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Pennsylvania hospitals' ban on hiring smokers prompts debate
FOX News ^ | June 28, 2013 | Reuters

Posted on 06/30/2013 4:32:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

With just days to go before two of Philadelphia's most prestigious hospitals refuse to hire smokers, the ban has relit a debate about the wisdom of regulating workers' behavior away from the workplace.

Both the highly rated University of Pennsylvania Health System, which includes the Hospital of the University of Pennsylvania, as well as the Children's Hospital of Philadelphia, named by US News and World Report as America's top children's hospital this year, will join dozens of hospitals across the country when they implement their policy on Monday, July 1.

The move has generated criticism among civil liberties activists, hospital employees and even doctors who fear that smokers will lie about their habit - and therefore become less likely to seek help in stopping it.

"It's not all slopes that are slippery, but this one really is," said Lewis Maltby, a former American Civil Liberties Union lawyer who now runs the National Workrights Institute in Princeton, N.J. He is critical of an employer's intrusion into the private time of employees.

"What you do in your own home on your own time is none of your boss's business unless it affects your work," he said.

Maltby noted that drinking alcohol, eating lots of junk food and not exercising are also bad for you. "Virtually everything you do in your private life affects your health," he said, wondering what other kinds of hiring restrictions could come to pass.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: antitobaccoscam; discrimination; employment; healthnazis; hospitals; nannystate; philadelphia; scam; smokers; smokingbans; smokingiscool

1 posted on 06/30/2013 4:32:19 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Gabz

Ping-A-Ling!


2 posted on 06/30/2013 4:32:54 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: SheLion; Eric Blair 2084; -YYZ-; 31R1O; 383rr; AFreeBird; AGreatPer; Alamo-Girl; Alia; altura; ...

Corporate Employment Nazi Nanny State PING!


3 posted on 06/30/2013 4:33:40 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (I don't always vote, but when I do, I SURE AS HELL DON'T VOTE DEMOCRAT!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What about gays who might be carrying aids. Soooo beserk, no common sense anymore.


4 posted on 06/30/2013 4:39:41 PM PDT by easternsky
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I can’t support that.However,I could support an employer charging smokers more for health premiums,giving smokers fewer sick days...and maybe other things as well.


5 posted on 06/30/2013 4:40:17 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

The Miami PD just reversed it’s policy of not hiring smokers. It turns out that they had difficulty in hiring not only enough staff, but the most qualified as well.


6 posted on 06/30/2013 4:41:34 PM PDT by RobertClark (My shrink just killed himself - he blamed me in his note!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

As long as employment entails health benefits, especially if the employer is self-insured, what else can they do?


7 posted on 06/30/2013 4:48:22 PM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Our local hospital evicts patients for smoking. They used to have a smoking area but they closed that and made them go outside then they made them leave the property. Once they leave the property they become a voluntary check out and have to start the admittance process over.


8 posted on 06/30/2013 4:50:31 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Seems to me that the need for nicotine is an addiction, and those so addicted would be disabled.
If that is the case, then smokers should be covered by “The Americans with disabilities act”, and the employer should make reasonable accommodations for them to be able to smoke.


9 posted on 06/30/2013 4:55:41 PM PDT by Ed Condon (Give 'em a heading, an altitude, and a reason.)
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To: Ed Condon

What about my chocolate addiction? Does that apply? *SMIRK* (As if I’d take a dime...)


10 posted on 06/30/2013 4:58:00 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“What you do in your own home on your own time is none of your boss’s business unless it affects your work,” he said.

Hummm, this’ll be a tough one for the Libs.

Solution is easy, and already in practice in some States...Right to Work. It’s not the employees job. The employer is more than welcome to NOT hire smokers, as they are to NOT hire anyone they don’t wish.

Why would an employer hire a smoker, knowing they must supply ‘smoke breaks’ (anyone else get that benefit)? Already that’s, what, 30 min. of unproductive time? Let alone the proclivity for more health issues (paid time off).

Might as well hire a 7-month pregnant woman knowing she’s gonna download as soon as she’s through her training period; PLUS then having to hold the position in case she wants to come back into the workforce (how long is that lull?)...

Yeah, I can see why business don’t want to start in the U.S. anymore.


11 posted on 06/30/2013 5:02:03 PM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wait until they refuse to hire asmoker who also happens to be here because of amnesty.Boy,will it ever hit the fan then.


