Posted on 07/05/2013 7:10:43 PM PDT by Nachum
If Zimmerman had chased down Trayvon waving his gun and then shot him my opinion would be entirely different now. I don’t form my opinions because liberals hold them or dont though it does cause me to pause if they are too zealous in support of something because seldom do they want something badly without an ulterior motive.
I’ve said all along that if the prosecutors proved that Zimmerman initiated an attack of any kind on Trayvon then Zimmerman would deserve conviction. I’ve followed the prosecution and they have produced nothing that casts doubt on the core of Zimmerman’s story. The one person that saw the altercation has been consistent that it was Trayvon on top of Zimmerman. Also there is no evidence that Zimmerman had a history of being trigger happy or reckless with his weapon. Not one person has come forward claiming that Zimmerman pulled a gun on them as a part of neighborhood watch. So the case is pretty much open and shut. I hate that a 17 year old young man got shot and died but the evidence backs up Zimmerman and until there is something that shows that Zimmerman initiated the attack and then when things got out hand shot the teen then he should be acquited.
This would never even had went to trial had it not been for the media storm and that has surrounded this. Zimmerman clearly isn’t somekind of monster delighting in the killing of young black men. He was just a guy that found himself in a bad situation while trying to do good by his community. His mistake was not waiting for the cops but that isn’t what he is being charged with and unless you believe that its normal for teenagers to approach and then attack an adult when something is asked of them by an adult in the community then there isn’t much left to say.
What got Trayvon killed appears to have been his aggressive posture. Most kids would have high tailed it for home. He instead stopped and approached Zimmerman and then proceeded to attack him. There is no evidence Zimmerman had revealed the gun or attempted to use it to intimidate prior to that. The irony is if he had maybe it would’ve averted the incident but then again it may have not. Trayvon did not behave like a normal scared kid. He appears to have saw the smaller hispanic looking Zimmerman and decided to give him a beat down. The prosecution did not provide any better explaination of events.
So it leaves me with the question. This guy starts beating the crap out of you and then begins slamming your head into the sidewalk. Even if it didn’t result in life threatening injuries to Zimmerman its completely within reason that Zimmerman believed he was at risk of serious injury if he did not stop the situation. I know it wouldn’t take me too many blows to the concrete to do whatever it took to stop it. Also there is evidence that Zimmerman went out of his way not to fight back just as he said.
Its a horrible confluence of events and someone died but there is no reason to magnify this tragedy further by putting a man in prison who could not have anticipated nor desired what happenned that night. It is sickening to see some turn it into a race tit for tat war. There are no winners in this and those making it a racial/political thing should be taken to task if others riot because of their inflating of this story into something it never was.
I truly hope Trayvon’s parents are bigger in the end and call for calm at the end of this if it doesn’t end up with a conviction. They and their supporters should ask themselves is it worth more deaths?
When Rao called Zimmerman’s injuries “very insignificant”, I would have loved it if Mark O’Mara would have suggested that she volunteer to be either party in a live courtroom demonstration. Surely she wouldn’t mind either causing or incurring such an injury in front of the jury so that everyone could see for themselves just how very insignificant these injuries were.
If David is so smart and informed, why isn't he aware of the fact that Stand Your Ground was not invoked by the defense.
If somebody is attacking you, it's ordinary self-defense.
You have that right. He should try banging his head into concret. There is no such thing as a light blow. Some of the arguments I hear are just nonsense. What I still can’t wrap my head around is why a 17 year old kid who was fairly close to home simply didn’t run home like a normal teenager.
I believe he was "under the influence" of some substance. If he'd been stone cold sober, I bet he would have hightailed it out of there.
http://frontpagemag.com/2013/david-horowitz/is-the-zimmerman-case-really-open-and-shut/
It's by a brand new conservative! Welcome to sanity, Sasquatch!
Here is the full post. He has other posts at the link.
Sasquatch • 19 hours agoThis article, like so much of the coverage of this case, is incredibly fact-deficient. First off, let me personally dispel, or at least help dispel the notion that conservatives rushed to judgement on this case in the same fashion, but opposite direction as compared to liberals. I was a liberal when this case broke. It is precisely because of how incredibly fact-ignoring, judgement-rushing, and race-baiting my fellow liberals, and formerly trusted liberal news sources were toward this case, that I ended up ceasing to be one.
It is also not true to portray views on this case as though they are just six of one, half a dozen of the other... or that both sides are equally guilty of viewing it through their political prism. I spent about the first week knowing about this case as someone thinking Zimmerman was an obvious racist, and murdering monster. My perspective changed as a direct result of exposure to more FACTS and EVIDENCE from this case. Increased knowledge of the circumstances of that night, and of the relevant law... is directly connected to being a "pro-Zimmerman" person. The more ignorant and emotional a person is regarding the facts of this case, the more firmly they will support Trayvon. I've noticed white talking heads on TV about this case are jumping ship as more information comes out during trial... blacks are circling the wagons which has been the entire story of this case.
