Young free-market activist says GOP blowing it with young voters

Billings Gazette ^ | June 9, 2013 | Mike Dennison

[DoughtyOne]

I appreciate the response. I agree with your take on it. When I see an article that tries to game the topic, I try to jump in. That’s what I believed was happening here, and I’m glad you thought so too.

[1rudeboy]

Exactly...most who hawk “Free Market” today would scream if you took their Big Government Statism away

That doesn't follow. Most who "scream" about the free market also beg Big Government to "protect" them.

[1rudeboy]

Have you given any thought as to how we should stamp-out the scourge of free-market belief among the younger generation?

[CitizenUSA]

GeronL: “Those people were never going to be Republicans if they were marching for Move On and other lefty groups”

I don’t know if that’s true. People are pretty malleable at that age. Many (most) conservatives were once liberal, then reality intruded.

[RginTN]

I became a Conservative when Reagan was president because his ideas resonated with me. I was a teenager who paid attention to politics. There were no outreaches to black female teenage Christians at the time.

Like the other poster posted, we need articulate Conservative candidates who can resonate with a majority.

[Gene Eric]

>> They are liberal-tarians.

Snowden is a Libertarian and seemingly a hero here at FR.

I think it’s a mistake to disregard the young folks that believe they’re best represented by the Libertarian Party.

Let me be clear that I’m not speaking in favor of the Libertarian Platform which is obviously corrupted with an array Leftwing tenets.

[1rudeboy]

Which makes the knee-jerk reactions on this thread that much more ironic, and amusing. Should we organize a FR campaign to stamp-out these guys (and gals)?

Turning Point USA

I thought the Meme Gallery was amusing, though the self-promotion was over the top.

[DoughtyOne]

Free Market Capitalism

Sounds innocent enough.  I know I spent my life supporting it.  It's the best system around, as long as it is not gamed.  Sadly, over the last twenty years, it has been gamed, to support things that never should have been supported.

In this environment, I am leery of people who hawk it.  It means different things to different people.  It shouldn't but those who object to any criticism of what is done under this label, have contributed to the confusion that exists today.  And that was the goal all along.  It was an avenue to destroy true Free Market Capitalism, or worse yet cause as much damage to our nation as it could under that label.  And that being the case, it caused folks to dismiss Capitalism as the best system around.  That's what the Left does today, and because of folks who front for absolutely anything done under this label, they have a basis for making that argument.  Some folks who have professed to believe in Free Market Capitalism, have done massive damage to it's image.

A lot has been supported under this label.  Not all of it was good.  Some of it was very destructive.  It has been bastardized to a large extent, and that's why I no longer look at this label, stand to attention, click my heels, and salute.  Lots of time these days, it is used to cover a massive amount of subterfuge and deceit.  I need to know more.

This kid is hawked as a supporter of Free Market Capitalism.  As far as that goes, I'm on board.  If it ventures into the area of lopsided trade, unequal markets, massive losses of jobs in the U. S., the undercutting of our citizens, the destruction of our tax base, contributory to the decay of our infrastructure, the demise of R&D and cutting edge technological discoveries in the U. S., and just the opposite of all these things for the world's leading threat to the United States, I'm going to object.  And when I do, I know that I will be attacked by people like you who don't have the mental faculties to grasp what I'm talking about.  No, you'd rather play me off as a Marxist or an anti-Capitalist.

I don't show you any respect, because you don't deserve any.  You seek to prevent people from objecting to our trade with China, which has gifted it with much of our patent database, has provided it a massive income stream, and has brought it forward over fifty years in a matter of twenty, to be a global player against almost all of what our national ideology stands for.

So you go ahead and play the infantile game of slander you little termite.

[LibLieSlayer]

First... the republican party leadership does not understand or believe in Free Markets and Capitalism... they are conspiring with pelosi, reid and obama to shift this republic far to the left. This is not speculation, as 70 Republican Conservative Congressmen and women have stated this and have asked for our help to fight it. I intend to give it my all... whatever I can do to aid them defeat the evil shroud over DC.

Second... we have already performed an autopsy on the 2012 election and it was lost for the following reasons. Since 2000, karl rove has controlled the republican election machine and when he won elections, it was by losing the popular vote the first time and by a thin margin the second time. His losses are mind boggling.

Next, we have a party leadership that has been actively moving the party to the left since the day that Reagan retired and ghw bush was elected... only because he had been Reagan's VP and had promised to continue Reagan's work. He and the party started undoing everything that Reagan had accomplished and 2011 saw rove, gingrich, michael steele and others proclaiming: “The era of Reagan is over”. They thought so at the time... but because of the Conservative backlash they caused with their proclamation, they each to a man had to retract and rationalize “what I was trying to say”. These people have little in difference with the rat party.

