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Concealed-carry legal in Illinois after Senate joins House in blocking Quinn’s amendatory veto
Chicago Sun Times ^ | 7/9/13 | Dave McKinney

Posted on 07/09/2013 4:56:54 PM PDT by umgud

SPRINGFIELD-Illinois joined 49 other states Tuesday by approving legislation allowing gun owners to carry their weapons in public places, overriding Gov. Pat Quinn and dealing the governor a resounding defeat.

The Senate put the finishing touches on the override push, voting 41-17 to reject a series of changes Quinn had recommended to the concealed-carry legislation that passed in May. The Senate’s action followed a 77-31 vote by the House earlier Tuesday.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: banglist; bitchslap; ccw; guncontrol; illinois; override; patquinn; pistolwhipped; secondamendment
Looks like IL just went shall-issue CCW. Somehow, I have to believe Chicago will find a way to thwart this. I hope not.
1 posted on 07/09/2013 4:56:54 PM PDT by umgud
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To: umgud

Illinois joined 49 other states? Only 7 more to go!


2 posted on 07/09/2013 5:02:21 PM PDT by Piranha (We laugh at honor and are shocked to find traitors in our midst.)
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To: umgud

This vote has got to be ringing alarms all over. Is the Dem hold on this issue getting loose. You bet it is and local politicians recognize it. They want to be re-elected.


3 posted on 07/09/2013 5:02:57 PM PDT by batterycommander (a little more rubble, a lot less trouble)
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To: batterycommander

just in time for the trayvon riots. lots of IL people will be able to defend themselves with more legal standing when the riots start up, especially in chicago.


4 posted on 07/09/2013 5:07:02 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: batterycommander

and it’s a safe vote for them. ccw folks are the safest group of gun owners out there.


5 posted on 07/09/2013 5:07:56 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: umgud

Must be raining blood.

Are those trumpets I hear?


6 posted on 07/09/2013 5:20:33 PM PDT by West Texas Chuck (Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. That should be a convenience store, not a Government Agency.)
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To: umgud

Blood in the streets I tell ya!/sarc

(Actually the only blood running is in Chicago where the most stringent gun laws are)


7 posted on 07/09/2013 5:21:31 PM PDT by Red in Blue PA (When Injustice becomes Law, Resistance Becomes Duty.-Thomas Jefferson)
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To: umgud

The ruling elites will have to make some attitude adjustments. It will take some time before police management stops its overt hostility to private firearms ownership.


8 posted on 07/09/2013 5:39:37 PM PDT by theBuckwheat
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9 posted on 07/09/2013 5:46:14 PM PDT by RedMDer (When immigrants cannot or will not assimilate, its really just an invasion. Throw them out!)
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To: umgud

Now if we could just loosen up the CCW and OC standards in California... as it is, if one doesn’t have a Constitutional sheriff, there is just no way.


10 posted on 07/09/2013 5:58:29 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: umgud

Representatives of the Democratic [sic] party in Chicago weep real tears.


11 posted on 07/09/2013 6:05:09 PM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Carry_Okie
Now if we could just loosen up the CCW and OC standards in California... as it is, if one doesn’t have a Constitutional sheriff, there is just no way.

I am in Kern County (CA) and it is pretty close to shall-issue here. Our sheriffs campaign at our local gun clubs and gun show. If they aren't pro-CCW, they don't get elected.

12 posted on 07/09/2013 6:18:15 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud; martin_fierro
I am in Kern County (CA) and it is pretty close to shall-issue here... If they aren't pro-CCW, they don't get elected.

I'm in the County of Santa Cruz. Need I say more?

13 posted on 07/09/2013 6:23:18 PM PDT by Carry_Okie (The environment is too complex and too important to be managed by central planning.)
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To: umgud

I thought that if they didn’t pass it on a certain date, they would be mandated to have constitutional carry.


14 posted on 07/09/2013 6:28:58 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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I thought that if they didn’t pass it on a certain date, they would be mandated to have constitutional carry.

They did pass it, the guv vetoed it and today their congress over-rode the veto and it is thus law. I haven't read it yet, but suspect it probably has some glitches.

15 posted on 07/09/2013 6:42:09 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: umgud

AH! Got it.
Thank you.


16 posted on 07/09/2013 6:52:12 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (IRS = Internal Revenge Service)
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To: West Texas Chuck
"Must be raining blood.

Are those trumpets I hear?"


17 posted on 07/09/2013 7:01:12 PM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: umgud
I have a real problem having to pay $150 for a five year permit to protect myself from the gang-banking thugs in Chicago ....

F'em. I'll have a Utah Conceal/Carry permit shortly (good in Illinois) and they can shove their $150 fee to exercise my Second Amendment rights, right up their political asses.

18 posted on 07/09/2013 7:28:41 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: usconservative

Are you saying that there is something in this new law about reciprocity?


19 posted on 07/09/2013 7:32:56 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: usconservative
Just found this snippet......

Speaking of non residents, they as of right now get to carry a loaded handgun in a car. Not Illinois residents though, not even with a non resident permit. This law was very careful to discriminate against us Illinois folks.

