Your 4th Amendment Rights and NSA Wide Pipe Snooping of your private communications.

Vanity | 6/25/2013 | Vendome

[Vendome]

So I stop werking for a minute to peruse the news and see all this baloney about SnowJob.

Forget this shinny object but, direct your attention to what has been revealed in this whole affair and confirmed by your government.

Thought: Can the government obtain a warrant, using "Reasonable Cause", to name a subject and an object or objects and a place where they believe the evidence they are looking for may likely be and then search not only your apartment but, the whole apartment complex, rifling through innocent peoples private communications and then, and then! Finally, after collecting all the communications from the Whole Building start storing, cataloging and even listening to or reading your private property and communications?

[Vendome]

I may not answer this thread but, I have posted other analogies on the subject of the government's use of "Whole Pipe Access" to sweep a communications companies customers transmission and thought:

Well, how is this any different than an Apartment building and why shouldn't they be allowed to apply the same rules.

Of course, I think their reasoning is bogus and outside the realm of reason and reasonable interpretation of the Constitution but, I want people to understand what the government has done here, for several years.

Where does the government derive its authority and avarice for ever more power to validate not only it's existence but, that of the bureaucrats who need more power to give them relevancy?

What is the demarcation of your rights, Unalienable or Inalienable and how do you come to your decision?

If you can't explain both, then anything you say on this thread is invalid.

I will post a bird on my head to prove it.

[SERKIT]

I only werk when in Germany.

[Jeff Head]

Snowden pointed out what the government is doing, and capable of doing.

Now this administration and the MSM are focusing on him to avoid focusing on even more detailed and notworthy reveleation that have come out since.

The fact is, they are abjectly violating their own oaths to the Constitution and its amendments. There is no probable cause...there can be no blanket probable cause to justify what they are doing. They would require individual warrants, backed up by probable cause of law breaking or intent to break laws for each and every one of the people they collect data and perosnal effects on to justify their own violations...and they simply do not, and cannot have it.

So, what Snowden did was open the can of wors, and now they hope to use him to limit the damage by focusing on him and generating sensationalism around "the hunt," for him..

SNODWDEN, PRISM, AND THE NSA

One thing Snowden did do, that our citizenry needs to be more aware of, and be informed of, is to start a chain of events where even more people are coming forward with even more damning evidence.

Former Director of NSA Intelligence reveals the full extent of PRISM capabilities. MUST SEE!

Another William Benny interview about PRISM and the NSA

[Vendome]

Zactly!

[Vendome]

Das Recht...

[Wolfie]

I live this stuff. He’s a hero. He’s a traitor. Back and forth we go on Snowden.

[goodnesswins]

Hope Binney wears a bullet proof vest...

[Uncle Miltie]

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

PRISM violated the bolded items of the Fourth Amendment.

Papers = Internet communications and desiderata. The Internet is the "Paper" of today.

"Unreasonable" = Nobody should think that searching and seizing essentially EVERYTHING is "reasonable". The Founders wouldn't have thought that reading every single bit of the mails was reasonable, and we shouldn't either.

"Probable Cause" = There is NOT probable cause against an individual or his class of communications when you are sweeping up the entire Internet. What you have is IMPROBABLE NON-Cause.

"Oath or Affirmation" = Nobody is claiming that individuals, classes, or types of targeted information is being swept up for particular purposes. Indeed, the entire effort is justified because it is NOT specific. WHO exactly is swearing an Oath or Affirmation that sweeping up the whole of the Internet is required to reasonably support a probable cause search? Answer: Nobody.

"Particularly" = Sweeping the whole of the Internet is precisely NOT particular. It is precisely the antithesis of the Fourth Amendment requirement. It is GENERAL. Think about that: A GENERAL Warrant to snoop.

The Establishment has found a way to consume everything about everybody which can be used to permanently secure their superiority over each and every citizen particularly, viciously, and permanently.

Revolutions are made of less.

[Political Junkie Too]

While I agree with your point, I think the analogy is imprecise.

It's more like the government decides to record all the information in the apartment now just in case there is a crime there in the future; and if so, then they will go back and review the previously recorded information.

-PJ

[yefragetuwrabrumuy]

I’d like to point out that the NSA is not unique in doing this.

The FBI directly monitors email and electronic communications, originally through their CARNIVORE system, but now using better, commercial software, such as NarusInsight, made by Narus, a wholly owned subsidiary of Boeing.

The FBI and Secret Service also have access to the commercial systems data stream, based in CALEA, the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (1994), which creates back doors in communications and Internet companies, allowing federal agencies to monitor all telephone, broadband internet, and VoIP traffic in real-time.

Most likely, the FBI and Secret Service get their data from one of the 72 (known) Homeland Security “Fusion Centers” in the US. They are used for information sharing at the federal level between agencies such as the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), U.S. Department of Justice, U.S. military, and state- and local-level government.

They could also get their data from:

ADVISE (Analysis, Dissemination, Visualization, Insight, and Semantic Enhancement), a massive data mining system run by the DHS.

PRISM - Finally the NSA gets involved. (PRISM is a government codename for a data collection effort known officially as US-984XN.)

“Other systems”, run by the 100+ federal police agencies, or the other 15 major US intelligence agencies. There are lots of these.

Oh, and guess what? The non-police and non-intelligence related federal agencies keep their own databases and dossiers of personal information of US citizens, as well as engage in intelligence gathering activities.

[OneWingedShark]

Where does the government derive its authority and avarice for ever more power to validate not only it's existence but, that of the bureaucrats who need more power to give them relevancy?

Guns, and the will to use them.

[Vendome]

Zactly

Schindlers List.

1939

[Vendome]

Uhmmmmmm :

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