Then the gop/e for the fifth time in a row... rammed a progressive “moderate” candidate down our throats... a man (romney) that shared much in common with his opponent... the worst and most progressive president to ever soil the office... and even wrote much of the nation destroying “affordable care act”... a man that had to flip 180 degrees from who he had always been... a man that had to shift 180 degrees from how he governed when he was the Governor of Massachusetts. mitt then claimed Victory in the Iowa Caucus and retracted a week later... but by then the mo had switched from Santorum to romney. Couple that with the manipulation of ballots in certain states (through reince preibus pressuring certain republican SoS)... which ended with keeping the two candidates that were leading romney... off the ballots in those three states.

Lastly, we have the entire federal machine... the NSA... the CIA... THE DOJ etc all conspiring against Conservative organizations and groups... candidates were smeared with allegations born of these illegal surveillance methods... and through voter fraud in many urban areas... and all of this is well documented... and that is why we lost the 2012 election and why we lost to what truly was a very weak candidate... an incumbent that had overseen his first term leading our country into depression and the collapse of America looking to be certain. Anything else claimed is just gazing at belly button fuzz.

LLS

[1rudeboy]

That’s a fairly long essay, that I regret to admitting I read. I’ll simply add this: piss off, statist . . . some of us are trying to save the country from your ilk.

[DoughtyOne]

You dim bulb. You dig into your trunk for ‘staist’ so you can label me because you can’t refute a word of what I stated.

Rant on you destructive little termite.

[1rudeboy]

It is amazing that you have such a weak mind that you would take Milton Friedman's observation (itself not that revolutionary) and think that you are some sort of a visionary:

With some notable exceptions, businessmen favor free enterprise in general but are opposed to it when it comes to themselves.

Seriously, the level of your mental retardation is astounding--that you would "think" to use it to go after me or some young kid who believes in free markets.

[1rudeboy]

And by the way, I use “statist” as an all-encompassing term. One that refers to people who run crying to the government to help them, much like babies who cry for milk.

[darkangel82]

Agreed. They always concern-troll us, we can do it right back.

[darkangel82]

I was never liberal. I certainly wasn’t far from it in high school and college, but I was never a moonbat.

[1rudeboy]

Why would you label someone a "concern troll" because you disagree with him? Granted, he might be . . . I know little about him . . . but do you seriously get the "concern troll" vibe when you visit the website?

[DoughtyOne]

That’s a fairly long essay, that I regret to admitting I read. I’ll simply add this: piss off, statist... some of us are trying to save the country from your ilk.  LINK

Tell you what Sparky, when you can prove that you can comprehend thoughts expressed in the English language, come on back and engage me.  Until then, I'll consider my term 'termite' to be very fitting, because what you have fronted for under the label Free Market Capitalism has eaten away at the underpinnings of our nation, and severely harmed it.  Strangely enough, during the decades we decided to send our manufacturing to China and outsource jobs, our nation stopped producing an average of over seven million jobs every four years.  The average for 12 years was normally around 20.5 million.  The last twelve years, we have increased our number of jobs by 1.73%.  On average over the last 40 ending in 2001, that average was over 28%.

We presently have close to 133 million people employed in the United States.  From 1961 to 2001, we added on average about 7.7 million jobs every four years.  After 2001, and the full impact of our outsourcing took hold, we have added a paultry 1.73% of jobs in 12 years.  We should have 175 million jobs in the U. S. today.  Thats 42 million more than we have.  The only thing that could have impacted our jobs creation this negatively was the outsourcing.

Please!  Stop trying to save our country so much from people like me, I beg of you.

Ilk?  I think you've got some on your chin.

LINK to the following nonsense:

It is amazing that you have such a weak mind that you would take Milton Friedman's observation (itself not that revolutionary) and think that you are some sort of a visionary:

I don't read Friedman.  Wrong again.

With some notable exceptions, businessmen favor free enterprise in general but are opposed to it when it comes to themselves.

Wow, the relevance of this comment to our discussion is just..., well..., non-existent.

Seriously, the level of your mental retardation is astounding--that you would "think" to use it to go after me or some young kid who believes in free markets.

Told you up thread why I don't necessarily take the label Free Market Capitalism to mean what it used to.  I realize you don't want to acknowledge that, because I nailed you right between the eyes with that point.

Flailing again...

Retardation... seriously.  What a hoot.

[DoughtyOne]

Ah yes, but running to the government for tax breaks for corporations that move jobs overseas isn’t statism huh?

Yeah, I know...

[1rudeboy]

Try to mouth-out the following words as you read them: I'm not the guy to whom you were responding when you claimed that you did (really, you were responding to someone in your imagination), this thread is not about China (again, a figment of your imagination), and I sure as hell not have claimed anything about China and "free-markets" that you think I have (again, just another product of your imagination).

So take your comment about the English Language, and stuff it. Or learn it.

[1rudeboy]

tax breaks for corporations that move jobs overseas

Cute, I remember that one. Obama, in 2012, right? During one of the debates?