20 posted on 07/09/2013 7:43:44 PM PDT by umgud (2A can't survive dem majorities)
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To: usconservative

I know. I’m very glad we are able to bear arms now however it is still out of reach for many. I guess the only ones with their constitutional right here are those with some money to burn. I mean, it’s the principle of the thing. Maybe it’s in line with other states for all I know but it doesn’t seem like it should cost over a hundred bucks just to file a form with the state.


21 posted on 07/09/2013 11:00:08 PM PDT by kelly4c (http://www.freerepublic.com/perl/post?id=2900389%2C41#help)
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Maybe it’s in line with other states for all I know but it doesn’t seem like it should cost over a hundred bucks just to file a form with the state.

If it's CCW it'll probably be more than that. In Missouri it's $75-$100 to take the CCW class, $100 to the county sheriff for his services and $5.50-$20.00 to register with the DVM.

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22 posted on 07/10/2013 10:10:56 AM PDT by JCG
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To: umgud
Right, and the fact that the law treats Illinois citizens differently than non-Illinois citizens in our own state is a violation of the Equal Protection provision in the U.S. Constitution.

I went on record early as saying this "law" is a sham, and needs to be appealed all the way up to the USSC and have it over-turned which would then (I think..) result in Illinois becoming a CONSTITUTIONAL carry state, which is my personal preference.

23 posted on 07/10/2013 6:28:03 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: kelly4c
I know. I’m very glad we are able to bear arms now however it is still out of reach for many.

Hate to break the news to you, but what the Illinois Legislature passed is NOT a Conceal/Carry law. You CAN NOT carry a loaded weapon on your person under the new law.

It's more a "fanny pack" law than anything else. You can carry an UN-LOADED weapon on your person only. The way the law is written and as I've read, you can carry a weapon in a fanny pack or holster but it cannot be loaded. You can simultaneously carry a magazine or speedloader on your person but the two must be separate.

This means when you're getting robbed, mugged or raped, you'll need to ask the criminal to "please stop" while you load your weapon.

It's flat out ridiculous in that regard and IMO will get over-turned once appealed up to the USSC. That was the Illinois dumb-ass politicians (D's and R's alike) intention in the first place. Anything to delay implementation in their book!

24 posted on 07/10/2013 6:32:06 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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Probably the best link on the subject of Illinois "Conceal/Carry" law that I've found is right Here. From the source:

The Concealed carry portion of the law is horrid. Written by the Chicago anti civil rights bunch and full of delays and traps and criminal penalties to Illinois License to Carry holders. In fact, it will be a year before the first license is issued. I'll leave my discussion of that horrid discriminatory part of the bill for later.

What else is in the bill? Well, state wide pre-emption and the revocation of ALL local ordinances concerning "handguns". Gone are magazine limits, and unconstitutional "transport" restrictions from dozens of Home Rule Communities. No more Chicago transport laws about "broken down" or "ammunition" separate. One law state wide. It's Fanny Pack Day! All you need is a FOID card or be a non resident.

Speaking of non residents, they as of right now get to carry a loaded handgun in a car. Not Illinois residents though, not even with a non resident permit. This law was very careful to discriminate against us Illinois folks.

However, if you have a concealed carry permit from ANY state, OR if you are either 18 or 21 without any permit or background check or anything from the following states:

AK,WA,OR,CA,ID,NV,AZ,NM,WY,CO,SD,NE,KS,MO,WI,MI,KY ,LA,AL,MS,OH,WV,PA,DE,NH,ME,VA,NC, or VT.

Then, you can drive or ride around Chicago or anywhere in the state with your loaded Glock and 30 round magazine AND you don't have to inform the cops when you are stopped.

No Illinois residents though. It's for the children.

What is left for Illinois residents, today, right now, is commonly referred to as "Container Transport" or "Fanny Pack Carry". It means having a FOID card (Illinois residents only) and transporting your firearm "Unloaded and enclosed in a case". Ammo is not regulated and you can have loaded magazines or speed loaders in the same case or in your pocket, or in an ammo pouch on your belt. Everywhere in Illinois! Also, there are different prohibited places for "Transport" than for concealed carry ; license holders. Places prohibited like public transportation or neighborhood festvals for concealed carry are perfectly fine to "Container Transport". Research these yourself.

So, a bad concealed carry laws passes, but a great Container Transport one does at the same time.

While transport of an unloaded firearm in a fannypack may not be optimum, it is far from useless either. This seems to be a little known feature of the new law.

As I've said: this law as written is a direct violation of the EQUAL PROTECTION clause of the United States Constitution. It treats Illinois residents differently under the law than residents visiting Illinois from other states who have conceal-carry permits from their home states.

I fully expect that once wind of that violation is caught by the NRA or other interested parties in Illinois, an appeal will be forthcoming and I expect this poorly written law designed to discriminate against the residents of this state will be shot down (no pun intended) by the USSC, or hopefully the Appeals Court first.

25 posted on 07/10/2013 6:43:46 PM PDT by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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