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Day 17 (Week #4) Zimmerman Trial – Witness Discussion Thread
The Conservative Treehouse ^ | July 2, 2013 | Sundance

Posted on 07/02/2013 5:16:14 AM PDT by Uncle Chip

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To: XenaLee
That is a common thread lie that the left has been telling all along (that GZ was told not to get out of his truck or to follow TM...and by the police). And it is just one of MANY lies that the left has told for the past year. But the left is not bright enough to discern the difference between their lie and “We don’t need you to do that” (follow TM) told by a 911 operator/dispatch.

Which is all irrelevant anyway, since the 911 dispatcher does NOT have any authority to order or command a citizen to do anything!

141 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:12 AM PDT by meyer (When people fear the government, you have Tyranny)
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To: don-o

Since when can’t a 16 year police veteran and professional at discerning the truth from lies not express what he believes?????


142 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:18 AM PDT by traderrob6
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To: don-o

>> Judges told the jurors to disregard the fact that Serino believed GZ was truthful.

Is it just me, or is there something Orwellian about that whole exchange?


143 posted on 07/02/2013 6:34:34 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Toespi

I did not follow the argument on the case law submission. Suddenly West was talking about a witness that they failed to depose. Indeed, confusion.


144 posted on 07/02/2013 6:36:23 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Nervous Tick

In principle, it’s the witness encroaching on the province of the jury. Truth of a witness’ testimony is for the jury to decide, not for another witness to decide.


145 posted on 07/02/2013 6:36:33 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: RummyChick

So your hair is still on fire.


146 posted on 07/02/2013 6:36:56 AM PDT by Raycpa
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To: DCBryan1
Amazing the number of eBay entrepreneurs taking advantage of this trial...loads of 'Creepy Ass Cracker' t-shirts and bumper stickers out there...

...and the low-brow humor..?

'Where do white families like to go for breakfast'?

147 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:03 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Fawn
Try to act like mature adults....

Mature adults can withstand a little dissent and criticism. Only juvenile, immature folks get upset on public forums when they are dissed or disagreed with.

Just sayin....

Can we get back to the on-going trial proceedings now?

148 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:07 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: XenaLee

this ruling MAY benefit GZ in the end...

possible grounds for appeal

and how does it play with the Jury

They heard it and you can’t unring the bell

such as...

“I trust that cop..Bernie is obviously afraid of that testimony.”

It’s important that O”mara makes this witness sympathetic and believable to the jury...and thus the comment will ring in the back of their heads


149 posted on 07/02/2013 6:38:19 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Raycpa

Questioning RIGHT NOW SHOWS WHY THE TAPE IS A PROBLEM AND WHY O’MARA COULD NOT JUST SIT DOWN.

He had to fix THAT issue about the injuries.


150 posted on 07/02/2013 6:39:32 AM PDT by RummyChick
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To: Nervous Tick
-- Is it just me, or is there something Orwellian about that whole exchange? --

The legal system and process is premised on existence of probable cause, credible evidence that cuts in favor of a conviction. When that is absent, the system is put in a strange situation, like running your toaster on water. The rules don't work "right" anymore.

The systematic functions that are supposed to help defendant, that are supposed to force the state to prove its case, are being used to hurt defendant, and shift the burden to defendant to prove innocence.

151 posted on 07/02/2013 6:39:48 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: who knows what evil?

I want to open a restaurant just so I can have a menu item called the “Creepy *ss Cracker” —
it would be some type of Mexican/Laatin food served on White bread.


152 posted on 07/02/2013 6:40:39 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: Raycpa

My heavens. RC simply expressed an opinion as to what she saw as a plausible outcome. Give her a break, she has every right to express.


153 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:11 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Cboldt

>> Truth of a witness’ testimony is for the jury to decide, not for another witness to decide.

On the face of it, and in most cases, that makes perfect sense.

But what you have here could be framed as testimony from an “expert witness” whose specialty, and indeed part of whose job, is to assess the truthfulness of the defendant.

Is the jury to believe that his conclusion isn’t a valid part of that testimony? Or, as another poster asked, what if Serino’s conclusion was that Z was lying? Would *that* opinion be admissible? Because that’s clearly how the prosecution was seeking to use Serino’s testimony, to impeach Z’s credibility.

(I realize it’s water under the bridge though.)


154 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:26 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: Nervous Tick
"...why should his CONCLUSION not be admissable?"

I think we all know the answer to that. And it has nothing to do with justice or fairness, much less with the goal of ensuring a fair trial for Zimmerman.

155 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:34 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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To: commish

Laatin????? Hopefully my menu will have better spelling. LOL


156 posted on 07/02/2013 6:42:47 AM PDT by commish (The takers rule. Time to implement the triple G plan - GOD, GUNS, & GOLD)
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To: Nervous Tick

Bernie up to re-direct. Starts with a comment the he’s not going to ask opinions. MOM objects and is sustained.


157 posted on 07/02/2013 6:43:46 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory, and He will not be mocked! Blessed be the Name of the Lord forever!)
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O’Mara cross over as judge refuses to let him continue asking Serino about his investigation

Bernie up —


158 posted on 07/02/2013 6:43:56 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: commish

They always get away!


159 posted on 07/02/2013 6:43:59 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: meyer

Absolutely true.


160 posted on 07/02/2013 6:44:01 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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