Let me now address a couple of the errors in this article, or possible errors:
1.) The bushes do exist, David. There are bushes alongside the houses in that dog walk area, and Zimmerman never expressed certainty that Trayvon had been using them to hide. If you look at the totality of his first few statements, all within 24 hours of the incident, it is clear that when he initially mentioned bushes, this was his attempt to make sense of where this person had come from. He at that time wasn't aware of the likelihood that Trayvon got home and came back to attack. He was called out to from behind, and turned to see Trayvon there. He was trying to make sense of how Trayvon had suddenly reappeared, and suggested the bushes as a possibility. Never did he say he was certain of it, and at the on scene walkthrough he made it clear it was merely the "darkness" that Trayvon had emerged from. So you're doubly wrong on this, bushes were there, and he wasn't firm on them anyway. It was him attempting to explain something to police.
2.) Hannity asked him "before this all happened,had you ever heard 'stand your ground'?" now this is where you'll need to pay close attention. "Stand your ground" is a nickname for a 2005 modification of self-defense law, castle doctrine. One can have taken a class that dealt with self-defense law, and not necessarily heard it referred to in that way. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I mostly just heard his professor talking about teaching self-defense law... if anything it seemed he was saying they didn't focus on state-specific law. But if they did cover SYG, it may have merely been in using the statue number. So, GZ may have merely meant he hadn't heard that phrase before. Which could be true.
3.) Zimmerman did not lie about bail money, though it can be argued his wife probably did. However, she offered during the bail hearing to get GZ's brother on the phone, who had the most up to date figures on the balance of the PayPal account. The prosecutor didn't take her up on that. Why would she offer to get the exact amount in the account for them if the goal was to hide the funds? Code talk about the funds on prison phone conversations may merely have been GZ not wanting fellow inmates to hear about the money. I will agree that it does seem the Zimmermans were a bit deceptive on this issue, but it's an unclear situation at best. I find it telling that the prosecutors didn't include the line about offering to get the up to date figure when they filed charges against her, but included the lines immediately before and after it.
4.) People assume GZ wouldn't have behaved the same without a gun but based on paying exhaustive attention to this case, and every bit of available information, I believe he would have. I believe he was 100% certain Trayvon would keep running until he was out of the gates. I don't think he entertained the idea they'd come into direct contact, at all. I also don't believe Trayvon was scared in any way, I believe he knew what capacity GZ was acting in and took out frustration at authority and consequences he'd been experiencing lately, on GZ. GZ was the last straw.
It’s hard to believe that this trial will be decided on the basis of the evidence.
The trial came about because a group of powerful black anti-white racists, including the Reverends Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson, went after George Zimmerman because of his whiteness in order to destroy him.
A similar trial took place in France around the beginning of the last century in which a group of powerful anti-Semitic French leaders concocted a case against an army captain because he was Jewish, not on the basis of evidence, and managed to destroy him.
Captain Dreyfus was supported by fair-minded Frenchmen, including prominent literary figures, because they knew the trial was not fair. Just as fair-minded Americans who are following the Zimmerman trial know that it is not fair either.
The fact that David Horowitz is on the side of the anti-white racists who set up this trial to destroy George Zimmerman because he is white is amazing. J’accuse!
No kidding.
It’s as though David picked up a two (or three or four) month old newspaper and built his column around the misinformation that was on display then.
He struck out so many times he could qualify as a Seattle Mariner... ;-)
Testosterone .... And an attitude.
I needz me sumb spect !!!
I am not sure what you mean. David Horowitz is not an attorney.
Might be getting confused with Alan Dershowitz, who *is* an attorney, and may take the case on appeal if necessary...
the infowarrior
You are right about his obvious lack of experience in the street.
I think you should read the book before you make that assessment. I read it. Horowitz has been intellectually courageous like few others in our time. That has nothing to do with being kind of a p*s*y in the man departament. That’s the result of his ethnic background and where he grew up.
So far, nothing has emerged to support the prosecution’s case.
I like and respect Horowitz, though he occasionally makes unfortunate statements off the top of his head. I hope he issues a retraction, or a clarification, or something.
Nothing wrong with the basic idea behind the piece. If conservative media have been hiding facts that tend to incriminate Zimmerman, it would be entirely appropriate for Horowitz to enumerate them. He hasn't done that. He just regurgitated an MSM lie about missing bushes and presented two questionable MSM speculations as facts.
Do better, David.
But just because a lynch mob has formed to condemn Zimmerman in advance of the facts, does not mean one must conclude that Zimmerman is innocent of Trayvon Martin’s death.
Michael Savage is an idiot and anyone who says that he is someone to respect... well I put them in the idiot column also.
This from a guy who used to bump bellies with the Black Panthers?
Come on...
Yes. "Radical Son" is required reading.
Ha! Not by a long shot. You can actually feel Eric Holder pulling the strings of this puppet "judge".
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