product of your imagination).

So take your comment about the English Language, and stuff it. Or learn it.

59 posted on 06/15/2013 1:39:41 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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To: DoughtyOne
tax breaks for corporations that move jobs overseas

Cute, I remember that one. Obama, in 2012, right? During one of the debates?

60 posted on 06/15/2013 1:41:42 PM PDT by 1rudeboy
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