12 posted on 06/30/2013 5:04:18 PM PDT by Farmer Dean (stop worrying about what they want to do to you,start thinking about what you want to do to them)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“The move has generated criticism among civil liberties activists, hospital employees and even doctors who fear that smokers will lie about their habit “

And this is going on more than most people would imagine. Many of my friends lie about smoking when asked by anyone. I wont tell anyone in the Medi-Obama-Care cartel that I smoke, I have never told a single doctor I smoke, and would lie like a rug when it came to any job asking about it. Pee tests, go right ahead.. there are ways around that too. Go ahead nanny state, make me a liar lol I could care less anymore.


13 posted on 06/30/2013 5:24:48 PM PDT by eXe (Si vis pacem, para bellum)
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To: easternsky

What about gays...

Bone smokers are celebrated!


14 posted on 06/30/2013 5:53:34 PM PDT by outofsalt ("If History teaches us anything it's that history rarely teaches us anything")
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To: Gay State Conservative

So in your eyes, smokers are less American than non smokers. How hypocricital of you. Nice to see we have an increasing amount of leftest plants here on Free Republic.


15 posted on 06/30/2013 5:56:00 PM PDT by Necrovore (Lu"gen offenbahren Kontrolle)
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To: i_robot73

Let’s go down that road, shall we?

Overweight? Not worth hiring.

Drink booze? Not worth hiring.

Have past medical problems? Don’t bother applying.

Over 40? Don’t even bother.

Have any run in with the law? Even a traffic ticket? We don’t hire convicted criminals, period.

Perception is everything. The perception is that employer large and small are chomping at the bie to ram through amnesty, and kick the indigenous workforce to the curb. I say go ahead, make it happen, and then you have to as an employer, deal with the consequenses. When your unemployment insurance rates and tax rates go through the roof, to pay for all of those employees you kicked to the curb, no matter how productive they were, over the issue of the day, I won’t say you had it coming. The illegals you hire will be far worse than any native workforce you hire, because you’ll have to deal with the backlash, lost productivity, and worst of all putting yourselves in real physical jeapordy.

The profits at all cost crowd, and their modern day mexican slave drivers and outsourcing/offshoring firms are really pushing their luck.


16 posted on 06/30/2013 6:01:06 PM PDT by factoryrat (We are the producers, the creators. Grow it, mine it, build it.)
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To: i_robot73

So smokers, not corporate taxes and regulations are the reason businesses don’t want to start in the U.S. anymore. Who would have know?


17 posted on 06/30/2013 6:04:46 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Smokers have been paying higher premiums for ages.


18 posted on 06/30/2013 6:04:58 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Conspiracy Guy

“know” should have been “known”.


19 posted on 06/30/2013 6:05:59 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (To stay calm during these tumultuous times, I take Damitol. Ask your Doctor if it's right for you.)
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To: Necrovore
So in your eyes, smokers are less American than non smokers.

Nope.Try applying for life insurance and telling the company that you're a skydiver....or a race car driver.For that matter,try applying to a "civilian" life insurance company while a member of the US Armed Forces.In situations like that you'll either be denied a policy all together,will be charged a higher premium than otherwise or the policy they write will contain a specific clause denying benefits for deaths caused by skydiving...or car racing...or service in the Armed Forces.

20 posted on 06/30/2013 6:14:23 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Hospitals should ban hiring anyone that does not eat a government approved diet.


21 posted on 06/30/2013 6:18:47 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: Gay State Conservative

Smokers also pay a higher premium for life insurance.


22 posted on 06/30/2013 6:29:45 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Welcome to the new prohibition.


23 posted on 06/30/2013 6:35:20 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Gay State Conservative

I volunteer at a hospital. There’s an inner open ait atriem , which is reserved for smokers. Hospital employees have their job unit on their scrubs. It is just bizarre to see RESPIRATORY THERAPISTS puffing away madly..


24 posted on 06/30/2013 7:34:46 PM PDT by ken5050 (Due to all the WH scandals, MSNBC is changing its slogan from "Lean Forward" to "BOHICA")
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To: ken5050
It is just bizarre to see RESPIRATORY THERAPISTS puffing away madly..

I worked at a large hospital for 20 years.It had a no smoking policy and,as a result,you'd see a few folks outside...summer or winter...smoking away.But at my hospital almost none of *my* coworkers smoked...it was mainly the lower echelon workers who did.

25 posted on 06/30/2013 7:46:44 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (The Civil Servants Are No Longer Servants...Or Civil.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Thanks for the ping!


