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777 Crash at SFO (San Francisco)
Twitter ^ | July 6, 2013

Posted on 07/06/2013 12:02:24 PM PDT by FreedomPoster

Currently just Tweets and locals talking about this, nothing on news sites yet. Lots of stuff in the Twitter feed, including links to uploaded videos of the smoking mess.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: 777; airlinecrash; asiana214; boeing; flight214; planecrash; sanfrancisco; sfo; southkorea
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To: csvset

Typically, the tower controller will issue a go around if the runway is fouled, (vehicle, aircraft, or other encroachments) but most are done by the pilot, seeing a fouled runway, or flying an unstable approach.

I opine that the skipper of this flight wished to show his prowess by making good a bad approach.


801 posted on 07/07/2013 10:03:47 AM PDT by SgtBob (Freedom is not for the faint of heart. Semper Fi!)
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To: Vendome; XHogPilot

If you look at an early port side photo the fuselage is intact(not burned)with heavy smoke coming from the starboard side. The smoke appears to be close to the location of the motor on the starboard.

In later pictures of the starboard side there is heavy charring of the fuselage next to the engine. The burn pattern does not match up very well when you look at the burning point from the engine. However you cant tell what structure is behind the skin of the fuselage as that might have effected the way the plane burned.

Your thoughts?


802 posted on 07/07/2013 11:09:09 AM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: staytrue

just heard that a few of the victims in the hospital are paralyzed..damn..just horrible..they must have gone head first onto the ceiling of the plane causing their spinal cords to snap


803 posted on 07/07/2013 12:05:27 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: Yosemitest

In your series of how many? Anecdotal evidence doesn’t cut it, but you are certainly entitled to your opinion.


804 posted on 07/07/2013 12:29:29 PM PDT by Mom MD (A million people attended Obamas inauguration. 14 of them actually missed work)
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To: Whenifhow; All

Hearing from a regional airline buddy who was deadheading through SFO when this happened that TSA and Customs were creating real problems for rescuers.

TSA not allowing rescue vehicles on the property till inspected, and Customs not letting the injured leave until they cleared them.

Anybody able to confirm this??


805 posted on 07/07/2013 1:12:59 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Well, it is what the Sheeple voted for....)
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To: All

Actual amateur video of crash:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Orw3rbj5MI


806 posted on 07/07/2013 1:35:13 PM PDT by elpinta (Jer. 10:23 - It really holds true!)
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Having flown hundreds of flights over the years as a passenger, I can unequivocally say that this crash was caused by a piss-poor landing.
807 posted on 07/07/2013 1:57:10 PM PDT by 2111USMC (Aim Small Miss Small)
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To: floralamiss

After all that discussion yesterday a newly video shows the fuselage at about a 45 degree angle to the ground during the groundloop (with one wing high). So, if you were at the right angle it might have appeared to be a cartwheel, even if not the case technically.

BTW, does anyone know if the missing engine (port or starboard) ever turned up?


808 posted on 07/07/2013 2:08:08 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: steve86

“So, if you were at the right angle it might have appeared to be a cartwheel, even if not the case technically.”

I agree. Puts some of the comments made in this thread to shame.


809 posted on 07/07/2013 2:23:36 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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To: steve86

Yes, the engine was on the opposite side of the runway. It was all tore up and hardly recognizable, there is a photo of it somewhere around.


810 posted on 07/07/2013 2:26:54 PM PDT by oxcart (Journalism [Sic])
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To: steve86

See post 791. My suspicion is that’s the starboard engine and the one close to the right side of the plane is actually the port engine, getting there when the plane did the ground loop.


811 posted on 07/07/2013 2:30:20 PM PDT by NonValueAdded (Unindicted Co-conspirators: The Mainstream Media)
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To: steve86

Well, people were trying to understand what happened. AND, I now know what a “horizontal ground loop” is. :-) My late father would be impressed.

It is amazing to watch such a tremendous ship go out of control like that. A fearful sight, I am amazed more passengers weren’t killed.


812 posted on 07/07/2013 2:30:53 PM PDT by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: Sarah Barracuda

“they must have gone head first onto the ceiling of the plane causing their spinal cords to snap”

Same thing can happen if subjected to spinal compression, which is probably what happened when they hit the wall and then got slammed down hard.


813 posted on 07/07/2013 2:33:26 PM PDT by CodeToad (Liberals are bloodsucking ticks. We need to light the matchstick to burn them off. -786 +969)
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To: steve86
Yes. Across the runway.


814 posted on 07/07/2013 2:41:09 PM PDT by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: floralamiss
Usually pilots refer to a "ground loop" -- without the horizontal -- I just added that word as clarification.

"In aviation, a ground loop is a rapid rotation of a fixed-wing aircraft in the horizontal plane while on the ground"

Ground loops were quite common during primary flight training during landing attempts in "taildragger" light planes -- ones that have a tailwheel and no steerable nosewheel. Often no damage was done if the wingtip did not contact the ground.


815 posted on 07/07/2013 2:41:56 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
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To: JRWinIslamorada; Hillarys Gate Cult

I’m guessing that is the starboard engine.

It went right of the runway, and the port engine went left.

As the aircraft spun around (top view, counter-clockwise), the aircraft came to a rest up against the port engine, now on the aircraft’s starboard (fuselage) side.


816 posted on 07/07/2013 2:43:55 PM PDT by First_Salute (May God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: steve86

Thanks! That’s a very cool picture, by the way. I wonder which airbase it is That hanger is an odd shape.


817 posted on 07/07/2013 2:51:06 PM PDT by floralamiss ("For the sake of His sorrowful passion, have mercy on us and on the whole world.")
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To: FreedomPoster

Wife says Shanghai TV claims one victim in water?


818 posted on 07/07/2013 3:26:01 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Rockitz

Hadn’t seen that one.


819 posted on 07/07/2013 5:02:42 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: American Constitutionalist
I am not sure but correct me if I am wrong but I think GE now has the exclusive to build those engines for the 777 now. When the 777 was first developed and built it was P&W.

Unless the procedure has changed, the builder doesn't spec the engines. They just build the airframe and install whatever engines the customer specs. So the only way one or other engine mfgr would have an "exclusive" is if they were the only one offering an engine of the proper size and type.

820 posted on 07/07/2013 5:03:02 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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