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A CONSERVATIVE WARNING ON IMMIGRATION REFORM: Tancredo says Republicans have little to gain...
National Journal ^ | June 27, 2013 | Reid Wilson

Posted on 06/27/2013 1:59:34 PM PDT by beaversmom

Former Rep. Tom Tancredo can see it coming: Even if the House passes a perfectly conservative bill to reform the nation's immigration system, the Senate Gang of Eight will water it down in a conference committee and leave Republicans little choice but to get rolled and vote for a bill they don't like.

His advice to his former colleagues: Don't bring up a bill at all.

"Where is this national push? Are people rioting in the streets for immigration reform? It's so odd in a way that it has achieved this level of attention and involvement," Tancredo said in an interview Wednesday. "I would be hesitant to bring up any bill simply because of what would happen in a conference committee."

House Speaker Boehner said Thursday that any bill to hit the House floor would need support from a majority of the Republican Conference, both before and after a conference committee. But Tancredo, who made his name in Washington as an anti-illegal immigration crusader, said he didn't trust Boehner to appoint the right members to the bicameral panel tasked with reconciling the two bills.

"A bill comes from the Senate. It's lousy. The Republicans go 'Oh, this is terrible, so we'll write our own bill.' And it'll be a much better bill. It goes to conference and [Boehner] appoints squishy Republicans to the conference committee. The bill comes back looking just like the Senate bill, or something pretty close. A whole bunch of Republicans can drop off at that point, going, 'Oh, this is terrible.' But they'll have enough squishes to join with Dems to pass it," Tancredo said.

And Tancredo isn't buying the often-made argument that passing immigration reform would be good politics for the GOP. Just look, he says, at the messenger.

"The purpose is political, of course, everybody knows that. It is to increase the number of Democrats that will be available to that party to turn into voters. The idea that this is somehow going to help Republicans is crazy," he said. "I'd love to be at this table, right, when you have [Sen. Chuck] Schumer and [Sen. Bob] Menendez saying, 'You know what you guys, we've got this great bill, and it's going to help you win a presidential election.'"

"Who believes this shit? Who in the world falls for this? So the question is, why are you doing this? You can't be that stupid. I don't believe [Sen. Marco] Rubio is naive. So if you're not naive, what is it? Duplicitous? For what purpose? Maybe you feel you have a niche that you're going to try to get in for a presidential campaign," he added. "The idea that they're doing anything that would benefit Republicans in the long run is ludicrous. Hispanics vote for Democrats for exactly the same reason that other people vote for Democrats: They want ObamaPhones! They want big government! It's got nothing to do with immigration!"

Tancredo is making his second bid to win the governor's mansion in Colorado, the state he represented in Congress for five terms. But he's keeping his eye on the immigration fight in Washington; Tancredo said he had spoken several times with Rep. Steve King, a longtime ally who is leading the House opposition to an immigration reform bill.

During the interview, in which he laid out his case against Democratic Gov. John Hickenlooper, Tancredo said he would maintain his focus on immigration while talking up the importance of education. And while Democrats will attempt to pillory him as an anti-immigrant, anti-Hispanic zealot, Tancredo says he's ready to push back.

"The first thing you have to do is to disabuse people of the notion that your position on immigration has anything to do with race or ethnicity. It doesn't, it never has. They can search every word I have ever uttered on this subject, and there are a lot. Anything I've ever written, and there's tons," he said. "I don't have a Paula Deen moment out there."


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1 posted on 06/27/2013 1:59:34 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

That is exactly the Harry Reid of handling House Bills: Let it die.

This one need to be dead for a long time to come.


2 posted on 06/27/2013 2:01:48 PM PDT by bestintxas (Anyone who votes for Obama after these 4 miserable years needs to take a mandatory citizenship test.)
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To: beaversmom

More like “EVERYTHING TO LOSE”!!!


3 posted on 06/27/2013 2:02:08 PM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: beaversmom

I’ve wondered this many times. Tancredo has eyes.


4 posted on 06/27/2013 2:02:26 PM PDT by Beowulf9
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To: beaversmom

yep, nothing ... nothing to gain.


5 posted on 06/27/2013 2:03:37 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: beaversmom

I think the house should take an early and long summer recess without voting on it.