26 posted on 06/30/2013 7:50:37 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Gator113
Hospitals should ban hiring anyone that does not eat a government approved diet.

That's off the table now...
Obesity is now classified as a disease.

Not PC to differentiate weight ...don't even think about not hiring a 'diseased' obese person - that's discrimination.

27 posted on 06/30/2013 7:57:51 PM PDT by libertarian27 (FreeRepublic Cookbooks 2011 & 2012 - Click Profile)
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To: libertarian27

;>)


28 posted on 06/30/2013 8:15:38 PM PDT by Gator113 ( ~just keep livin~ I drink good wine, listen to good music and dream good dreams.)
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To: factoryrat

Great post. There are surely more we can add to the list of ‘do not hire’. It’s become a real challenge to figure out how all these pieces are supposed to fall together.


29 posted on 06/30/2013 8:48:53 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44 ('Hey citizen, what's in YOUR closet?')
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Smokers are under-represented, and deserve a DOJ Lawsuit to force more smokers to be hired (Affirmative Action for Smokers)

Also, Civil Rights Violation in that Smokers are being treated Un-Equally under the 14th Amendment, which is yet ANOTHER violation of their civil rights.

After all, we can't discriminate against Sex Deviates (fags and dykes), but yet we can discriminate against Smokers?

How "fair" is this?

30 posted on 06/30/2013 8:52:39 PM PDT by traditional1 (Amerika.....Providing public housing for the Mulatto Messiah)
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To: Gay State Conservative
But smokers die earlier so they don't require as much care as people who continue to drink booze.
Or people who take baths and fall down, or fall riding bicycles, etc.

So they all should be charged more according to your standards.
So after you dissect everyone's lifestyle, who gets charged less?

And then there's the people who smell third hand smoke, triple charge them!

31 posted on 06/30/2013 9:04:59 PM PDT by MaxMax (If you're not pissed off, you're not paying attention)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

and it began with , we are just going to put this little warning label on the package.


32 posted on 07/01/2013 4:31:04 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

http://www.slate.com/articles/arts/everyday_economics/2003/08/why_do_gays_smoke_so_much.html

What are they going to do with the sodomites?


33 posted on 07/01/2013 4:34:17 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple
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To: factoryrat; Conspiracy Guy

Unfortunately, there are too few business/entrepreneurs vs. low-info voters to tell gov’t to PISS OFF.

This is the same that will happen w/ O’Care; when all the employers dump their coverage for the exchanges. And I will smile with glee on what they have allowed to happen to themselves....poor bastards.

Not go down this path? We’ve been down this path for quite a few years....licenses, taxes, regulations, fines, EEOC, OSHA, etc. Yeah, benefits were their fault...gov’t compounded the problem w/ 3rd party pay, tax benefits for employer. Just look at the smoking/carry bans, like gov’t OWNED the business to make choices FOR them!

At least re: hiring, the employer/business has EVERY right to whom they wish, and why. I, on the other had, have the ability to (not) patronize said business as well.


34 posted on 07/01/2013 5:27:11 AM PDT by i_robot73 (We hold that all individuals have the Right to exercise sole dominion over their own lives - LP.org)
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To: Gay State Conservative

“,giving smokers fewer sick days.”

Huh? That makes absolutely no sense.

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35 posted on 07/01/2013 9:46:58 AM PDT by Mears
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To: cripplecreek
Our local hospital evicts patients for smoking.

Cool! I broke several ribs in several places in my upper back last August and could not escape from the hospital for love nor money.

Although I hope nothing like that ever happens again, now I know about a possible escape mechanism.

These people are Nazis.

36 posted on 07/01/2013 3:42:41 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: PeterPrinciple
What are they going to do with the sodomites?

Nothing.

That is a socially-acceptable vice.

37 posted on 07/01/2013 3:45:15 PM PDT by elkfersupper ( Member of the Original Defiant Class)
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To: elkfersupper

I remember when you could smoke in hospital rooms.

Last time I was in the hospital there was still a smoking area in the cafeteria area and I had a whole stable of smoking nurses who were more than happy to wheel me down for a smoke.


38 posted on 07/01/2013 3:46:49 PM PDT by cripplecreek (REMEMBER THE RIVER RAISIN!)
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To: PeterPrinciple

Some lifestyles are managed, some are allowed to thrive. There’s no logic to it as the homosexual lifestyle is as deadly as smoking.


39 posted on 07/02/2013 5:06:15 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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