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Lincoln on the Defensive
http://spectator.org ^ | June 20 2013 | By CHRISTOPHER ORLET

Posted on 06/23/2013 5:55:07 PM PDT by Para-Ord.45

From the time Abraham Lincoln entered the White House nearly a century and a half ago, there has been an anti-Lincoln tradition in American life. President John Tyler’s son, writing in 1932, seemed to speak for a silent minority: “I think he was a bad man,” wrote Lyon Gardiner Tyler, “a man who forced the country into an unnecessary war and conducted it with great inhumanity.”

Throughout his presidency Lincoln was surrounded by rivals, even among his own cabinet. Outside the White House, his many enemies included conservative Whigs, Democrats, northern copperheads and New England abolitionists. Wisconsin editor, Marcus M. Pomeroy, sniped that Lincoln was a

“worse tyrant and more inhuman butcher than has existed since the days of Nero.”

Shortly before his reelection Pomeroy added: “The man who votes for Lincoln now is a traitor and murderer.… And if he is elected to misgovern for another four years, we trust some bold hand will pierce his heart with dagger point for the public good.”

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To: theoldmarine

Yes Lincoln was told that Ft. Sumter would be left alone even tho it was blocking the main harbor of the Confederacy. He was told that they would not be fired upon unless the Union tried to reinforce it.

Lincoln whose call for 75,000 volunteers could have had no other meaning than he was going to attack the South, immediately ordered the Star of the West to resupply Ft. Sumter in order to start a war he wanted.

BTW to all those jackasses who like to point out how the North whipped the South. At the end, there were twice as many dead Yankees as Confederates. Some whipping. They simply overwhelmed the South with numbers. Not all Yankees are so rude but there always are some.


41 posted on 06/23/2013 8:54:53 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: rockrr
The confeds went to war against the north and Lincoln had the temerity to fight back.

And they went to war for one and only one reason. For their "right" to expand their system of keeping other people in bondage, and to expand that "right" to the greatest territorial extent that they could.

In 1860, slavery was big money. Just like government is today. Cross slavery then, and you get slapped hard. Cross big government today, and watch out for the IRS.

42 posted on 06/23/2013 8:55:28 PM PDT by Ditto
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To: yarddog
Lincoln whose call for 75,000 volunteers could have had no other meaning than he was going to attack the South, immediately ordered the Star of the West to resupply Ft. Sumter in order to start a war he wanted.

Except the true meaning which was that the belligerents had already shown their murderous intent by waging war against their neighbor states and he, like any reasonable leader, needed to do his duty to defend his country.

It was the slavrocracy who wanted war - and got it.

43 posted on 06/23/2013 8:59:29 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: central_va

Some slave owners or overseers were sadists, and derived sexual pleasure from abusing their slaves. See RE Lee, known as a cruel slave master before the civil war. He seemed to have a particular interest, to say the least, in young female slaves. Jeff Davis also fathered at least one of his slaves.

Horses up to 2500 lbs are routinely controlled with small whips, despite their value. Whipping a horse or a slave was not considered abuse. Raping a slave was not considered abuse. Selling a slave woman’s child was not considered abuse.


44 posted on 06/23/2013 9:00:01 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Slave catchers would also kidnap white men and women, and could find friendly or corrupt judges to create papers consigning captured persons to perpetual slavery.

Arlington was known for having many white slaves.


45 posted on 06/23/2013 9:02:14 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

The only way to reply to a liar and a particularly stupid one is to say: “You are a Liar”.


46 posted on 06/23/2013 9:03:03 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: central_va

More southern whites than blacks were sharecroppers. Were they also unfit for freedom?


47 posted on 06/23/2013 9:06:31 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: yarddog

So, if Lincoln’s call for 75,000 volunteers meant he was going to attack the south, what did Jeff Davis’ call for 100,000 men mean? By your logic, he was certainly going to attack the US.


48 posted on 06/23/2013 9:09:08 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: Para-Ord.45
The problem with secession was that it was based upon the untenable claim that citizens of the United States living in the South could be deprived of their rights as citizens of the United States. "We the people" formed political bonds with one another by way of a written Constitution that guarantees each of us certain rights as citizens of the United States. No state or local government has the power to sever the bonds that American citizens have with one another.

Lincoln had no choice but to protect the American citizens living in the South from the attempt by secessionists to deprive these folks of their rights as American citizens. And, in terms of public relations, the secessionists totally fumbled the ball by claiming that their behavior was for the purpose of protecting their "right" to own other people.

Yes, it was all so unnecessary.

49 posted on 06/23/2013 9:10:58 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: 0.E.O

There were some attempts to prepare some slaves for freedom.

Few, and rare, but some. In New Jersey slaves below a certain age had been legally converted to apprentices, to be freed after completion of their term of apprenticeship. Slaves over a certain age were converted to permanent apprentices. In 1860 New Jersey had a total of 18 ‘permanent apprentices, and so, by come ways of counting, could be considered one of the slave states.


50 posted on 06/23/2013 9:14:01 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: yarddog

Send your post to the liar. Don’t comment on it to me. Unless you don’t have enough courage to make your claim and back it up.


51 posted on 06/23/2013 9:15:56 PM PDT by donmeaker (Blunderbuss: A short weapon, ... now superceded in civilized countries by more advanced weaponry.)
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To: donmeaker

Your lies were not only outrageous they were also despicable in that you claimed RE Lee mistreated his slaves.. As a matter of fact Lee freed his slaves or actually his wifes slaves. One of the slaves who stayed on not as a slave but as a worker spoke the most high praise of Lee. In fact I think he said that Lee was the best man he had ever known.


52 posted on 06/23/2013 9:22:54 PM PDT by yarddog (There Are Three Things That Remain--Faith, Hope, and Love--and,the Greatest of These is Love..)
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To: jdege

He was a degenerate mass murderer and tyrant who is directly responsible for the fact that all working men are today slaves to the federal government.


53 posted on 06/23/2013 9:23:03 PM PDT by Rome2000 (THE WASHINGTONIANS AND UNIVERSAL SUFFRAGE ARE THE ENEMY -ROTATE THE CAPITAL AMONGST THE STATES)
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To: Rome2000

Who, jeff davis?


54 posted on 06/23/2013 9:25:48 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: donmeaker

Africa was such a horrible place to live that many Africans volunteered to come to America as slaves. The problem was that some of their descendants wanted out of the deal.


55 posted on 06/23/2013 9:47:45 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Venturer

in that case it would have still existed and exist in different forms and for different reasons.


56 posted on 06/23/2013 9:58:07 PM PDT by TheGunny
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To: yarddog

donmeaker is sick individual and needs help. He is an embarrassment to the Free Republic Lincoln Coven who I think cringe at his psychotic rantings and view him as a “crazy uncle”.


57 posted on 06/24/2013 2:23:16 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: donmeaker
More southern whites than blacks were sharecroppers. Were they also unfit for freedom?

No, but you are unfit. You are only good at licking the bottom of a federal boot and telling me how great tyranny tastes.

58 posted on 06/24/2013 2:32:28 AM PDT by central_va (I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: central_va

So you go from “almost all slave holders took out life insurance policies on there slaves” to “a smattering of reported cases about life insurance upon slaves”. A bit of a difference, don’t you think?


59 posted on 06/24/2013 3:39:27 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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To: Phosgood
Joethedrummer. suggest you check out a little background on the Sumner event besides lapping up Ken Burns version without question.

Why not enlighten us?

60 posted on 06/24/2013 3:40:48 AM PDT by 0.E.O
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