6 posted on 06/27/2013 2:03:58 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: beaversmom

“Where is this national push?”

From the OBL corporatists clamoring for cheap labor and the Democrat constituency lobby trying to finally drive a stake through the heart of the middle class.


7 posted on 06/27/2013 2:04:17 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: beaversmom
"The first thing you have to do is to disabuse people of the notion that your position on immigration has anything to do with race or ethnicity. It doesn't, it never has. They can search every word I have ever uttered on this subject, and there are a lot. Anything I've ever written, and there's tons," he said. "I don't have a Paula Deen moment out there."

Kudos to Tanc for fighting back. The Paula Deen Moment reference is funny ;)

8 posted on 06/27/2013 2:04:32 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: laplata

ping


9 posted on 06/27/2013 2:04:51 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

The GOP-e desperately wants to be in the permanent minority and act as a bulwark against conservatives. By appearing a little less socialist than the Dems, they have kept conservatives on the plantation and have prevented conservatives from organizing their own movement. It is clear that the GOP-e is consciously and actively working for the international Left.


10 posted on 06/27/2013 2:08:02 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est.)
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To: beaversmom
Don't bring up a bill at all

Kill the bill. Move on to an equally controversial bill such as another DOMA, Tax relief, etc.

11 posted on 06/27/2013 2:08:21 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: beaversmom

I agree with Tancredo. Nothing good for Republicans can come out of this bill. If they just vote on THIS bill, they will be portrayed by the media as...wait for it...RAAAACIST. If they do their own bill, then I can see what Tancredo says coming to fruition.

Their best play is “Immigration bill...WHAT Immigration bill?”.


12 posted on 06/27/2013 2:08:31 PM PDT by woweeitsme
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To: beaversmom

Look guys the Gang of Eight are merely trying to extend the same rights and privileges that have been extended to our illegal alien President. Is that to much to ask?


13 posted on 06/27/2013 2:09:19 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: beaversmom; Jane Long; All

Our tolerance for debt-based welfare to immigrants is equal to our tolerance for the debt that we are willing to pass onto our children and grandchildren.

Reduce our tolerance for debt-based Federal Programs, and our tolerance for immigration will also be reduced.

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Our Southern Border is under the control of Mexican Drug Gangs. An illegal attempt by AG Holder to challenge their grip failed with Fast and Furious.

Obama has allowed INS officials to increase the number of “got-aways” and to decrease the number of illegal alien invaders actually caught.

Gullible News outlets, such as The Wall Street Journal routinely run articles quoting Obamanation statistics that numbers of captured illegal alien invaders are down, and thus there is no such thing as the surge of illegal alien invaders from Mexico and other Southern Hemisphere Socialist Countries.

Most News outlets refuse to come to our Southern Border to document their obviously false assertions.

Most State Politicians cower when our sorry NINE SUPREMES dictate that the State has no authority to protect itself from illegal alien invaders.

As long as THE NINE SUPREMES have 4 Socialist Judges, there will always be a high risk that some gullible Judge from the Majority will cross over to the dark side and continue the destruction of our US Constitution as the signature accomplishment of the US Welfare State. Traitor John Roberts’ support of Obama’care’ is the most horrific example.

Thus, it is incumbent upon those of us who still value the US Constitution to oppose the dark side, what we now call Obamanation.

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The purpose of passing a Federal “reform” immigration bill this year is to allow illegal alien invaders from Mexico, and other Central and South American Socialist Countries, to vote for Socialist-Democrats and appeasing RINOs in the 2014 and 2016 USA National Elections for more debt-generating welfare to future illegal alien invaders to become future Socialist-Democrat voters.

These future Socialist-Democrat voters should be called “McCain-Rubio Democrats,” as no other Senators have done more to encourage gullible RINOs to appease and otherwise cave-in to debt-dependent Democrats than these two sorry RINO Senators.

Stand your ground, FReepers! Raise the Gadsden Battle Flag!

It is us against the gullible supporters of Obamanation!

For example:

While Rubio and his Eight Senate Gangsters put out political smoke and mirrors to “get a bill passed this year,” nothing they have said will change the basic problem of aliens illegally invading the USA.

