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Posted on 06/21/2013 4:47:40 AM PDT by Islander7
The Guardian has done it once again, this time presenting two July 2009 documents signed by none other than Eric Holder which lay out under what conditions the NSA is allowed to make use of information "inadvertently" collected from domestic US communications without a warrant. The documents detail the procedures the NSA is required to follow to target "non-US persons" under its foreign intelligence powers and what the agency does to minimize data collected on US citizens and residents in the course of that surveillance. "The documents show that even under authorities governing the collection of foreign intelligence from foreign targets, US communications can still be collected, retained and used."
(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...
FAA warrants are issued by the Fisa court for up to 12 months at a time, and authorise the collection of bulk information – some of which can include communications of US citizens, or people inside the US. To intentionally target either of those groups requires an individual warrant.
One such warrant seen by the Guardian shows that they do not contain detailed legal rulings or explanation. Instead, the one-paragraph order, signed by a Fisa court judge in 2010, declares that the procedures submitted by the attorney general on behalf of the NSA are consistent with US law and the fourth amendment.
RUT ROH!!! Now what’s going to be DONE about it????
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I have no problem as long as the target has a foreign component. However, without a foreign connection, for only US to US secret surveillance, I am furious.
Mmmm mmmm mmm ping
How they gonna get out of this one ?
It is not “inadvertent” collection when you order the companies to provide it. It is not “inadvertent” collection when you force providers to port over all traffic through specially set servers of all traffic they process. It is not “inadvertent” collection when you build (and have built for decades) massive RF collection farms that gather ALL planet-wide EM transmission.
It is not “inadvertent” anything. I don’t care if this ‘process’ does some good. They haven’t proven it to me conclusively. They are egregiously violating our privacy rights, period.
They aren’t building that massive mega memory Death Star out in Utah to store frigging metadata...you’d be a fool to believe so.
Holder, again.
This time with signatures as evidence.
Will Big Leftist Media report it? Probably not, might make Obama and the Democrats look bad.
Yeah, discussed this with my wife last night and yours and my opinions regarding this program are in sync. My wife does not care about the domestic surveilance and I cannot spark her interest with arguments about the 4th amendment and privacy concerns. IMO, I don’t wish to give the government any leeway because once you give them an inch, they take the whole yard eventually.
Eric Holder will be asked to review the policy. That's a longer way of saying "nothing."
Keep data that could potentially contain details of US persons for up to five years;
Retain and make use of “inadvertently acquired” domestic communications if they contain usable intelligence, information on criminal activity, threat of harm to people or property, are encrypted, or are believed to contain any information relevant to cybersecurity;
Preserve “foreign intelligence information” contained within attorney-client communications;
Access the content of communications gathered from “U.S. based machine[s]” or phone numbers in order to establish if targets are located in the US, for the purposes of ceasing further surveillance.
Basically - collect on anyone and everyone - we’ll figure it out later!
You have done some great work here and I wanted to thank you. I read most of your posts.
I was thinking last night about a couple of things. It appears our Gov has been gathering every company secret they want to obtain. Think about how much fund raising you can do in the commerce dept with this info. Gives a whole new meaning to the term trade mission.
The NSA reports to the Defense Intelligence Agency (DIA). The DIA reports to the US Congress, the secretary of defense, the joint chiefs and others in the intelligence community.
If this Holder document is fact, then we have a big bunch of traitors throughout the federal government who allowed this.
Think about what you said in relationship to Gibson Guitars. Martin guitars are big contributors to 0. So do you pay to have your competitor hassled/eliminated etc
It’s typical pay-to-play. Was going to say Chicago. But it’s in most big cities. Google. Philly Loop Enterprise ( owned by Mo bro) Street. There’s a case that should have kept Sen B who ended up in 0 seat out of town. He was being paid $5000/wk by loop. Guess they made final payment with his appointment
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Pyops 101, to influence emotions, motives, objective reasoning, and ultimately the behavior of a population.
This whole exposure of the massive NSA spying on Americans is meant to be made public because the masses are now being pressed into a paranoiac state of mind which induces fear and confusion.
The design is to instill in our minds that every waking day, everything we say, everything we do, everywhere we go is under surveillance.
Think this answers the question I asked about initial document authorizing US snooping and who signed it.
Congress should be doing their own snooping!
Clinton was known to have used the CIA to gather trade secrets from business in foreign countries and provide that info to business in this country that supported him.
A couple questions slightly off topic, but relevant. When did Congress create an O-10 (4 star General) billet for the Army’s senior Intel officer? As the Army’s first 4 star intel officer’s promotion, why was it kept under wraps? Has the AF, Marine Corps, or Navy been authorized a 4 star billet?
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