The Basic Problem: Illegal aliens invade the USA for Welfare and Wages.

Solutions that address the Basic Problem:

1.) End the Anchor Baby Law.

2.) End the Hospital Emergency Room No Payment Law (EMTALA).

3.) End ANY other Welfare to Aliens.

4.) Fine US employers $1,000 per day per employee who is an alien.

5.) Spend NO money on “securing the border.” It is a bottomless money pit.

6.) Spend money on Chainlink/ Concertina wire desert prisons for the EXISTING Federal Law for a mandatory 6 month imprisonment for repeat offenders who have invaded our Country more than once.

7.) Transfer Border Invasion Enforcement to the US National Guard in each State, and thus under the control of the Governor of each State. The less Federal involvement, the better.

8.) Repeal all State and Federal Laws that prohibit voter officials and Police from requesting proof of US Citizenship for any reason what so ever.

9.) Be as hostile to all illegal alien invaders as we should be to all Federal politicians and Federal Judges who vote for or support another Ted Kennedy-style amnesty bill with no significant Federal enforcement.

Contact your local TEA Party, and plan to kick the sorry RINOs and even sorrier Democrats out of Congress in 2014!

It is all about the money FReepers, YOUR tax money.


14 posted on 06/27/2013 2:09:23 PM PDT by Graewoulf (Traitor John Roberts' Commune-Style Obama'care' violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: Jane Long
The first thing you have to do is to disabuse people of the notion that your position on immigration has anything to do with race or ethnicity.

And let's ask What does the illegal immigrant think of us? Are they racists? What do they think of our laws, our language? Did I ever break a Mexican law?

15 posted on 06/27/2013 2:10:59 PM PDT by VRW Conspirator (The Lefties can drink Kool-Aid; I will drink Tea.)
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To: beaversmom

“Republicans have little to gain...”

Not those that will be paid off very nicely.


16 posted on 06/27/2013 2:11:03 PM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: beaversmom
It's so odd in a way that it has achieved this level of attention and involvement..."

The presstitutes using Alinsky tactics.

17 posted on 06/27/2013 2:11:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Who could have guessed that one day pro wrestling would be less fake than network news?)
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To: VRW Conspirator

Exactly. That’ the point Tanc’s making. Don’t let the left write your “story”. That’s what too many of the RINO’s do, they don’t push back against the flat out lies the left tells about us.


18 posted on 06/27/2013 2:12:44 PM PDT by Jane Long (While Marxists continue the fundamental transformation of the USA, progressive RINOs stay silent.)
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To: beaversmom

Thanks, beaversmom! :)


19 posted on 06/27/2013 2:14:40 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: woweeitsme

Their best play is “Immigration bill...WHAT Immigration bill?”.


Exactly!


20 posted on 06/27/2013 2:16:16 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: headstamp 2; beaversmom

headstamp 2 “Where is this national push?”

“From the OBL corporatists clamoring for cheap labor and the Democrat constituency lobby trying to finally drive a stake through the heart of the middle class.”

“You never let a serious crisis go to waste.
And what I mean by that it’s an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.” - Rahm Emanuel

“There are no easy answers, but there are simple answers.
We must have the courage to do what we know is morally right.” - Ronald Reagan (1964)


21 posted on 06/27/2013 2:18:44 PM PDT by Tilted Irish Kilt (“Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction.” - Ronald Reagan)
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To: laplata

:)


22 posted on 06/27/2013 2:18:50 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

As I read all of these articles, watch all the shows and listen to all the talk radio, there are some realities that most American’s refuse to accept or acknowledge, especially with this immigration bill.

The decisions are being made by people who will not be effected by any of it. Not one of them will ever have to compete with any of these newly minted citizens for a job, that is until they start running for office.

68 Senators showed that they could care less what the Border Patrol, the guys getting dirty doing the work, have to say.

Just take a look at those sellouts Rubio and Ryan, not going to bother bringing that sissy Graham in this. I don’t know their whole histories. Don’t care to, especially now as they turned their back on the people that have put them where they are. But, I’d be willing to bet that neither has ever seen the reality, on the street or in the desert, of these insane policies. Sure, they see financial spreadsheets, good for them. But, have them put on a vest, gun and get in car and work in the areas that are the most affected by this crap. Send them the check when an illegal goes to the ER and gets FREE medical care.

People dismiss guys like Arpaio. He and his deputies see it all, firsthand. 9 of LAPD’s, 10 most wanted are hispanic. Duuuuuuhhhhhhh!!!!!! Have Rubio and Ryan put on some raid gear, pick up rifle and go served the warrants on these guys and let them see what its really like. Not some super secure, tour thru a shitty neighborhood.

They all suck.


23 posted on 06/27/2013 2:18:58 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123
You wrote eloquently (I agree with all of it) and ended it perfectly with this:

They all suck.

LOL!!! Amen!

24 posted on 06/27/2013 2:23:33 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: beaversmom

Come on, they need to pass an amnesty bill so that all the 11 million illegals (more like 50 million+ **not sarc**) here can come out the shadows. **sarc**

You know, these same 11 million illegals who are in the shadows raping every social program out there.


25 posted on 06/27/2013 2:25:23 PM PDT by Kevin in California
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To: qaz123

Very well said.


26 posted on 06/27/2013 2:26:13 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it. Their minds have been stolen.)
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To: Kevin in California

May everyone who votes for this, become a victim of a home invasion at the hands of their illegal “friends.”


27 posted on 06/27/2013 2:26:21 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Kevin in California

Yeah, those phantoms always know how to snag up the freebies, that’s for sure!


28 posted on 06/27/2013 2:26:27 PM PDT by beaversmom
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To: qaz123

Exactly!
BTT!


29 posted on 06/27/2013 2:34:36 PM PDT by spankalib ("I freed a thousand slaves. I could have freed a thousand more if only they knew they were slaves.")
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To: dfwgator

Better yet, have their loved ones splattered by an illegal alien drunk driver.


30 posted on 06/27/2013 2:40:05 PM PDT by Trod Upon (Every penny given to film and TV media companies goes right into enemy coffers. Starve them out!)
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To: Trod Upon

That’ll work, too.


31 posted on 06/27/2013 2:40:24 PM PDT by dfwgator
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To: beaversmom

Who is Tancredo?

/s


32 posted on 06/27/2013 2:45:34 PM PDT by hadaclueonce (dont worry about Mexico, put the fence around kalifornia.)
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To: beaversmom

Tancredo has good ideas, but the people of CO nor the people of the USA give a hoot about what he says. They are determined to go down the abyss.


33 posted on 06/27/2013 2:54:06 PM PDT by Theodore R. ("Hey, the American people must all be crazy out there!")
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To: beaversmom

Tancredo is exactly right.

This man cares about America

No bill must come out of the House. call Congress.


34 posted on 06/27/2013 3:25:25 PM PDT by Democrat_media (IRS rigged election for Obama and democrats by shutting down tea party)
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To: Graewoulf

It is my admonition to conservatives that they pass nothing in the House ,including immigration or debt ceiling unless and until obama approves the keystone pipeline and ditched this unconstitutional war on coal. But Tancredo is right on “boo hoo” Boehner’s tricks. It’s all set up. No bills at all on immigration. Don’t send anything to conference. Tell your Congressman you are on to this obfuscation.


35 posted on 06/27/2013 5:43:39 PM PDT by SADMILLIE
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To: bestintxas
This one need to be dead for a long time to come.

Yeah. Like King Tut.

36 posted on 07/08/2013 4:45:58 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: Theodore R.
Tancredo has good ideas, but the people of CO nor the people of the USA give a hoot about what he says. They are determined to go down the abyss.

No, Colorado got rolled by a political machine manufactured with George Soros's money and a bunch of NGO zealots' time and energy.

Colorado is a conservative state, but for a long time the Denver media kept delivering the state 'Rat operators to statewide office (Gary Hart, for instance, and various New Mobe mobmeisters in the 70's).

Once Tancredo and other conservatives got organized, Soros went to work and ran his plan to "flip" Colorado from Republican back to Democrat again. Tancredo is trying to rectify that situation, but he'll be fighting Team Obama vote fraud to do it.

37 posted on 07/08/2013 4:49:47 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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